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[Gill Kaiser]

I predict that Bioware will bring back the 4 or 5 most popular ME2 squadmates (Tali, Garrus and Mordin will probably qualify), add Liara and maybe Ash/Kaidan, and introduce two new characters.

[magnuskn]

My supposition is that BioWare knows that most people will choose a save for ME3 in which all their squadmembers survived ( excepting those who hate a particular character ). So they will write the game as if all squadmembers have survived, putting "replacements" into crucial roles.



I.e. if someone lets Tali die ( Gods forbid ), then there won't be a new Quarian squadmember, but an NPC will take her role in any interaction with the Migrant fleet.

[Computron2000]

magnuskn wrote...

My supposition is that BioWare knows that most people will choose a save for ME3 in which all their squadmembers survived ( excepting those who hate a particular character ). So they will write the game as if all squadmembers have survived, putting "replacements" into crucial roles.

I.e. if someone lets Tali die ( Gods forbid ), then there won't be a new Quarian squadmember, but an NPC will take her role in any interaction with the Migrant fleet.

Or remove her lines completely and remove additional dialogue options that would have been available (such as the "I'll prove it" dialogue when you first meet tali in ME2 and have done her quest in ME1). Thats the easiest way out since ME2 already does it.

[BellaStrega]

Computron2000 wrote...

BellaStrega wrote...
That could be 2+  Liara +  Ashley or Kaiden.

Ugh, don't remind me of Ashley and Kaidan. Only managed to nuke 1 of those 2 in ME1

They have 2+ years to improve!

[VendettaI154]

I'm not sure if Tali will be recruitable. Depending on how you do her loyalty mission she mentions that people are talking about Tali taking her fathers place on the Admiralty board. Leads me to think maybe she's going to lead the Quarians into the war with the reapers.

[Zulu_DFA]

FlintlockJazz wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

FlintlockJazz wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

I think we'll get Liara, Ashley/Kaidan, Legion and around 5 new mercenary type characters with little to zero "daddy issues."

Why Legion may I ask?

1. Because they are all geth.

2. On the suicide mission only hardware can get destroyed. Organics write their wills prior to embarking on suicde missions. Geth make back-up copies of themselves.

I don't get the relevance of the first point, who are you refering to when you say they?  As to the second, I think Bioware intended Legion's death, if it occurs, to be final regardless of the actual technicalities that would prevent that (I like how they took a more realistic approach to artificial life still, not even BSG did it properly like this).  Plus, even if he can back himself up there is the problem that people may have given him over to Cerberus instead of waking him up, which would be the same as not recruiting him.  Personally, I can't see him being any more recruitable than the others in 3, but that's just me.

Relevance of #1 is that I am refering to whoever Legion was refering to while saying "We are all Geth and, we have not met." As to the eventuallity that Legion gets sold to Cerberus:
1. We have an example of Garrus, who could have been left on the Citadel for the Entire ME1 (however they were bound to meet at leas once), still recognises Shepard.
2. You can refrain fron doing any other recruiting mission, but the Legion's, becaus he is acquired diring a plot mission.
3. First thing TIM's going to do with an intact geth is to communicate with it. And the first thing Legion is going to tell TIM is to aks him to help out to deal with the heretics (Legion's primary objective, since Shepard was declared dead.) So the course of events from the Universes point of veiw may result in the same default consequences as for a new ME3 character. Heretic station mission is resolved not by Shepard, but by TIM, but still Legion has interest in Shepard, as he was the one to destroy the Old Machine Nazara.

[R34P3RR3D33M3R]

VendettaI154 wrote...

I'm not sure if Tali will be recruitable. Depending on how you do her loyalty mission she mentions that people are talking about Tali taking her fathers place on the Admiralty board. Leads me to think maybe she's going to lead the Quarians into the war with the reapers.

That's the biggest fear of the Tali lovers, and one of the main reason why the Tali thread is so huge I bet.
I sure hope there'll be some way to keep her in the crew, she was my favorite squadmember in both ME1 and ME2.

[Zulu_DFA]

Gill Kaiser wrote...

I predict that Bioware will bring back the 4 or 5 most popular ME2 squadmates (Tali, Garrus and Mordin will probably qualify), add Liara and maybe Ash/Kaidan, and introduce two new characters.

I got Tali and Mordin killed on the suicide mission. Am I screwed?

