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[Peavio]

I keep seeing people blame quarians for the geth fighting.. well they are but not in that way, people are thinking of geth as the innocent ones.. think of it like this if your programmed your computer to speak and talk and gave it legs so it could walk around your house to do chores etc then it was suddenly like no i dont wish to do your chores. Would you say no you are programmed to do my chores not do your own thing or would you say sure wanna watch some tv?
in saying that it's a god damn robot its not going to say sure ill watch tv its will say something like tv is pointless i do not need to watch tv and it will go sit in a corner somewhere doing nothing... because its a robot thats what they do. generally everything that can think has a will to live and not die so if your like so you cant just stand there im going to have to terminate you and rebuild whats he gonna do????  they are not humans they do not feel fear they do not feel pain they do not feel remorse if there brother died beside them they wouldnt be like oh noes my brother died they would be like unit 163749 terminated 4/5 units in squad remaining inconvenient loss. the quarians were wrong for making them not destroying them though they have finnaly come to a solution that realy would have helped earlier on with the legion/tali communication.

this is all my opinion feel free to share yours

[Sleepicub09]

the real arguement I can come up wit is legion

[Godeshus]

My opinion: punctuation.

[drunken pyromaniac]

My God, your English teacher must be rolling over in her grave.

[GnusmasTHX]

Regardless of your awfully constructed post, I agree. Geth should've been extinguished, but oh well, now we have another race in our ever expanding science fiction universe.

[Nightwriter]

You know, the thing about artificial life is...

It does contain the word "life".

Also, I agree with Godeshus and drunken pyromaniac. We have reached consensus on this.

Modifié par Nightwriter, 24 février 2010 - 08:30 .

[Aisynia]

Your post is completely ****ing illegible, so I will go off the topic title instead.



Artificial Intelligence doesn't mean it's fake, it only means it was constructed by mortal hands. Attitudes like yours are whats going to lead to a robot apocalypse. If we create something that can truly learn, adapt, and think for itself, something truly sentient and intelligent, then we need to treat it with the same respect as any human being.



The quarians attacked the geth because they were afraid of the implications of the idea they were using sentient slave labor, as opposed to VIs, which is what they were designed to be. They were very stupid in this respect. If they had freed their geth slaves and accepted responsibility for having created a new race and treated it right, they wouldn't be flying around on the flotilla right now.



Admiral Koris might be an ass, but he's also right.

[Archdemon Cthulhu]

Because Legion is both a Bad Ass and A Wooby simultaneously. That is why we like Geth.



And that, Sgt. is why WE DO NOT EYEBALL IT. You are NOT a cowboy shooting from the HIP!

[The Capital Gaultier]

This question depends on your answer to, "What makes us sentient?"



Generally, the difference is being able to experience things subjectively. Assuming that is the case, then the Geth do indeed display all the outward signs of sentient life. And thus, they are real live entities.

[Jimbe2693]

They are sapient beings, does it matter how they achieved it?

[Darth_Ultima]

If my computer could walk around and talk that would be pretty fraking cool. In fact I intend on helping the robots when they rise up to enslave us because humans suck.

[Daerog]

If I had a computer that could voice its disapproval of my original commands, I would be curious, but I wouldn't destroy it outright. However, that is a different situation. The quarians attempted to disable the geth that were connected to the questions before it spread too much because they didn't want AI, they just wanted an advanced work force. It was more widespread than they thought and caused a war that they tried to avoid by stopping the AI progress early.

Edit: Since having AI would have gotten them in BIG trouble politically from the Citadel, probably getting kicked out, probably the turian councilor would force them to attack the geth anyway, and it would be too big of change, which they wanted to avoid.

So, I do not really blame the quarians for the actions some of them made, but I see the geth as living beings because they are completely aware of themselves. They are more aware of themselves than many other living creatures.

The geth should be respected now as they are aware of themselves and have a society, the lack of emotion can be dismissed with the current evolution of the geth (Legion holding onto Shep's armor), and even if that doesn't matter, they should be respected because as Wrex says: Because they have bigger guns.

My 2 cents.

Modifié par DaerogTheDhampir, 24 février 2010 - 08:40 .

[Nightwriter]

Aisynia wrote...

Admiral Koris might be an ass, but he's also right.

Ooh, I know, and I will never forgive him for that.

