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Scandigeek

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Tlonuqbar wrote...

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Ceridraen wrote...

Are you really ever the queen? The most I could get for my male human was 'consort,' which I read as 'picturesque Boy Toy Companion, more or less legally married, but without power.' Kind of like Prince Phillip. Except prettier.


Yes, you are considered a Queen when you are married to a reigning King. You are not Queen-Regent, you are a Queen-Consort or the less formal term Princess-Consort.


Indeed, if neither a married king or queen is considered a 'king-consort' or 'queen-consort' then both are co-equals in power, like William and Mary of England or Ferdinand and Isabella of Spain.  Basically, in Dragon Age, no matter who the ruler of Ferelden is, it isn't you, regardless of your relationship to the ruler.  A good example would be Princess Diana, who went back to being Diana Spencer after her marriage to Prince Charles dissolved.

Another way of looking at it is, would you still be King, Queen, Princess, or Prince regardless of who you were married to or married at all? (exempting the Edward VIII "marrying a commoner" debacle and similar situations).  If you retain your title regardless of spouse, you are not a consort.  Divorcing Alastair or Anora would definitely strip you of your title, ergo...consort.


Makes sense that your character would only be a consort when you think about it though.  Being a regent would be cool but it would also effectively end your adventuring career, you might be able to get away with a Crusade or a battle or too, but thats about it. 

I hoping theres some perks to being Queen that are carried over into Awakening though. 

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Bann Duncan wrote...

I doubt they'd do this because it would only affect those of Human Noble origin, but it would be fun if Awakening began with PC and Alistair/Anora's wedding. 'twould be a slightly less depressing beginning that oft found in games - sort of like how both Godfather films begin with a celebration.

No, no, no, I could totally see this working out for non-humans, too! Cue the wedding. Options for dwarves would be:

1. [Stay silent.]
2. [Nod off.]
3. [Check out the bridesmaids.]

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Ceridraen wrote...

Are you really ever the queen? The most I could get for my male human was 'consort,' which I read as 'picturesque Boy Toy Companion, more or less legally married, but without power.' Kind of like Prince Phillip. Except prettier.


I think in Awakenings your real job is being Warden Commander; you just happen to also be married to King Alistair.

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I'd rather refer to myself as the Queen-manderYou know, shorten it up so they don't have to go through a whole sentence just to address my character.  ^_^

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Alistair probably wont talk to his queen much during this expansion simply because he is trying to get over how he is now chained to the cooker while his wife goes out to kill darkspawn. Oh how the tides have turned dear man.

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Abyss Vixen wrote...

Alistair probably wont talk to his queen much during this expansion simply because he is trying to get over how he is now chained to the cooker while his wife goes out to kill darkspawn. Oh how the tides have turned dear man.


He did say he looks pretty in a dress, though......

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Tlonuqbar wrote...

Indeed, if neither a married king or queen is considered a 'king-consort' or 'queen-consort' then both are co-equals in power, like William and Mary of England or Ferdinand and Isabella of Spain. 


It's not that simple.

The reason William and Mary were co-rulers is because they were both in the line of (protesant) succession.  Mary, being the eldest daughter of the deposed James II and William, being James' nephew (eldest son of James' eldest sister) and closest possible successor outside of James own children.  Because they were married, the Act of Succession provided for them to rule jointly, and upon one's death - the other would rule alone and be succeeded by their children or by Anne, Mary's younger sister, if they had no children (which they didn't).  This would not have been the case if both had not been high up in the line of succession. 

As for Ferdinand and Isabella - Spain did not exist the time they succeeded to their thrones.  Isabella was Queen of Castile (Ferdinand was King-Consort) while Ferdinand was King of Aragon (Isabella being his Queen-Consort).  Spain evolved out of a union of those 2 countries, which is why they ended up ruling jointly, because it was a union of thrones as much as persons.

Basically, in Dragon Age, no matter who the ruler of Ferelden is, it isn't you, regardless of your relationship to the ruler.  A good example would be Princess Diana, who went back to being Diana Spencer after her marriage to Prince Charles dissolved.

Another way of looking at it is, would you still be King, Queen, Princess, or Prince regardless of who you were married to or married at all? (exempting the Edward VIII "marrying a commoner" debacle and similar situations).  If you retain your title regardless of spouse, you are not a consort.  Divorcing Alastair or Anora would definitely strip you of your title, ergo...consort.