[Chronogryphon]

I agree with BellaStrega. This is ridiculous. They built up the squad in ME2 to be used in ME3. The only characters that I can possibly see not being in the squad in ME3 are Jacob and Miranda. They both work for Cerberus and Miranda is still completely loyal to them. Jacob doesn't seem to trust Cerberus, but he still believes they are the only ones doing anything about the Reaper threat. The way I see ME3 working is the more characters that you have survive in ME2 the more sidequest content will be available in ME3. If you let everyone die except for the two party members who go to the final fight with you, then don't expect to be doing much with your crew in ME3. It's as simple as that. Everyone is trying to read into this too much. If Bioware was truly concerned about costs for voice-acting, and such, they wouldn't be making games that require vast amounts of voice-acting and other resources! This thread seriously needs to end. None of us know what Bioware's plan is for ME3 and having people getting into pissing contests with each other over trying to predict what they are going to do with the finale, which is what this thread was ultimately destined to boil down to, is utterly meaningless.

[Arhka]

Jacob and Miranda won't betray you. If you bring Miranda to the reaper fight, she tells TIM that she resigns, and Jacob supports your idea of destroying the base and admits that Cerberus will probably come after them.

[smore006]

Zulu_DFA wrote...
I think we'll get Liara, Ashley/Kaidan, Legion and around 5 new mercenary type characters with little to zero "daddy issues."

There is another option, not unlike your idea:
Bioware could 'force' the player to save everyone - they make the 'default' ME3 with the most of the ME2 crew and those from ME1. If the player saved all those in ME2 - and i'm sure most of us did - (s)he will happily continue with the story, squad convos, personal missions (?) and the like included.
If the player let the squad die, (s)he gets the ME1 crewmembers + some no-name mercenaries/soldiers with next to nothing squad interaction and/or missions (aka Zaeed, even though he had a mission).

That way the voice acting wouldn't cost too much (at least not more than for ME2) and everyone would get what (s)he asked for. Also, massive consequences for letting the ME2 die. 

[FlintlockJazz]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

FlintlockJazz wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

FlintlockJazz wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

I think we'll get Liara, Ashley/Kaidan, Legion and around 5 new mercenary type characters with little to zero "daddy issues."

Why Legion may I ask?

1. Because they are all geth.

2. On the suicide mission only hardware can get destroyed. Organics write their wills prior to embarking on suicde missions. Geth make back-up copies of themselves.

I don't get the relevance of the first point, who are you refering to when you say they?  As to the second, I think Bioware intended Legion's death, if it occurs, to be final regardless of the actual technicalities that would prevent that (I like how they took a more realistic approach to artificial life still, not even BSG did it properly like this).  Plus, even if he can back himself up there is the problem that people may have given him over to Cerberus instead of waking him up, which would be the same as not recruiting him.  Personally, I can't see him being any more recruitable than the others in 3, but that's just me.

Relevance of #1 is that I am refering to whoever Legion was refering to while saying "We are all Geth and, we have not met." As to the eventuallity that Legion gets sold to Cerberus:
1. We have an example of Garrus, who could have been left on the Citadel for the Entire ME1 (however they were bound to meet at leas once), still recognises Shepard.
2. You can refrain fron doing any other recruiting mission, but the Legion's, becaus he is acquired diring a plot mission.
3. First thing TIM's going to do with an intact geth is to communicate with it. And the first thing Legion is going to tell TIM is to aks him to help out to deal with the heretics (Legion's primary objective, since Shepard was declared dead.) So the course of events from the Universes point of veiw may result in the same default consequences as for a new ME3 character. Heretic station mission is resolved not by Shepard, but by TIM, but still Legion has interest in Shepard, as he was the one to destroy the Old Machine Nazara.

Ah okay I understand now. 

I didn't get the impression that TiM was going to activate Legion but rather have him taken apart for study, though of course what TiM says he does and what TiM actually does is not always the same thing.  Likewise, I'm pretty sure you have to do Mordin's recruitment at least before you can do Horizon, though he dies easily in the suicide mission.  Jacob and Miranda are kinda forced on you from the start and Miranda is pretty hard to get killed off, but regardless Legion does have the best method of 'coming back from the dead' out of all of them.

[Gill Kaiser]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Gill Kaiser wrote...

I predict that Bioware will bring back the 4 or 5 most popular ME2 squadmates (Tali, Garrus and Mordin will probably qualify), add Liara and maybe Ash/Kaidan, and introduce two new characters.

I got Tali and Mordin killed on the suicide mission. Am I screwed?

Naa, you'd still have 7 characters to choose from, wouldn't you?

[ExtremeOne]

magnuskn wrote...

My supposition is that BioWare knows that most people will choose a save for ME3 in which all their squadmembers survived ( excepting those who hate a particular character ). So they will write the game as if all squadmembers have survived, putting "replacements" into crucial roles.