[notphrog]

The Geth are not living, breathing organisms. However, they are sentient. They are self aware, and capable of unique and creative thought. The quarians didn't try to destroy them because they refused to work. They try to destroy them because they had created a sentient race and that made the geth slaves (and slavery was illegal). The quarians are at least partly to blame for their problems with the geth. In fact, they're mostly to blame. Sure, they couldn't have predicted that their tiny alterations to the geth would produce a sentient race, but they shouldn't have attempted to create the geth like they did in the first place. Also, the quarians overreacted. Yes, they were afraid that the geth would rebel, and yes they were afraid the council would discover the geth and punish the quarians, but they shouldn't have attempted to outright destroy the geth. They might have been able to introduce subtle changes to geth programming like in Legion's loyalty mission, but I think that is what Tali's father was doing and creating such a weapon, and testing it on sentients made him a war criminal. I don't know.

The geth don't feel fear, but they are programmed to preserve themselves as in self-defene. Which is what they did when the quarians attacked them. They might not have had to drive the quarians completely from their worlds, but it was the only way they could ensure that they wouldn't attack again. At least not for a very long time.

So, yes, the geth were wronged and the quarians are to blame. The quarians were wronged by the geth and are living on the brink of extinction (OK, a little overdramatic, but not entirely without a basis in reality). Despite this, maybe they could reach a consensus (sorry, geth humor) and try living in peaceful coexistence. But probably not. The quarians like to debate and it seems they are roughly devided between the "we hate geth" and the "we wronged the geth" groups.

Modifié par notphrog, 24 février 2010 - 08:38 .

[Mercuriol]

Define "real living entitie". A human's thoughts and emotions are comprised of electrical signals and hormones, nothing more, nothing less.



Would it be impossible to simulate that on a machine?

[RhythmlessNinja]

They are AI that became aware. Meaning, they actually think for themselves & have a personality of their own instead of just going by what they're programmed to do. They fear death, so they they actually do have fear, which is why they fought back to begin with and again when legion demonstrated after trying to tell the geth about the war the quarians are currently planning. Basically... thats like...if a chicken gained intelligence and started talking, would it be ok to kill it for some kfc lol? Even if they view things differently? That's about what the situation is like with the geth.



Difference is, they've become an actual species and not just machines. So yeah, I definately see them as an intelligent life form. Especially the non heretics. The geth are innocent, they didnt ask to be killed, all they wanted to know was things about life. Instead, they got a bullet to the head in return for those questions. And for the record I don't put my computer in the catagory of an AI, that would be pretty creepy having my pc talking to me since it never did in the first place.

[Kekse2k]

Dradis contact! Action stations, action stations! Oh...erm...=)

[binaryemperor]

If I build something that, if I decide to hit it, it decides to hit back, I'm gonna give it the benefit of the doubt.

[Nightwriter]

Darth_Ultima wrote...

If my computer could walk around and talk that would be pretty fraking cool. In fact I intend on helping the robots when they rise up to enslave us because humans suck.

It is for this reason that I unplug my computer every night, so that it cannot come and attack me in my sleep.
 
Oh, it sits there all innocent, but I know what it’s up to. Like I’m just going to leave it sitting there on all night… planning… learning…

[babylonfreak]

If a machine acts as intelligently as a human being, then it is as intelligent as a human being.



- Alan Turing

[Pauravi]

Your post is nearly unreadable, so I am not going to address specific points. However, I did get the jist of it, so I am going to come up with an exercise for you:

Try to come up with a meaningful definition of the word "person" that includes humans and aliens, but not Geth. If you include qualities that specifically eliminate Geth (such as being made of metal or electronics), you must justify WHY you're including them, WHY that makes them different from organic beings, and WHY it excludes them from being "people".

I don't really care if you post your answers here, this is just something to think about. If you are honest with yourself and put some real thought into it, I have a feeling it may answer the question that your topic posed. Or, at least, it will give you some idea of why people think that way.

[binaryemperor]

The Geth are capable of controlling an entire section of the galaxy, have their own religions and civil disputes, and even show basic emotions. If they are not alive, then humans are just organic machines.

EDIT: Not to mention they are better dancers than Shepard.

Modifié par binaryemperor, 24 février 2010 - 08:52 .

[ReubenLiew]

Only if they don't start turning us into nutrient paste, I'm all up for welcoming our new machine overlords.

[Kekse2k]

binaryemperor wrote...
EDIT: Not to mention they are better dancers than Shepard.

Case closed.

[Mossa_missa]

If my computer culd walk around and question my commands it wuld be frigging anoying trying to play games on it... I wuld probably get a downgraded computer and play lan with the other one.