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[Delanish]

 Hey i'm working on making a rogue 

Debating between Dalish Elf
Dwarf Commoner

Either melee or archery not sure which

anyways i'm just not sure where to put my skills and points

Perusade checks can be good as well as combat trainning i suppose the rest i can spread out?

but any general suggestions? for a noob rogue

[jsachun]

50+ on Strength or cunning for damage but not both. 30+ on Dex. 30+ on Will & 30+ on Cons. Rest is up to you.

[Delanish]

strength for a theif?

[ComplexP]

Dual weapon rogue is great. Get dexterity up as priority with cunning just behind. Lock pick is very useful and the duel weapon skill tree should be maxed out.

Also, assassin and duelist specs will help. Use two enchanted daggers with high powered elemantel runes in. Switch on momentum and the two handed strike thing. Have fun.

EDIT: As far as strength goes, I'd just get that to 20 to allow them to wear the superior drake skin armor from Wade in Denerim. Best rogue armor in the game imo.

Modifié par ComplexP, 24 février 2010 - 01:03 .

[jsachun]

Delanish wrote...

strength for a theif?

Strength contributes to all damage output for melee weapons & bows. So I'm suggesting you raise your strength. If you don't you need to spend talent points in to Below the Belt Tree till you get Lethality to use Cunning as the damage factor.

If you raise your strength you just need to spend talent points on Deft Hands Tree to make up for the cunning factor to disarm traps & unlock chests.

So one or the other but not both.

Either way you only need 22 on the other. 22 strength to wear a decent armor for rogues or 22 cunning to access 4th tier Stealth or Deft Hand talents. 

Modifié par jsachun, 24 février 2010 - 01:04 .

[Delanish]

should i invest in any talents in the rogue tree besides lock picking?

[Delanish]

below the belt, Shealth?

[Delanish]

it more about rogue talents i'm curious about

[x-president]

At least 1 stealth point is very useful.  It can also help you steal without having to increase the stealing line.

Also if you want the Slim Couldry quest you need at least 1 point in stealing to get it.  You can get good amounts of gold from that quest early.


If you wanna do more backstabbing, get the top Rogue line up to Coupe De Grace.

[DJ0000]

Get Lethality and go for cunning rather than strength this means that you don't have to spend many points on lockpicking and you'll be able to steal from very high targets that you've never been able to before.



Also, cunning maximises backstab damage especially with the right gear and talents. You can end up being a real demon of a damager this way.



I would go for the top line up to coupe de grace, the whole lethality line and stealth from the rogue tree. Lockpicking can be suplimented with cunning so you won't need all four levels of it. Assasin is a pefect spec for a backstabbing rogue aswell.

[JosieJ]

Cunning also contributes to armor penetration and Coercion (persuade). It contributes to so many rogue-focused skills and talents that I would never advise a rogue to take STR over CUN. (DEX vs. CUN is a whole 'nother argument!)

[soteria]

Three points in stealth--you'll thank yourself--Lethality, Coup de Grace, and Momentum plus specialization talents will give you a great backstabbing rogue. If you invest your points in dexterity and cunning, you'll do good damage. Don't bother with strength past 20. Trust me, I've done rogues with high strength (for full-sized weapons) and I've done min-strength rogues with high cunning, and the high cunning route was much better.



For a rogue using daggers (and you should use dual daggers), dexterity does everything strength does, and more.

[DJ0000]

soteria wrote...

Three points in stealth--you'll thank yourself--Lethality, Coup de Grace, and Momentum plus specialization talents will give you a great backstabbing rogue. If you invest your points in dexterity and cunning, you'll do good damage. Don't bother with strength past 20. Trust me, I've done rogues with high strength (for full-sized weapons) and I've done min-strength rogues with high cunning, and the high cunning route was much better.

For a rogue using daggers (and you should use dual daggers), dexterity does everything strength does, and more.

Yeah I started a str based rogue and got str to 30 so I could use Starfang, afer level 9 though I switched to cunning and it was just incredible how much more damage a cunning rogue can do with just daggers.

Str 20 is all you need for the best rogue gear, go cunning definately.