I.e. if someone lets Tali die ( Gods forbid ), then there won't be a new Quarian squadmember, but an NPC will take her role in any interaction with the Migrant fleet.

 


I do not like Tali and if she is dead in my Mass Effect 2 save then she better be dead in my Mass Effect 3 game because thats the choice I made 

[Pauravi]

The Capital Gaultier wrote...

Because every single voice actor's line needs to be scripted, edited, acted and localized.  Voice acting adds a lot of extra costs when you consider what has to be done in addition to just making the characters talk in the English version of the game.

Based on your reply you didn't even read what I wrote beyond the first sentence.  You didn't address any of the arguments I made.  In fact, the post you replied to already debunks, or at least calls into question, your reply to it.  FAIL.

[The Capital Gaultier]

Pauravi wrote...

The Capital Gaultier wrote...

Because every single voice actor's line needs to be scripted, edited, acted and localized.  Voice acting adds a lot of extra costs when you consider what has to be done in addition to just making the characters talk in the English version of the game.

Based on your reply you didn't even read what I wrote beyond the first sentence.  You didn't address any of the arguments I made.  In fact, the post you replied to already debunks, or at least calls into question, your reply to it.  FAIL.

I responded to the part that was most pertinent to your point.

[ExtremeOne]

smore006 wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...
I think we'll get Liara, Ashley/Kaidan, Legion and around 5 new mercenary type characters with little to zero "daddy issues."

There is another option, not unlike your idea:
Bioware could 'force' the player to save everyone - they make the 'default' ME3 with the most of the ME2 crew and those from ME1. If the player saved all those in ME2 - and i'm sure most of us did - (s)he will happily continue with the story, squad convos, personal missions (?) and the like included.
If the player let the squad die, (s)he gets the ME1 crewmembers + some no-name mercenaries/soldiers with next to nothing squad interaction and/or missions (aka Zaeed, even though he had a mission).

That way the voice acting wouldn't cost too much (at least not more than for ME2) and everyone would get what (s)he asked for. Also, massive consequences for letting the ME2 die. 

 


I totally disagree. Mass Effect 2 is about the choices a player makes and if that player hates certain squad mates and gets them killed off in his or her game then that means they are dead in the 3rd one. Bioware better not start forcing a you must get everyone to survive rule on ME 2 or that character will not be in ME 3. players should have a choice in ME 3 of who they want on the squad and who they do not.  

[R34P3RR3D33M3R]

ExtremeOne wrote...

magnuskn wrote...

My supposition is that BioWare knows that most people will choose a save for ME3 in which all their squadmembers survived ( excepting those who hate a particular character ). So they will write the game as if all squadmembers have survived, putting "replacements" into crucial roles.

I.e. if someone lets Tali die ( Gods forbid ), then there won't be a new Quarian squadmember, but an NPC will take her role in any interaction with the Migrant fleet.

 


I do not like Tali and if she is dead in my Mass Effect 2 save then she better be dead in my Mass Effect 3 game because thats the choice I made 

If she's dead in your ME2 save, she'll be dead in your ME3 if you import that save. That has been said more often than enough, and it's not what this thread is about.
There are still concerns that even the surviving squadmembers won't play a big role in ME3.

[Zulu_DFA]

To all of those who think recruitment of new characters requires a lot of lines of dialogue. The recruitment dialoge in ME1 (I don't remember the exact wording, but the number of line is correct):

Ashley:
- Williams, you're going with us, we need that beacon.
- Aye-aye, sir!

Garrus:
- Shepard, let me go with you after Saren!
- Why do you want to get Saren? He's a turian, like you.
- He is a crook, and I am a cop.
- Are you sure about that?
- Yes I am.
- Let's go then.

Tali:
- Shepard, let me go with you!
- I thought you're on your pilgrimage.
- Saving the galaxy is the best type of pilgrimage, isn't it? You saw me blowing away those hitmen in the alley, right?
- I still think you're to immature for that sort of thing.
Udina: Shepard, You shoud take her with you.
- If you say so, Ambassador.

Wrex:
- Shepard, hello.
- What do you want?
- You blew away Fist [I let him go], here is your money.
- What's the catch?
- No catch, I am the proudest krogan in the Galaxy. I heard you're going after Saren, take me with you.
- Why? Saren will pay you better.
- I don't fight for money, I just fight.
- Krogans are pain in the arse, get lost.
- I am not pain in the arse, I never taike aim at the captain of the ship.
- I say again, get lost. And pick bananas outta you ears... or whatever.
- Fine, I'll be in Cora's Den in case I got it all wrong and you didn't blow away Fist and he returns there.

