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[Bryy_Miller]

Emerald Melios wrote...

Ceridraen wrote...

Are you really ever the queen? The most I could get for my male human was 'consort,' which I read as 'picturesque Boy Toy Companion, more or less legally married, but without power.' Kind of like Prince Phillip. Except prettier.

I think in Awakenings your real job is being Warden Commander; you just happen to also be married to King Alistair.

What will be interesting is if any of your choices affect Alistair's reputation.

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

Maria13 wrote...

Alistair:  So the latest news from Amaranthine is that there appear to be some weird darkspawn breeding around there...  Possibly a threat to the whole of Fereldan...
HNF: [grabbing sword from under pillow, casting eyes heavenwards] Thank the Maker! Say no more, love, I was getting a bit fed up of all these babymaking attempts, anyway.  Kiss?
Alistair: *Sigh*  Serves me right for marrying a hyperactive Cousland, doesn't it?
HNF: Promise I'll send you a postcard and a few darkspawn heads.  Byes!

Hahahaha!

[Bratt1204]

Maria13 wrote...

Alistair:  So the latest news from Amaranthine is that there appear to be some weird darkspawn breeding around there...  Possibly a threat to the whole of Fereldan...
HNF: [grabbing sword from under pillow, casting eyes heavenwards] Thank the Maker! Say no more, love, I was getting a bit fed up of all these babymaking attempts, anyway.  Kiss?
Alistair: *Sigh*  Serves me right for marrying a hyperactive Cousland, doesn't it?
HNF: Promise I'll send you a postcard and a few darkspawn heads.  Byes!

[shedevil3001]

lmao@bratt1204 wow you could write the humour for future da expansions maybe you should send an application form in to bioware :}

[Noir201]

Maria13 wrote...

Alistair:  So the latest news from Amaranthine is that there appear to be some weird darkspawn breeding around there...  Possibly a threat to the whole of Fereldan...
HNF: [grabbing sword from under pillow, casting eyes heavenwards] Thank the Maker! Say no more, love, I was getting a bit fed up of all these babymaking attempts, anyway.  Kiss?
Alistair: *Sigh*  Serves me right for marrying a hyperactive Cousland, doesn't it?
HNF: Promise I'll send you a postcard and a few darkspawn heads.  Byes!

Hehe thats fantastic

[Dracul_Age]

Aislinn Trista wrote...

Abyss Vixen wrote...

Alistair probably wont talk to his queen much during this expansion simply because he is trying to get over how he is now chained to the cooker while his wife goes out to kill darkspawn. Oh how the tides have turned dear man.

Yes, the Queen-mander has more important things to do.  My character definitely wears the pants in this relationship.  Or the cuisses.  Or whatever you wanna call it.

Thats hawt

[Alcanazar1]

Simply marrying the king doesn't make you queen; you must be crowned. If you are of lesser birth such a marriage is considered morganatic.  Louis XIV married his mistress Mme de Maintenon after the death of the queen, but this was never acknowledged publicly and she was never crowned. 

[L33tuberpwner]

If anything a Cousland is of greater birth than Alistair.

[SarEnyaDor]

Maria13 wrote...

Alistair:  So the latest news from Amaranthine is that there appear to be some weird darkspawn breeding around there...  Possibly a threat to the whole of Fereldan...
HNF: [grabbing sword from under pillow, casting eyes heavenwards] Thank the Maker! Say no more, love, I was getting a bit fed up of all these babymaking attempts, anyway.  Kiss?
Alistair: *Sigh*  Serves me right for marrying a hyperactive Cousland, doesn't it?
HNF: Promise I'll send you a postcard and a few darkspawn heads.  Byes!

How can you possibly get fed-up of baby-making attempts???

Sore and exhausted - yes.   
Bored - no.

Modifié par SarEnyaDor, 15 mars 2010 - 12:00 .

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

Indeed, so Alistair gets a step up marrying HNF. 

Uh, to many baby making attempts gets a little score after awhile. 

Modifié par ElvaliaRavenHart, 15 mars 2010 - 12:01 .

[KentGoldings]

ElvaliaRavenHart wrote...

Indeed, so Alistair gets a step up marrying HNF.

Sans the marriage to the King, the Human female noble Warden is in every respects Anora Mac Teir's equal.  They are both daughter's of a Teryn.  This is one of the reasons why Howe was set to take out th Couslands. They were a threat to Logain's authority.

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

KentGoldings wrote...

ElvaliaRavenHart wrote...

Indeed, so Alistair gets a step up marrying HNF.