By that definition, Anora was never more than Queen-Consort, being the wife of King Cailan, King Maric's lawful (and only known) son.  Technically, her claim to the throne should have lapsed immediately upon Cailan's death and probably would have if there had been an available lawful successor of Theirin blood.  Legally, If Alistair succeeds to the throne based on his bloodline, then his wife should hold the position of Queen-consort under the same terms Anora did with Cailan (i.e. married to the King with as much/little a role in governing as the King wishes her to have) and her title lapsing if Alistair died or divorced her. 

However, the question is never adequately answered on what role the Landsmeet has in choosing monarchs.  We know they are instrumental in resolving disputed successions (e.g. we know that they chose Arland over Sophia Dryden in the past) but they game is vague about how sovereignty is conferred.  For instance, does Alistair owe his claim to succession by blood, or by (s)election by the Landsmeet.  If it's the latter, than it could be argued that his spouse was also elected by the Landsmeet and hence has as much right to the throne as Alistair.

This is even more the case with Anora, who has no blood claim at all to the throne and whose right to sit upon it relies solely on her being the choice of the Landsmeet.  However, again, if the male human noble takes the throne with her, then it can be argued that his claim is as valid as hers depending on whether they were specfifically elected joint monarchs.  And even if they weren't, the question arises about whether Anora would have even been chosen at all without the support of the Warden and thus owes her throne to that support.

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Abyss Vixen wrote...

Alistair probably wont talk to his queen much during this expansion simply because he is trying to get over how he is now chained to the cooker while his wife goes out to kill darkspawn. Oh how the tides have turned dear man.



Yes, the Queen-mander has more important things to do.  My character definitely wears the pants in this relationship.  Or the cuisses.  Or whatever you wanna call it.

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More interestingly is the option when you have chosen to make Anora queen and had the 'rebuilding the Warden together with Alistair'- ending. I wonder how they have solved THAT.. Is Alistair then like



"Yeah hun, I know we have to do this ,important and so. But why don't you go ahead and start this thing already? You know being the leader and all. I will come there later when main work is done in Amarathine and worship your achievements. I'm off to recruit some Wardens now. Love you" *kisses her and leaves*



PC: "WTF? o.O



Sadly that's how I picture it...*harumpf*

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*giggles*

In Aimo's comic "when the cat's away" he's in his room playing with his do-- uh, his figurines. ^^

I'm currently entertaining the idea to ditch the queen ending and spare Loghain. It's heart-breaking to have Alistair run off but at least it's a good reason to be away.

Modifié par klarabella, 14 mars 2010 - 06:30 .


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Aeto Alessos wrote...

Alistair runs off with Sandal.


Enchantment?

On a serious note I'm guessing it will still count your character as being Queen and it probably still count as you're married to Alistair if you did so in the original game. But you probably won't do any more romance stuff and you won't be able to start any romances with any of your companions.

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13eelzebub wrote...

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There was a post in a previous thread that made allot of sense for me.

In the Epilogue it says that the actual wedding between you and Alistair was 6 months after the events of Origins. But Awakening should start rigth after origins so you shoudn't be an actueel queen yet in Awakening because you aren't married to Alistair.

Can't say for sure that this is 100% true, but it would make sense if they would do this.

And just because the romances do not carry over, it doesn't mean they are ended.


Awakening takes place after 7 months I believe. Where is the source that says it starts right after?


Only 7 months?  Dwarves must breed quickly.  http://dragonage.bio...aracter/oghren/

Modifié par JamieCOTC, 14 mars 2010 - 06:35 .


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Merilsell wrote...

More interestingly is the option when you have chosen to make Anora queen and had the 'rebuilding the Warden together with Alistair'- ending. I wonder how they have solved THAT.. Is Alistair then like

"Yeah hun, I know we have to do this ,important and so. But why don't you go ahead and start this thing already? You know being the leader and all. I will come there later when main work is done in Amarathine and worship your achievements. I'm off to recruit some Wardens now. Love you" *kisses her and leaves*

PC: "WTF? o.O

Sadly that's how I picture it...*harumpf*


Even worse, they might not deal with it at all. IE that ending isn't supported.

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KentGoldings

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I thought that after you married Alistair, your title became "Princess Consort" or some such nonsense.

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Well do you expect them to make a game where you just sit on a throne and tell people what to do?



Well... that could be a good game if done properly. But its not DA.

