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[Alastakon]

I can't see how this idea works, The indoctrination effect is a subtle change overtime. Saren was able to fight his way free and shoot himself (based on paragon/renegade) because he was not in close proximity to Sovereign. The only way for Shpard to become indoctrinated to the point of being a slave would require weeks of close interaction with a reaper. Yes he went near Sovereign and yes he boarded a derelict Reaper, But like I said, he spent no where near enough time near them for any indoctrination to take hold.



I'm not saying it's not possible, I'm just saying it's not likely.

[MrRattenburg]

This theory doesn't make any sense. On Feros Shiala said that indoctrination was a slow process, Benezia said that it would takes days or weeks. This would point towards long term exposure to a reaper. How much exposure does Shepard actually have with reapers? Not only was he never in Sovereign, but the closest he ever got to Sovereign was at the top of Citadel Tower during the attack on the Citadel, and any indoctrination that may have taken place probably would have been broken when Sovereign was destroyed.

And as far as the derelict reaper is concerned, that was a dead reaper so the effects of indoctrination probably wouldn't have been as strong, and Shepard was on board a total of what? 15 minutes?

For Shepard to all of a sudden be indoctrinated at the beginning of ME3 would leave plot hole bigger than Legion's chest.

[corebit]

MrRattenburg wrote...

This theory doesn't make any sense. On Feros Shiala said that indoctrination was a slow process, Benezia said that it would takes days or weeks. This would point towards long term exposure to a reaper. How much exposure does Shepard actually have with reapers? Not only was he never in Sovereign, but the closest he ever got to Sovereign was at the top of Citadel Tower during the attack on the Citadel, and any indoctrination that may have taken place probably would have been broken when Sovereign was destroyed.

And as far as the derelict reaper is concerned, that was a dead reaper so the effects of indoctrination probably wouldn't have been as strong, and Shepard was on board a total of what? 15 minutes?

For Shepard to all of a sudden be indoctrinated at the beginning of ME3 would leave plot hole bigger than Legion's chest.

No the indoctrination process depends upon the signal strength emitted by the Reaper. It can be very quick if the Reaper desires it or very subtle. The asari scientist in Virmire mentioned about it.

Also I totally forgot about EDI! The AI was constructed with some Reaper parts salvaged from Sovereign. After Joker unlocks EDI's core near the end, it takes full control of the Normandy. In essence, EDI BECOMES the Normandy. Perhaps EDI now has the power to indoctrinate people as well. I am afraid Joker has fallen victim, he is willing to do anything for EDI ("I love seeing humans on their knees.") . Shepard will become the next victim. :ph34r:

Modifié par corebit, 24 février 2010 - 05:16 .

[Amethyst Deceiver]

ah yes, "theories"

[The Angry One]

You don't actually need a Reaper to indoctrinate; there was a planet in ME1.. I forget which, where you find a survey team all went mad and turned themselves into husks. Basically indoctrinated.

Therefore indoctrination signals don't come from Reaper "cores" which is probably what the baby Reaper is, it's a seperate piece of technology.

[Lukertin]

DeadlyParasite wrote...
You'd be right, if it wasn't for the fact that EA and BioWare have come out and stated that more games in the Mass Effect series could and probably will be made.

Your theory conflicts with their considerations.

No it doesn't.  You assume that if Shepard sided with the reapers and destroyed the Council in a single surprise attack, (which would be the logical ending of ME3 if they went that route), there could not be a subsequent story arc detailing the ensuing struggle by another character to defeat Shepard and his 'Reapers'.

[Lukertin]

The Angry One wrote...
You don't actually need a Reaper to indoctrinate; there was a planet in ME1.. I forget which, where you find a survey team all went mad and turned themselves into husks. Basically indoctrinated.
Therefore indoctrination signals don't come from Reaper "cores" which is probably what the baby Reaper is, it's a seperate piece of technology.

Pretty sure they uncovered some ancient technology that turned them into husks, the planet itself didn't

[The Angry One]

Lukertin wrote...

The Angry One wrote...
You don't actually need a Reaper to indoctrinate; there was a planet in ME1.. I forget which, where you find a survey team all went mad and turned themselves into husks. Basically indoctrinated.
Therefore indoctrination signals don't come from Reaper "cores" which is probably what the baby Reaper is, it's a seperate piece of technology.

Pretty sure they uncovered some ancient technology that turned them into husks, the planet itself didn't

They unconvered "dragons teeth" husk converters. No sane person is going to throw themselves on one of those voluntarily.

[marshalleck]

The Angry One wrote...

You don't actually need a Reaper to indoctrinate; there was a planet in ME1.. I forget which, where you find a survey team all went mad and turned themselves into husks. Basically indoctrinated.
Therefore indoctrination signals don't come from Reaper "cores" which is probably what the baby Reaper is, it's a seperate piece of technology.

Are you talking about the planet where they excavated a bunch of dragon's teeth and promptly impaled themselves upon them?

[OH-UP-THIS!]

Wild Still wrote...

screwoffreg wrote...

lol that's what my fanfic says. Bioware, stop stealing my ideas!!

Is that the one where Captain Kirk is a chinchilla?

Nah it's probably something even more ridiculous, like all female aliens, that are blue skinned tarts.

or something just as ridiculous.

[marshalleck]

The Angry One wrote...

Lukertin wrote...