Sans the marriage to the King, the Human female noble Warden is in every respects Anora Mac Teir's equal.  They are both daughter's of a Teryn.  This is one of the reasons why Howe was set to take out th Couslands. They were a threat to Logain's authority.

That wasn't the only reason, The Couslands took some of Howe's land during King Maric's fight for his throne, might have been even before this.  Teacher in library gives info on that. This was before HNF was born or meet Alistair.  The Couslands were the high lords over the howes, not the other way around, land area of Harper's Ford I think.

Personally, I think Howe would have killed Anora, and Loghain and took the whole country.  HN to rescue.

Modifié par ElvaliaRavenHart, 15 mars 2010 - 12:15 .

[Nhadalie]

KentGoldings wrote...

ElvaliaRavenHart wrote...

Indeed, so Alistair gets a step up marrying HNF.

Sans the marriage to the King, the Human female noble Warden is in every respects Anora Mac Teir's equal.  They are both daughter's of a Teryn.  This is one of the reasons why Howe was set to take out th Couslands. They were a threat to Logain's authority.

Technically speaking, the HNF is actually a little above Anora. They're both the daughters of Teryns. But Loghain was a commoner before he gained the Terynir through his heroics in saving Fereldan. The Couslands are a long line of respected Teryns and Terynas. Dairren even says that some people think your father should have been King instead of Cailen, simply because of how loved Bryce Cousland is by the people.

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

Nhadalie wrote...

KentGoldings wrote...

ElvaliaRavenHart wrote...

Indeed, so Alistair gets a step up marrying HNF.

Sans the marriage to the King, the Human female noble Warden is in every respects Anora Mac Teir's equal.  They are both daughter's of a Teryn.  This is one of the reasons why Howe was set to take out th Couslands. They were a threat to Logain's authority.

Technically speaking, the HNF is actually a little above Anora. They're both the daughters of Teryns. But Loghain was a commoner before he gained the Terynir through his heroics in saving Fereldan. The Couslands are a long line of respected Teryns and Terynas. Dairren even says that some people think your father should have been King instead of Cailen, simply because of how loved Bryce Cousland is by the people.

Yes, there is something in the game that says the Couslands are second in line to the throne, therefore, Loghain and Anora were just trying to stay in power. This means HNF is rightful title throne holder after Calian's death.  I think I picked this up as a codex entry on highever not playing HN.  Actually, Fergus is without Alistair.

Modifié par ElvaliaRavenHart, 15 mars 2010 - 12:22 .

[Nhadalie]

ElvaliaRavenHart wrote...

That wasn't the only reason, The Couslands took some of Howe's land during King Maric's fight for his throne, might have been even before this.  Teacher in library gives info on that. This was before HNF was born or meet Alistair.  The Couslands were the high lords over the howes, not the other way around, land area of Harper's Ford I think.

Personally, I think Howe would have killed Anora, and Loghain and took the whole country.  HN to rescue.

It actually started much earlier than that. Conobar Elstan, Flemeth's husband, was a cousin of the Howe family. When he died/was killed, the lands went to a Cousland.(I don't remember who by name offhand.) It wasn't a Terynir yet though. Around the time with all the issues with werewolves, the black age, one of the Couslands united the outlaying banns of Highever, and became their Teryn. Essentially rising the Couslands from commoners at the beginning to being even higher up than the Howes.

Then during the war with Orlais, the Howes initially sided with the Orlesians. The Couslands were forced to take over Harper's Ford, because it was a strategic place for the war. The Howes were later convinced, and switched to supporting King Maric.

Essentially, the Howes and Couslands have had a long rocky history with each other.

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

Yes, this is correct, so if Alistair is dead, then Couslands are rightful King Or Queen.  Which actually makes it Fergus since he is still alive.  I liked Fergus.  That would take the pressure off of me and Al for heir!

Modifié par ElvaliaRavenHart, 15 mars 2010 - 12:35 .

[Nhadalie]

ElvaliaRavenHart wrote...

Yes, this is correct, so if Alistair is dead, then Couslands are rightful King Or Queen.  Which actually makes it Fergus since he is still alive.  I liked Fergus.  That would take the pressure off of me and Al for heir!

If Alistair didn't exist, he would be. Yes. Though I can't really imagine Fergus being King. But then, in my head he's the boyish older brother who never grows up.

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

LOL, same reaction here too.

[Nhadalie]

ElvaliaRavenHart wrote...

LOL, same reaction here too.