Liara:
- Shepard, you wasted my mum, and blew up my dig site...
- Fine, I already have aliens on my boat, at least you're the one I can romance. But you have to see Dr. Chakwas first...
- Thank you, Shepard.

This makes an average of less then 6 lines per character.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 24 février 2010 - 12:10 .

[ExtremeOne]

Arhka wrote...

Jacob and Miranda won't betray you. If you bring Miranda to the reaper fight, she tells TIM that she resigns, and Jacob supports your idea of destroying the base and admits that Cerberus will probably come after them.

 



They are basically a lock to be in ME 3 and plus they are the 2 major squad mates from ME 2 

[Pauravi]

Chronogryphon wrote...

I agree with BellaStrega. This is ridiculous. They built up the squad in ME2 to be used in ME3. The only characters that I can possibly see not being in the squad in ME3 are Jacob and Miranda. They both work for Cerberus and Miranda is still completely loyal to them.

No she isn't.
If you bring her with to the last battle and choose to blow up the Collector base, TIM tells her to stop you.  She tells him to f-off and resigns then and there.

Jacob doesn't seem to trust Cerberus, but he still believes they are the only ones doing anything about the Reaper threat.

Between them and the Alliance maybe, but now that you're on the scene why wouldn't he leave Cerberus?  After all, YOU'RE doing something about the Reaper threat.

[ExtremeOne]

R34P3RR3D33M3R wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

magnuskn wrote...

My supposition is that BioWare knows that most people will choose a save for ME3 in which all their squadmembers survived ( excepting those who hate a particular character ). So they will write the game as if all squadmembers have survived, putting "replacements" into crucial roles.

I.e. if someone lets Tali die ( Gods forbid ), then there won't be a new Quarian squadmember, but an NPC will take her role in any interaction with the Migrant fleet.

 


I do not like Tali and if she is dead in my Mass Effect 2 save then she better be dead in my Mass Effect 3 game because thats the choice I made 

If she's dead in your ME2 save, she'll be dead in your ME3 if you import that save. That has been said more often than enough, and it's not what this thread is about.
There are still concerns that even the surviving squadmembers won't play a big role in ME3.

  


I agree there is a big concern when it comes to remaining squad mates from the end of ME 2 

[The Capital Gaultier]

Default137 wrote...

Well, voice actors are not paid by hour, they are paid by project, although this can change depending on who we are talking about, thus, no matter if its a five minute line, or a whole games worth of lines, they will still get paid lets say a hypothetical $1200 for a specific project.

Now, if your going to bring in someone for one line in a cameo, and it costs $1200 for their talents, you are going to use them more then that, story be damned, because you just spent $1200 on them, this is why many of the voice actors who came back to do cameos for characters like Helena Blake also did many other voices to, it allowed them to kill two birds with one stone.

Even if this were true (and I have no reason to disbelieve this information), those voice actors are going to be contracted to perform a certain amount of work - they won't perform unlimited work for the same amount of money as they would a few hours' work.

[Mox Ruuga]

Chronogryphon wrote...

I agree with BellaStrega. This is ridiculous. They built up the squad in ME2 to be used in ME3.

Has Bioware ever indicated anything of the sort? No, in fact they have said that certain characters were "benched" for the duration of ME2 to keep them safe and 100% available for ME3.

Bioware has never, to my knowledge, even hinted that the ME2 squad was for anything else beyond the destruction of the Collector threat.

Fans are jumping to the conclusion that ME3 will pick up five minutes after the suicide mission, and you are just going to start with the upgraded Normandy and your whole crew. Trust me, there will be shenanigans, which result in a tutorial where you once again meet the new male and female lead squaddies. Plus one expendable red shirt ala Jenkins or Wilson.

[Computron2000]

There aren't any real technical issues that prevents the ME2 people from coming back in ME3, heck it'll probably saves costs.

As for the budgeting concerns, i notice that the constant characters are not big names. Big names=big costs. Also as can be seen by hacking the ini, all characters have lines recorded that are never used (Tali's lines in Garrus's recruitment), this points to the costs being handled. In fact i'm guessing they tied the VAs to a 1 game contract with a 2 game option, ensuring costing is already done.

As for scripts and editing mentioned by someone earlier, those are a 1 time deal. Its written, edited, finalised and all localization of VAs are done using the same script with translations. Translation costs are not prohibitive compared to the various other costs. Local VA recruitment is also not that costly if you do not use big names. The local drama/community stage play people could do it cheap.

All in all, i don't see any major reason why ME2 peeps can come back in ME3

Modifié par Computron2000, 24 février 2010 - 12:15 .