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[damage incorp96]

I had a thought about Haestrom. Stick with me it may take some explaining. At the end of me2, the epic scene of the Reapers approaching the galaxy didn't look right to me. The Milky Way is a spiral galaxy, but this looked more like a ring galaxy:

http://zuserver2.sta...oag_hst_big.jpg
or
http://www.twinlitwo...l/ringalaxy.jpg
First I though maybe Bioware got it wrong, but I don't think so. They show the Milky Way correctly in the galaxy map on the SR2, and it would be just as easy to show a spiral galaxy as a ring one in that end scene.
So question is why would the Reapers be heading for a different galaxy? Don't know?  
But, here's my theory. What if at the heart of Dholen (Haestrom's sun) there is a massive Mass Effect relay, enabling travel not within our galaxy, but to a different Galaxy. Reapers have shown they have Tech that will keep a whole base safe in the galactic core, so why not in a sun.
A sun has 2 forces. Gravity trying to implode it and nuclear fission trying to explode it (like our sun). As long as this 'dance' is going on, sun is stable (as stable as nuclear explosion can be). So if there is a massive Mass Effect relay in the middle, it would throw off dark energy readings and also throw off this 'dance' of opposing forces, which could cause it to 'die' quicker. It would also explain why heretic geth are there. They could either be trying to open the relay as is, or to 'slough off' the sun to use the relay. Any takers on theory, or just too weird?

[Madame November]

That's very interesting, but I am missing how anything could exist at the heart of all that power and hold together. How would the ships approach it? No matter how protected you are you can't fly into a star. Something is definitely going on with that star, though, and I like the way you think.

[Daewan]

There is definitely something inside Haestrom's sun. The timing gives it away. It is most probably something related to the Reapers - note that the change was originally gradual but has been increasing lately, coinciding with Nazara/Sovereign's original failure to awaken the Keepers.



Also, it doesn't even have to be a massive Relay. Just one or two Reapers would be enough to start opening relays for the rest of them.

[damage incorp96]

November Cousland wrote...

That's very interesting, but I am missing how anything could exist at the heart of all that power and hold together. How would the ships approach it? No matter how protected you are you can't fly into a star. Something is definitely going on with that star, though, and I like the way you think.

Not sure how something could survive in the middle of the sun? The Reapers have tech to survive at the galatic core, which has high radiation, and black holes. There could be a mass effect shield with the relay at the core. As for surviving in the core, you couldn't. But, in game they talk about  'drift' when coming thru a relay, so you come out beside the relay?
I just know something is going on there and I like hearing other people are interested also.

[damage incorp96]

Daewan wrote...

There is definitely something inside Haestrom's sun. The timing gives it away. It is most probably something related to the Reapers - note that the change was originally gradual but has been increasing lately, coinciding with Nazara/Sovereign's original failure to awaken the Keepers.

Also, it doesn't even have to be a massive Relay. Just one or two Reapers would be enough to start opening relays for the rest of them.

Change in the readings could be Relay, or Reapers 'waking' or charging up? But if it is a few Reapers, how do they plan on getting others there? 

[Madame November]

damage incorp96 wrote...

November Cousland wrote...

That's very interesting, but I am missing how anything could exist at the heart of all that power and hold together. How would the ships approach it? No matter how protected you are you can't fly into a star. Something is definitely going on with that star, though, and I like the way you think.

Not sure how something could survive in the middle of the sun? The Reapers have tech to survive at the galatic core, which has high radiation, and black holes. There could be a mass effect shield with the relay at the core. As for surviving in the core, you couldn't. But, in game they talk about  'drift' when coming thru a relay, so you come out beside the relay?
I just know something is going on there and I like hearing other people are interested also.

I didn't think about the drift...hmmm....

[Reptilian Rob]

DrathanGervaise wrote...

Hell, BioWare might as well. I'm pretty sure the only sci fi plot device they haven't even touched yet is time travel.

That and the "I am your father" plot device.

Harbinger: "Shepard, I am YOU FATHER"!

Shepard: "NOOOOOOOOO!!!!........Oh wait really? Awesome!"

[SmilingMirror]

Maybe Shepherd is his own father (or mother).


...and a reaper.

Modifié par SmilingMirror, 24 février 2010 - 07:10 .

[the120Truth]

I think the sun is dying quickly because somehow it game in contact with Conrad Verner. Things always die quickly when they come in contact with Conrad Verner.