I'm convinced that as a young teen, Fergus raided the larder nightly. And my HNF caught him doing it one night, and used it to black mail him. "I'll tell Nan who's been raiding the larder all these years..."


I'm sure a HN PC has all sorts of dirt on Fergus. Those sort of things happen when your room is so close to a sibling's, I'd imagine.

[Sesshomaru47]

ElvaliaRavenHart wrote...

Yes, this is correct, so if Alistair is dead, then Couslands are rightful King Or Queen.  Which actually makes it Fergus since he is still alive.  I liked Fergus.  That would take the pressure off of me and Al for heir!

Wouldn't marrying a Cousland strengthen Alistairs claims to the throne then? Either way it's a royal sucessor. Plus if you fail in the baby making department, your brother better get over his grief quick smart...

[Nhadalie]

Sesshomaru47 wrote...

ElvaliaRavenHart wrote...

Yes, this is correct, so if Alistair is dead, then Couslands are rightful King Or Queen.  Which actually makes it Fergus since he is still alive.  I liked Fergus.  That would take the pressure off of me and Al for heir!

Wouldn't marrying a Cousland strengthen Alistairs claims to the throne then? Either way it's a royal sucessor. Plus if you fail in the baby making department, your brother better get over his grief quick smart...

It doesn't have to be Alistair's baby...


Technically, yes. Marrying a Cousland would strengthen Alistair's claim. Since he's well.. A bastard. Bastard children usually don't have much of a claim to the throne, unless all of their relatives are somehow killed off. But marrying a Cousland would give Alistair more political pull, and it wouldn't be unusual at all.


I always thought it was kind of awkward that marrying Alistair was up to you. It's like "ALISTAIR WILL BE KING, AND I'LL MARRY HIM." "..You will? Wait. Aren't I supposed to ask you to?"


And the being a failed baby maker thing makes me angry. Seriously. Male Grey Wardens can have kids. Why can't female ones?

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

Sesshomaru47 wrote...

ElvaliaRavenHart wrote...

Yes, this is correct, so if Alistair is dead, then Couslands are rightful King Or Queen.  Which actually makes it Fergus since he is still alive.  I liked Fergus.  That would take the pressure off of me and Al for heir!

Wouldn't marrying a Cousland strengthen Alistairs claims to the throne then? Either way it's a royal sucessor. Plus if you fail in the baby making department, your brother better get over his grief quick smart...

Yes, this is so according to the lore.

[qalan]

The Couslands are second in rank to the King/Queen, not necessarily next in order of succession.  Assuming that Ferelden operates under a form of primogeniture, then the Couslands (or any other family wishing to suceed to the throne) would have demonstrate a blood link to a previous King/Queen of Ferelden.  Arl Eamon certainly feels strongly about maintaining Calenhad's bloodline, though not all the nobles do (there's a throwaway line by a noble in the Denerim tavern that it would be better for the throne to pass to the MacTir line).

Given that Maric and his mother Moira were both only children (as far as we know) and the Orlesian occupation lasted 80 years or so, you'd probably have to go back several generations to find collateral descendents of royal Theirin blood and at such a remove there are probably several noble families (at least) that could claim such a kinship.  I seem to recall Teagan saying that his family has 'some' royal blood (and I think he's going beyond his sister's marriage to Maric) but that it's a "shaky claim" to the throne, at best.

For that matter, it may be that Levi Dryden has one of the best claims to the throne if the direct (Maric/Cailan/Alistair) line dies out, given that his great-great-grandmother was once considered a possible successor before King Arland came to the throne and presumably descends from King Calenhad.  Granted the Drydens were stripped of their lands and titles but their blood link to Calenhad is still there...  Henry Tudor's claim to the throne was very distant and yet he not only took the throne, but ended in founding a dynasty that every subsequent English/British monarch is directly descended from...

Modifié par qalan, 15 mars 2010 - 01:07 .

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

Qalan, you make an excellent point if Alistair is dead, In WK, the demon does say that Sophia Dryden was next in line to the throne and they choose the boy king Arland. Instead of making her Queen she was forced to become a grey warden. I seem to recall something in "The Calling" on this but I'm not 100% sure.

Doesn't second in rank mean next in line if no successor?

Modifié par ElvaliaRavenHart, 15 mars 2010 - 01:15 .

[qalan]

One thing I can remember from the Calling was a comment that the Orlesians were apparently very thorough/persistent in wiping out descendants of King Calenhad. That's why Moira's death was intended as such a blow to the rebels - because if she and Maric were killed, there was no other candidates for the rebels to rally around.