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[SimonTheFrog]

Apart from the fact that the Cerberus logo is really funny because Cerberus is a known terrorist organization, i really think that Miranda and others are proof that bulky plates are not a requirement.



I liked the slim diver suits from ME1 for my girls and for biotics. Just saying...



As long as i can turn the armor to bright pink its fine with me, though.

[cutthecameras]

I'm glad no one agrees with the OP yet. Just saying. Fem Shep's voice is great, and her attitude is that of a strong woman. Typical that her bad ass attitude and tough demeanor subject her to getting accused of being "manly".



I've never seen a female character handled this way and I doubt I ever will but I applaud Bioware for making fem shep a true equal to male shep. Hold the double standards.

[Lightice_av]

I've never seen a female character handled this way and I doubt I ever will but I applaud Bioware for making fem shep a true equal to male shep. Hold the double standards.

See Ridley Scott's Alien. I've repeated this many times, but I can't emphasize enough how much FemShep reminds me of Ellen Ripley - and I like both characters very much. It has something to do with being originally written as gender-neutral, I wager.

Apart from the fact that the Cerberus logo is really funny because Cerberus is a known terrorist organization

Some have theorized that this logo is actually one of Cerberus' cover company's, and only those who are in the know recognise its associaton with the organization.

[Edgar1729]

I don't think the "Males versus Females traits" is relevant in Shepard case.



She/He is just one of the finest fighter and exceptionnal leader in the galaxy (and in the story of video game I dare say).

[Jalem001]

Okay so I'm cheating with unavailable armour..

That armor is way bulkier then the stuff in ME1. ME1 looked like it was basically some sort of plastic wrapped over you with a chest piece or maybe shoulder. This armor looks like its a much thicker material and is clearly layered at certain points (Abdomen, Neck)

Biotics, being used to having their abilities to do the work for them may not always have the necesarry strength to deal with heavy armour, even if the armour itself is probably powered and helps with movement some.

Valid, though I doubt anyone using biotics in the military is at all physically weak I can see (and agree with) the argument that a biotic might get away with the armor just out of personal preference because he's not AS physically capable to handle the load as a normal marine.

[Schroing]

SimonTheFrog wrote...

Apart from the fact that the Cerberus logo is really funny because Cerberus is a known terrorist organization, i really think that Miranda and others are proof that bulky plates are not a requirement.

That's because in a fantasy setting, boobage makes anything possible.

[UnknownVisitor]

I think the voice is fine.  It has enough of an edge to command authority which is something any leader should have regardless of gender. 
The way that the armor is more practical than stylish is one of the things I like about it.  For once the military issue armor is the same for all genders.  The armor is more realistic b/c in reality the military wouldn't make two drastically different armors.  They'd try and make one that could be minimally modified, if at all.  One of the best parts of ME is how it tries to stay realistic and believable.  That's one of the things that makes the game more immersive to me, its realism. 

Now granted Shepard is working with Cerberus, who seem to have added a lot of luxuries, so I will admit that more aesetically pleasing armors would make sense if they were in the game.  But I don't think they need to be.

[Sharn01]

cutthecameras wrote...

I'm glad no one agrees with the OP yet. Just saying. Fem Shep's voice is great, and her attitude is that of a strong woman. Typical that her bad ass attitude and tough demeanor subject her to getting accused of being "manly".

I've never seen a female character handled this way and I doubt I ever will but I applaud Bioware for making fem shep a true equal to male shep. Hold the double standards.

Mass Effect is probably the first game I ever played where a female lead was completely believable and why I enjoy playing one so much.  Dragon Age had a few origin's that fit a female well, and other's that did not, Kotor did a pretty good job, but they slipped in a lot of places during the game.  Mass Effect got it completely right.

[Tyreal42a]

It fits the character. This isn't a Japanese RPG where a teenage girl in a school uniform who sounds like they would cry if they broke a nail, has the physique of someone who looks as if they would be blown away by a light breeze and can magically lift a sword twice her size goes to save the galaxy.



Besides, I like to imagine in the future, our concepts of what is masculine and what isn't will have changed, if not considered outdated and irrelevant.

[The Angry One]

Jalem001 wrote...

Okay so I'm cheating with unavailable armour..

That armor is way bulkier then the stuff in ME1. ME1 looked like it was basically some sort of plastic wrapped over you with a chest piece or maybe shoulder. This armor looks like its a much thicker material and is clearly layered at certain points (Abdomen, Neck)

Well that is from ME1, it's what I usually use.
It's just not available other than through the console because BioWare in their infinite wisdom made a metric ton of cool stuff and never implemented it. Maybe it was held for DLC that never came or something.

[Jalem001]

The Angry One wrote...

Jalem001 wrote...

Example:  Males are far more direct thinkers.  Females tend to be more circular thinkers.  This makes females better at positions where have time to consider all possible angles, while it makes males better in positions where they have to make a decision in the moment.

Physical Aggression and Strength are two male associated things as well.  Confidence is not a trait I would associate with either gender.

Again, that's mostly due to upbringing and training. I don't really consider any of those traits as masculine or feminine.

I would argue that your position is one due to training.  Modern day political corectness makes it virtually sexist to point out anything other then physical differences in the genders for fear that difference equals inequality.  However that more implies that the person who is offended simply doesn't value the traits in question as equal imo.

[TrueHD]

That actually makes sense---though things would obviously get around, and the logo would certainly be connected to Cerberus in no time.



With all this armor talk, I suddenly realized that I have no idea why you even start the game in N7 armor.

[Jalem001]

The Angry One wrote...

Jalem001 wrote...

Okay so I'm cheating with unavailable armour..