[Delanish]

now what orgin story would be best for a rogue?

[Wicked 702]

DJ0000 wrote...

soteria wrote...

Three points in stealth--you'll thank yourself--Lethality, Coup de Grace, and Momentum plus specialization talents will give you a great backstabbing rogue. If you invest your points in dexterity and cunning, you'll do good damage. Don't bother with strength past 20. Trust me, I've done rogues with high strength (for full-sized weapons) and I've done min-strength rogues with high cunning, and the high cunning route was much better.

For a rogue using daggers (and you should use dual daggers), dexterity does everything strength does, and more.

Yeah I started a str based rogue and got str to 30 so I could use Starfang, afer level 9 though I switched to cunning and it was just incredible how much more damage a cunning rogue can do with just daggers.

Str 20 is all you need for the best rogue gear, go cunning definately.

Gotta agree with both of you. I built my dual dagger rogue similarly to this. Momentum is godly and a definite must.

My personal favorite armor for the rogue is the Felon's Coat, bought from Wade's shop. I think wearing that, the Helm of Honnleath, the highest level rogue gloves that give like +15% critial/backstab damage/chance or something, and boots like maybe the Cadash Stompers is a good mix.

[Wicked 702]

Delanish wrote...

now what orgin story would be best for a rogue?

I don't want to spoil anything for you.

The Human Noble story fits a rogue fairly well. If you've done that one already then you probably know why.

[Delanish]

my human noble is a two hander warrior stuck on branka

[Wicked 702]

Delanish wrote...

my human noble is a two hander warrior stuck on branka

Ah well then, I am referring to the fact that your mother is a Ranger.

Playing a female HN made sense because I followed in my mother's tradition.

[Delanish]

aww i was thinking maybe a dwarf commoner thug or a dalish archer. even a city elf scout

Modifié par Delanish, 25 février 2010 - 02:40 .

[jsachun]

I'd rather a strength based rogue because dex based dodging & evasive actions don't work while your are in the process of attacking so the rogue still take a lot of damage in combat. Therefore its always best to wear the heaviest armor possible to counter this.
Only time a light armor has advantage over a heavy armor is when you are an archer. As archers take speed penalty for wearing massive armor. But I still outfit my archer with the heaviest armor possible.

Modifié par jsachun, 25 février 2010 - 09:46 .

[mosspit]

jsachun wrote...

I'd rather a strength based rogue because dex based dodging & evasive actions don't work while your are in the process of attacking so the rogue still take a lot of damage in combat....

erm seriously... my advise to you is to have a flame shield on standby... chances are you're gonna need it....

[jsachun]

mosspit wrote...

jsachun wrote...

I'd rather a strength based rogue because dex based dodging & evasive actions don't work while your are in the process of attacking so the rogue still take a lot of damage in combat....

erm seriously... my advise to you is to have a flame shield on standby... chances are you're gonna need it....

Urm, come again?

[Hahren]

jsachun wrote...

mosspit wrote...

jsachun wrote...

I'd rather a strength based rogue because dex based dodging & evasive actions don't work while your are in the process of attacking so the rogue still take a lot of damage in combat....

erm seriously... my advise to you is to have a flame shield on standby... chances are you're gonna need it....

Urm, come again?

A characters defense or chance to avoid (a trait from items, or talent in the case of rogues) is always active in combat. The chance to avoid even has it's own animation which can, and will interupt your normal attack swing.

[jsachun]

Hahren wrote...

jsachun wrote...

mosspit wrote...

jsachun wrote...

I'd rather a strength based rogue because dex based dodging & evasive actions don't work while your are in the process of attacking so the rogue still take a lot of damage in combat....

erm seriously... my advise to you is to have a flame shield on standby... chances are you're gonna need it....

Urm, come again?

A characters defense or chance to avoid (a trait from items, or talent in the case of rogues) is always active in combat. The chance to avoid even has it's own animation which can, and will interupt your normal attack swing.

Not when you are using talents. I don't use normal melee attack unless I have to, because at high level they just don't hit.

Modifié par jsachun, 25 février 2010 - 01:41 .