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[corebit]

WARNING: HEAVY SPOILERS AHEAD. DO NOT READ IF YOU HAVEN'T COMPLETED THE GAME.

I just had this wild theory in my head. I believe the Mass Effect series will culminate with a dark plot twist: Shepard will turn to the dark side and ultimately join the Reapers. Let me explain how.

There was a thread here not too long ago saying that Shepard is already becoming another Saren. In order to resurrect Shepard, Cerberus had to use cybernetic implants. During the course of the game you can research a lot of Shepard's personal upgrades, so by the end of ME2 he/she is already half-machine/half-human. You are a rogue Spectre working for a terrorist organization and you have armies of Geth, Krogan, and even Rachni at your disposal. I'll take another step further and say that Shepard is on his/her way to becoming the perfect agent and weapon for the Reapers.

I found it weird that while every organic species who have come in contact with a Reaper suffered the effects of indoctrination, Shepard & crew were apparently immune. Perhaps Shepard is also suffering from indoctrination but at very subtle levels. Remember Saren? He said that as indoctrination becomes stronger, the subject becomes more mindless and useless. That's why Sovereign let Saren retain most of his free will. Shepard has encountered not ONE, but TWO reapers by the end of ME2 (Sovereign + derelict Reaper). A normal human would have already become a mindless husk, but Shepard is largely untouched. Maybe the Reapers have a plan for him/her...

Maybe at the start of ME3 we will see Shepard's sanity erode by the indoctrination. To further push that point the writers could add that Shepard's love interest is accidently killed or disappeared by the Citadel species. This becomes the last straw, and at that moment Shepard loses his/her mind completely and all traces of humanity. Shepard puts the blame on all organics, and decides to take revenge by manually opening the Citadel's relay (normally only a Reaper can do that, but Shepard has gathered enough knowledge during his/her travels, perhaps obtained from the derelict Reaper or from the Collector base).

And the Reapers finally win not with Geth armies nor Collector armies, but through the man that was once considered to be the Galaxy's savior. A very dark and ironic ending.

[Vaenier]

Well, I have a ship that is part reaper, cybernetic implants, an army of geth, an army of krogan, and army of rachni...

Ya, Shep will join the reapers

[screwoffreg]

lol that's what my fanfic says. Bioware, stop stealing my ideas!!

[Suron]

sorry but your theory is not just stupid..but epic-stupid.....I don't even see how you could possibly come close to this "theory."



join the reapers? seriously? you really think 1. it's in any stretch of the imagination a good idea or 2. BioWare will end the trilogy in such a way? a way that totally ruins the universe they've created..



sorry but as I said..this "theory" is really stupid

[Doomhams]

Incoming message to council "I saved your asses and all you could say was 'Ah, reapers...'" Enter giant shepherd reapers. "HERE'S YOUR REAPER! DO YOU BELIEVE ME NOW ****S!?"

[Wild Still]

screwoffreg wrote...

lol that's what my fanfic says. Bioware, stop stealing my ideas!!

Is that the one where Captain Kirk is a chinchilla?

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

Well, i don't know about you, but i am going to kick the Reapers right in their giant cybernetic nuts. Its up to me to decide whether to work with the reapers or not, not Shepard. If i screw up and accidentally screw over all organics i'm going to say "whoops" and start over, simple as that.

[corebit]

Suron wrote...

sorry but your theory is not just stupid..but epic-stupid.....I don't even see how you could possibly come close to this "theory."

join the reapers? seriously? you really think 1. it's in any stretch of the imagination a good idea or 2. BioWare will end the trilogy in such a way? a way that totally ruins the universe they've created..

sorry but as I said..this "theory" is really stupid

Why is it stupid? Not every ending needs to be a happy one. This would be the perfect opportunity for Bioware to have a dark ending that is also quite fitting. Saving the galaxy is so cliche.

[Hejhej1234]

Shepard being sublty indoctrinated is very likely. Almost a crime of the writers not to include this twist. It's a brilliant execution, the player actively being indoctrinated through the series without even knowing it, but seeing the big picture in the third installment makes it obvious.

I doubt the series as a whole will have a dark ending though. More like an interesting plot-twist.
Multiple ending will be available no doubt.

Modifié par Hejhej1234, 24 février 2010 - 02:52 .

[Blansten]

Not every ending needs to be happy but the build up towards this end doesn't really point to your theory either. Maybe the Renegade ending will resemble what you describe but I would imagine there will also be a Paragon ending that has Shep saving the galaxy and getting the girl/guy.

[BatarianBob]

corebit wrote...