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No, people just want to be acknowledged as queen/king in the game and want to know wether or not that confers the pc any extra dialog/perks.

Modifié par Count Viceroy, 14 mars 2010 - 06:43 .


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ZaroktheImmortal wrote...

Aeto Alessos wrote...

Alistair runs off with Sandal.


Enchantment?

On a serious note I'm guessing it will still count your character as being Queen and it probably still count as you're married to Alistair if you did so in the original game. But you probably won't do any more romance stuff and you won't be able to start any romances with any of your companions.


This is why I was disappointed with no romance, as Queen I have to have a child somehow, what better way than when I'm away from the King!  As a GW can I even have a child? Mages seem to be able to have children, that would be way more taboo than a GW.


Also, don't male characters get the conversation with Morrigan that GW's are extremely healthy because of the taint and their stamina?  If this is the case, then why not have a child?

Modifié par ElvaliaRavenHart, 14 mars 2010 - 08:27 .


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Alistair:  So the latest news from Amaranthine is that there appear to be some weird darkspawn breeding around there...  Possibly a threat to the whole of Fereldan...
HNF: [grabbing sword from under pillow, casting eyes heavenwards] Thank the Maker! Say no more, love, I was getting a bit fed up of all these babymaking attempts, anyway.  Kiss?
Alistair: *Sigh*  Serves me right for marrying a hyperactive Cousland, doesn't it?
HNF: Promise I'll send you a postcard and a few darkspawn heads.  Byes!

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Ceridraen wrote...

Are you really ever the queen? The most I could get for my male human was 'consort,' which I read as 'picturesque Boy Toy Companion, more or less legally married, but without power.' Kind of like Prince Phillip. Except prettier.


On all the playthroughs where my char married anora she always referred to me as "king" at the endgame celebration. It starts out as prince-consort at arl eamons estate, then becomes king consort after loghains defeat at the landsmeet, finishing off as king after slaying the archdemon.

So, from prince-consort to king-consort to simply "king".

I dont get where everyone gets this whole "you're not king you're only a prince consort" thing I've seen repeated in numerous threads, is it related to what conversation options you pick with anora or something?

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Dokarqt wrote...


I dont get where everyone gets
this whole "you're not king you're only a prince consort" thing I've
seen repeated in numerous threads, is it related to what conversation
options you pick with anora or something?


As I understand it: its a technicality in how different RL monarchies have worked in the past. There's not enough data about the ferelden one though to draw any sort of comparison or conclusion imo.

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Count Viceroy wrote...


As I understand it: its a technicality in how different RL monarchies have worked in the past. There's not enough data about the ferelden one though to draw any sort of comparison or conclusion imo.



I understand that theres big difference between the terms "prince-consort" and "king" and the what they imply, my point is that anora only calls it "prince-consort" at arl eamons estate directly after rescuing her. She calls you King after you kill the archdemon.

After the landsmeet when you say "Anora will take the crown, and I'll rule beside her" she calls you the king consort.
Its an escalation of implied importance as the game progresses. Thats why I wonder if all the people who adamantly insists that you are only a prince consort picked the wrong conversation options or something with anora.

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So much Anora hate.Image IPB

It will be interesting to see her reactions to her Prince-Consort AKA boytoy.Image IPB

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Dokarqt wrote...

Count Viceroy wrote...


As I understand it: its a technicality in how different RL monarchies have worked in the past. There's not enough data about the ferelden one though to draw any sort of comparison or conclusion imo.



I understand that theres big difference between the terms "prince-consort" and "king" and the what they imply, my point is that anora only calls it "prince-consort" at arl eamons estate directly after rescuing her. She calls you King after you kill the archdemon.

After the landsmeet when you say "Anora will take the crown, and I'll rule beside her" she calls you the king consort.
Its an escalation of implied importance as the game progresses. Thats why I wonder if all the people who adamantly insists that you are only a prince consort picked the wrong conversation options or something with anora.


Ah I see, I've only done the hmn 1 time so I'm not too familar with that one. I think the hnf one fits better. There's some confusion there as well as the pc is being refered to as queen at some times and princess consort at others.

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L33tuberpwner wrote...

So much Anora hate.Image IPB

It will be interesting to see her reactions to her Prince-Consort AKA boytoy.Image IPB


*grinds teeth and tries to resist the need to direct to my previous posts*

:whistle:

B)

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You think that the queen would not have to loot dead bodies for Sovereigns. I bet ya she'll have to.