The Angry One wrote...
You don't actually need a Reaper to indoctrinate; there was a planet in ME1.. I forget which, where you find a survey team all went mad and turned themselves into husks. Basically indoctrinated.
Therefore indoctrination signals don't come from Reaper "cores" which is probably what the baby Reaper is, it's a seperate piece of technology.

Pretty sure they uncovered some ancient technology that turned them into husks, the planet itself didn't

They unconvered "dragons teeth" husk converters. No sane person is going to throw themselves on one of those voluntarily.

 That planet had not only the dragon's teeth, there was also a strange artifact similar to the one the geth on Feros were worshipping. I don't think the planet itself indoctrinated the researchers there.

[cyanrabbit]

Also consider, that it was never really said the Reapers are "evil", they might have a very good reason to exterminate sentient life every cycles, or obey to a greater power not known. A reason that we could face together at their side.

For example, letting technology develop might make possible inter-galactic travel, and reapers are no more than custom officers, making sure that potentially dangerous new species do not go happily developing over a territory long claimed by their masters. The milky is a very small part of the universe after all..

Alongside this idea, some dark energy theories, and the will of the reapers to drive technological devlpment in a given way, It might be that any other way of travel (most probably wormholes) could wreck the whole universe to oblivion, not just a bunch of sentients here and then.

From sovereign we only know that the reapers are reckless, but their true motivation is still unknown.

Modifié par cyanrabbit, 24 février 2010 - 06:16 .

[The Angry One]

marshalleck wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Lukertin wrote...

The Angry One wrote...
You don't actually need a Reaper to indoctrinate; there was a planet in ME1.. I forget which, where you find a survey team all went mad and turned themselves into husks. Basically indoctrinated.
Therefore indoctrination signals don't come from Reaper "cores" which is probably what the baby Reaper is, it's a seperate piece of technology.

Pretty sure they uncovered some ancient technology that turned them into husks, the planet itself didn't

They unconvered "dragons teeth" husk converters. No sane person is going to throw themselves on one of those voluntarily.

 That planet had not only the dragon's teeth, there was also a strange artifact similar to the one the geth on Feros were worshipping. I don't think the planet itself indoctrinated the researchers there.

I'm not saying the planet did, I'm saying indoctrinator signals may come from a piece of technology seperate from a Reaper core, like what was found on the planet.

[InvaderErl]

Maybe a Reaper crashed into the planet.



Purely speculative but I like the sound of it.

[Marta Rio]

I could see Shep siding with the reapers as one of the possible endings of ME3 - not because he/she's indoctrinated, but because the reapers offer humanity a chance for immortality - as a new type of hybrid life form.  It seems that the reapers want to use human DNA to build the next generation of reapers (albeit by turning millions of individual humans into some type of slurry), and if they did so humanity would essentially become the new dominant life form of the galaxy.  I could see this appealing to an Illusive Man type; you trade some of what makes humans "human" for a chance at the new human-reaper race living for millenia, having control over the galaxy, etc.  I also think it's hinted at in a lot of the Harbinger dialogue ("I am your genetic destiny", etc.). 

I think it'd be an interesting choice: you could either destroy the reapers and thus keep humanity in its short-lived organic form, or side with them and give humans some form of immortality.

Modifié par Marta Rio, 24 février 2010 - 06:41 .

[InvaderErl]

I doubt that will happen since Bioware has expressed an interest in continuing the ME universe.

[Lumenadducere]

As FaintlyAlarmed said, the "quick" version of indoctrination takes a couple days and basically leaves the person as a mindless husk. The process that Saren, Benezia, and the other Asari following her underwent took a much longer amount of time. Given how much time Shepard has spent within the proximity of a Reaper, I think it's pretty unlikely that (s)he has been indoctrinated.



If this for some ridiculous reason does become a plot point in ME3, there had better be a darn good explanation for it. Otherwise it completely contradicts everything they've said over the last two games.

[slackbheep]

Eh I can't see this happening not that it isn't interesting.

Also, concerning the Reaper indoctrination doesn't it take a substantial amount of time to take effect? Shepards spent a few hours blowing them up in spectacular ways but likely not long enough around them to be affected.

Personally, I think there could be something else out there besides the Reapers, perhaps whom they are in conflict with.

[jhock21]

interesting idea. perhaps it will be included as another alternate ending. but i would def go with a good ending and stay loyal to humanity. me and garrus would destroy the reapers, then i would marry my girl tali and garrus would be my best man. thats my ending

[bbslayer_07]

I doubt Bioware will let this be a cannon ending, but it would be a welcome choice for those of us who really want to screw the council over ourselfs. They'll probably make some kind of uber failure or dark ending though, cause I can't see them only making good endings just with many variations.



So I think we can expect at least 1 dark ending.

[Godeshus]

Let's see. Throughout 2 epic games, ME1 and ME2, Shepherd is hounded constantly by many enemies. The geth are trying to kill him. Saren was trying to kill him. Matriarch was trying to kill him, then in ME2, the collectors DID kill him, then spent the rest of the game trying to kill him again. They put a trap on Horizon to try and kill him, a trap on the derelict reaper to try and kill him, and a trap on the collector ship to try and kill him.



I believe your theory has some flaws.



-godeshus

[Jimbe2693]

Shepards discoveres the Reapers true motives then joins them to cleanse the galaxy

[notphrog]

I think that there might be an element of this in ME3, and it would be subtle and would start convincing us that switching sides is right, but I think at some point either we, Shepard, or a teammate will recognize the signs and work to reverse the indoctrination.