I found it weird that while every organic species who have come in contact with a Reaper suffered the effects of indoctrination, Shepard & crew were apparently immune.

Go back and play ME1 again.  Pay particularly close attention to Shiala or Benezia and how they say that indoctrination takes days or weeks.  Then play the rest of the game and ME2 and pay attention to how all of Shepard's encounters with Reapers have been of the "go in, blow sh*t up, get back in time for dinner" variety.

Hopefully it'll seem a little less weird at that point.

[DeadlyParasite]

corebit wrote...

Suron wrote...

sorry but your theory is not just stupid..but epic-stupid.....I don't even see how you could possibly come close to this "theory."

join the reapers? seriously? you really think 1. it's in any stretch of the imagination a good idea or 2. BioWare will end the trilogy in such a way? a way that totally ruins the universe they've created..

sorry but as I said..this "theory" is really stupid

Why is it stupid? Not every ending needs to be a happy one. This would be the perfect opportunity for Bioware to have a dark ending that is also quite fitting. Saving the galaxy is so cliche.

You'd be right, if it wasn't for the fact that EA and BioWare have come out and stated that more games in the Mass Effect series could and probably will be made.

Your theory conflicts with their considerations.

[Daewan]

Taranatar9 wrote...

corebit wrote...

I found it weird that while every organic species who have come in contact with a Reaper suffered the effects of indoctrination, Shepard & crew were apparently immune.

Go back and play ME1 again.  Pay particularly close attention to Shiala or Benezia and how they say that indoctrination takes days or weeks.  Then play the rest of the game and ME2 and pay attention to how all of Shepard's encounters with Reapers have been of the "go in, blow sh*t up, get back in time for dinner" variety.

Hopefully it'll seem a little less weird at that point.

Shepard appears to be immune, but that might be because of the Prothean beacon.  Note that Kaidan can hear something from the relay sculpture in the Citadel, and someone else does too but I forget who it was.

[Hejhej1234]

Obvious: The council is indoctrinated, dismissing reaper claims and working against Shepard at every turn.

[Maj.Pain007]

That wouldn't be very BioWare like. Whats the point of playing Paragon then?

[-D-C-D-]

I disagree with this, at least in terms of Reaper exposure. Shepard has spent, what...an hour in total in even the vicinity of a Reaper?



According to Saren's facility, and numerous reports from characters in-game, indoctrination is a slow process, and does not happen with instant Reaper contact.



Not to mention Saren began to believe that siding with the Reapers was the way forward, where, by the end of ME2, Shepard still seems fairly intent on their destruction. I'll give you your due, however...there IS Reaper tech on the Normandy, so we'll see!

[Isaantia]

My guess: Shepard ends up indoctrinated at the beginning of ME3 and we spend most of the game trying to find a way to stop it and defeat the reapers - much like Saren was when we met him.

[The Angry One]

Naw Shep is too cool for indoctrination.
The thing people forget about Saren is that he went to Sovereign looking to use it as a weapon to gain supremacy for himself and put the humans in their place, and it blew up in his face.
His stupid justifications for the galaxy's survival all came later after he had already been indoctrinated bit by bit.

Modifié par The Angry One, 24 février 2010 - 03:06 .

[aaniadyen]

Indoctrination? Naw, just use a mass effect field. You'll be fine.

[DarkNova50]

More like Shepard will indoctrinate the Reapers.

[marshalleck]

It would be a pretty amazing feat of writing if they could convincingly lead Shepard down the indoctrination path, and fool the player into believing that they're doing the right thing as well. I think that would be as memorable, if not moreso, than Revan in KOTOR, since KOTOR wasn't entirely unpredictable. That said, I don't think Shepard's contact with Reapers has been extensive enough to have become indoctrinated.

Modifié par marshalleck, 24 février 2010 - 03:10 .

[XX55XX]

We need to have a dark ending as an option. I really would like one.

[Maj.Pain007]

Well it depends when the 3rd novel takes place. If it takes place when Shepard dies then I can see the base of Tim installing Reaper Tech into Shepard if the experiments on Paul are a success.

[The Angry One]

I could totally see Shep having an indoctrinator signal installed on EDI who then becomes an anti-Reaper Reaper and defeats them all that way.

[Wild Still]

The Angry One wrote...

I could totally see Shep having an indoctrinator signal installed on EDI who then becomes an anti-Reaper Reaper and defeats them all that way.

Shepard is going to indoctrinate all of the Reapers by broadcasting a signal of his/herself topless. Whether it is intimidation by sheer manhood or mesmerized by hypnotic jublies, the Reapers will fall.