[Siansonea]

A sufficiently powerful mass effect field could create an envelope of survivable space near a mass relay inside the star, if there was one inside. When signaled, it could activate a "landing strip" to guide a vessel into the star toward the encapsulated relay. Such a relay would more than likely not be at the very center of the star. This is an interesting theory, and I'm sure the problem with Haestrom's star is an important plot point for ME3. The Reapers aren't going to just sit in dark space and wring their mechanical hands. They're busily working on Plan B to invade the Milky Way and reap what they've sown.

[withateethuh]

So...how exactly did they get it in there in the first place?

[cruc1al]

Wrong forum

[Aegis217]

I believe what we saw in the final cutscene was indeed the Milky Way. If you look at this picture.
http://img25.imagesh...aygalaxysun.jpg

Then watch the end of this video (@8:10)


You'll see the core of the galaxy. My guess is that the reapers are actually much closer than anyone actually believed them to be.

Modifié par Aegis217, 24 février 2010 - 09:19 .

[Captain Crash]

 Well heres the end screen shot,    you can see the majority of it in between the Reapers:





Heres the galaxy map for ME:

[swk3000]

First, I'm forced to agree that the Reapers are not headed towards the Milky Way galaxy. Makes you wonder exactly what the heck they plan to do in a completely different galaxy.



Second, none of these theories accounts for the Dark Matter readings Tali and her team noted in Haestrom's sun.

[damage incorp96]

Aegis217 wrote...

I believe what we saw in the final cutscene was indeed the Milky Way. If you look at this picture.
http://img25.imagesh...aygalaxysun.jpg

Then watch the end of this video (@8:10)


You'll see the core of the galaxy. My guess is that the reapers are actually much closer than anyone actually believed them to be.

I don't buy it Mr. Reaper . If you look at the cut scene and look at one of the ring galaxies I posted on the 1st post, they look the same. There are no spirals on the Reaper video. Pause it and take a look w/ the ring galaxy next to it. Look almost identical. The ring galaxies have a bright core also.

[damage incorp96]

swk3000 wrote...

First, I'm forced to agree that the Reapers are not headed towards the Milky Way galaxy. Makes you wonder exactly what the heck they plan to do in a completely different galaxy.

Second, none of these theories accounts for the Dark Matter readings Tali and her team noted in Haestrom's sun.

Reading are dark energy, same stuff that are used for biotics and mass effect relays

[damage incorp96]

Captain Crash wrote...

 Well heres the end screen shot,    you can see the majority of it in between the Reapers:





Heres the galaxy map for ME:

Here's a ring Galaxy as seen from Hubble. Looks like what was is the end scene to me.

[Nostradamoose]

My main theory is this Haelstrom and Maelstrom are semantically very similar.



Therefore Haelstrom's sun is becoming a Maelstrom, more specifically, a wormhole.

[Roxlimn]

No. If my suspicions are correct, then Haestrom is... ...a Reaper. A SOLAR Reaper.

[EverteMax]

Let's just assume the reapers at the end scene is coming to THE galaxy in ME ok?

Why would the game end on the reapers going to another galaxy and not the one you are saving? They are going far with sci fi but it's still a game. You are going to save something that is dire.

As for the sun? The only thing I can say is that there's a mass effect field in action at the core. Look at the derelict reaper with an active mass effect field. It has kept itself from being pulled in by the gravity of the brown dwarf for 37mil yrs! It may be a weapon, a relay (as above posters have mentioned) or well, a dormant uber reaper.

Modifié par EverteMax, 24 février 2010 - 11:51 .

[damage incorp96]

Sorry, someone posted that this is in the wrong forum, moved to Mass effect quests & storylines....

[withateethuh]

Uh...they're definitely going towards a spiral galaxy. And unless they're going to kill the narrative with crazy plot twists like you people are suggesting, then that is the Milky Way.



That picture is obviously a spiral.

[Mavkiel]

My conspiracy theory, reapers saw the threat the geth could pose before they broke free from the Qurians. So they started up a weapons program to neutralize that threat. If I recall right the star started acting up before the geth even started getting upity.



So my guess its a large black hole generating weapon. After-all aren't biotics powered by dark energy? And adepts can create singularity's.. So the opening scene in me3 might be the geth getting hammered.