That armor is way bulkier then the stuff in ME1. ME1 looked like it was basically some sort of plastic wrapped over you with a chest piece or maybe shoulder. This armor looks like its a much thicker material and is clearly layered at certain points (Abdomen, Neck)

Well that is from ME1, it's what I usually use.
It's just not available other than through the console because BioWare in their infinite wisdom made a metric ton of cool stuff and never implemented it. Maybe it was held for DLC that never came or something.

Should of paid more attention to Garrus xD.

Also:  Game looks much better on PC then it does on Xbox >.>.  So..damn.

[Schroing]

Jalem001 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Jalem001 wrote...

Example:  Males are far more direct thinkers.  Females tend to be more circular thinkers.  This makes females better at positions where have time to consider all possible angles, while it makes males better in positions where they have to make a decision in the moment.

Physical Aggression and Strength are two male associated things as well.  Confidence is not a trait I would associate with either gender.

Again, that's mostly due to upbringing and training. I don't really consider any of those traits as masculine or feminine.

I would argue that your position is one due to training.  Modern day political corectness makes it virtually sexist to point out anything other then physical differences in the genders for fear that difference equals inequality.  However that more implies that the person who is offended simply doesn't value the traits in question as equal imo.

There are plenty of biological differences between males and females, but so far you've only named one. And it wasn't one that supported your argument.

[Schroing]

Goddamned laggy forum.

Modifié par Schroing, 24 février 2010 - 01:15 .

[corebit]

FemShep's voice is perfect. I wouldn't have it any other way.

[The Angry One]

Jalem001 wrote...

I would argue that your position is one due to training.  Modern day political corectness makes it virtually sexist to point out anything other then physical differences in the genders for fear that difference equals inequality.  However that more implies that the person who is offended simply doesn't value the traits in question as equal imo.

I agree that difference in gender is more than just physical, however the traits to be a soldier can be found in both genders, and that Shep, as someone who's been made strong and determined through life experience and training is totally suited to the role, male or female.

[rolltide123]

cutthecameras wrote...

I'm glad no one agrees with the OP yet. Just saying. Fem Shep's voice is great, and her attitude is that of a strong woman. Typical that her bad ass attitude and tough demeanor subject her to getting accused of being "manly".

I've never seen a female character handled this way and I doubt I ever will but I applaud Bioware for making fem shep a true equal to male shep. Hold the double standards.

Let me  clarify I love her bad ass attitiude, tough demeanor, confidence, ect.
I do not like her voice: it was not what I was expecting. You can be bad ass and have a high voice.
I know it was dumb to think of what she should sound like while I made but I did.
In my opinion the voice is just way to deep. 
That's probaly because I've never played a fully voiced rpg and since I always make a character that looks like me (or how I wish I looked (: )
So in my head  it was my voice or a higher voice ( I Know Stupid)
and the deepness just bugges me

Modifié par rolltide123, 24 février 2010 - 01:21 .

[DeadRed1488]

Great to see there's so much hate toward the OP for expressing the opinion that masculine women isn't to their taste. I'm inclined to agree with him. Has nothing to do with sexism, and it's ridiculous that the word sexism has even been brought up. Its just a personal opinion. You can try and argue all day that femshep's traits aren't masculine, but not many people will agree with you.

Modifié par DeadRed1488, 24 février 2010 - 01:19 .

[Wakara Pezi]

Sharn01 wrote...

FemSHep is fine, and she is in no way to masculine, she is a tough woman and that is all.

I really have no idea what you are asking for, and femShep can not win with a lot of people no matter how they potray her, there are already people who like you who think she is to masculine, and other's who think she is not potrayed tough enough to pull off the job believably.

As to the armor, the armor for femshep is fine except for the chestplate, it should be about the same but across the breast's be a solid piece instead of indneting in to shape around her breast's.

I agree with you!

[Schroing]

DeadRed1488 wrote...

Great to see there's so much hate toward the OP for expressing the opinion that masculine women aren't to his taste. I'm inclined to agree with him. Has nothing to do with sexism, and it's ridiculous that the word sexism has even been brought up. Its just a personal opinion. You can try and argue all day that femshep's traits aren't masculine, but not many people will agree with you.

The fact that you're labeling them as masculine traits is what's being called as sexist.
Because...it is.

[syllogi]

Israeli citizens must complete two years of military service when they turn eighteen, whether they are male or female. Here's a gallery of pictures of female Israeli soldiers, do they look "masculine" or less feminine simply because they're soldiers?



http://www.rachelpap...7131/thumb.html

[Tyreal42a]

Maybe FemShep should have an option to go into battle wearing a dress.



Besides, if Kaidan and even ManShep can get away with wearing pink armour, FemShep can get away with a little perceived manliness.

[The Angry One]

People say Hale's voice is too deep in this one. I don't get it myself, she sounds perfectly fine to me given the role and it's history.
Maybe some need to turn down their bass.

DeadRed1488 wrote...

Great to see there's so much hate toward the OP for expressing the opinion that masculine women aren't to his taste. I'm inclined to agree with him. Has nothing to do with sexism, and it's ridiculous that the word sexism has even been brought up. Its just a personal opinion. You can try and argue all day that femshep's traits aren't masculine, but not many people will agree with you.

Actually many do, if you'd bothered to read the topic you'd know why.

[DeadRed1488]

Schroing wrote...

DeadRed1488 wrote...

Great to see there's so much hate toward the OP for expressing the opinion that masculine women aren't to his taste. I'm inclined to agree with him. Has nothing to do with sexism, and it's ridiculous that the word sexism has even been brought up. Its just a personal opinion. You can try and argue all day that femshep's traits aren't masculine, but not many people will agree with you.

The fact that you're labeling them as masculine traits is what's being called as sexist.
Because...it is.

The idea of sexism is a joke, women and men are different, people need to deal with it.