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[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

PoliteAssasin wrote...

Collider wrote...

If he's unloyal:
Have him be the escort for the crew.
Take him with you to fight the human reaper.

Not sure, but he also might die if you use him as diversion leader, loyal or not.

Is it possible to take one loyal person and one who isn't to fight the terminator and only one of your squadmates survives the fall, but the other one dies? Like if i brought Miranda, had her loyal, and Zaeed, not loyal. We fall. will he be dead, and she alive?

Yes any non-loyal people you take to the final battle will end up dead.

mikeut2k3 wrote...

Lichenstien, the only thing I havent tried is doing his loyalty mission after the suicide mission.

Try that then, I know it works because i just did it myself today for the first time

As Ecael pointed out earlier, he yells out "SHEPHERD!" just before he goes BOOM (although you don't see him get boomed) but am sorry Bioware, if he survives that then that is just wrong

[Ecael]

PoliteAssasin wrote...

Collider wrote...

If he's unloyal:
Have him be the escort for the crew.
Take him with you to fight the human reaper.

Not sure, but he also might die if you use him as diversion leader, loyal or not.

Is it possible to take one loyal person and one who isn't to fight the terminator and only one of your squadmates survives the fall, but the other one dies? Like if i brought Miranda, had her loyal, and Zaeed, not loyal. We fall. will he be dead, and she alive?

Yes. However, two things will happen:

1. The people holding the line survive, giving you Miranda + them.
2. The people holding the line don't survive, Miranda disappears going back to the Normandy, and you die.

[Ecael]

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...
Try that then, I know it works because i just did it myself today for the first time

As Ecael pointed out earlier, he yells out "SHEPHERD!" just before he goes BOOM (although you don't see him get boomed) but am sorry Bioware, if he survives that then that is just wrong

So there really isn't any way to kill him before then? I thought having all 11 characters recruited gave you the opportunity.

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

Ecael wrote...

PoliteAssasin wrote...

Collider wrote...

If he's unloyal:
Have him be the escort for the crew.
Take him with you to fight the human reaper.

Not sure, but he also might die if you use him as diversion leader, loyal or not.

Is it possible to take one loyal person and one who isn't to fight the terminator and only one of your squadmates survives the fall, but the other one dies? Like if i brought Miranda, had her loyal, and Zaeed, not loyal. We fall. will he be dead, and she alive?

Yes. However, two things will happen:

1. The people holding the line survive, giving you Miranda + them.
2. The people holding the line don't survive, Miranda disappears going back to the Normandy, and you die.

or...

3. A 'super squishy' non loyal person holding the line will die, leaving you the rest that are with them + miranda and shep will survive.

Regarding Zaeed dying if got the original 10, not sure, but considering how sometimes recruiting legion and doing his loyalty quest fires up the abduction sequence at the next event be quite hard to test that unless went to do zaeed's mission before legion.

hang on I'll go 'try it'

Modifié par Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien, 01 mars 2010 - 03:17 .

[Ecael]

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

Ecael wrote...

PoliteAssasin wrote...

Collider wrote...

If he's unloyal:
Have him be the escort for the crew.
Take him with you to fight the human reaper.

Not sure, but he also might die if you use him as diversion leader, loyal or not.

Is it possible to take one loyal person and one who isn't to fight the terminator and only one of your squadmates survives the fall, but the other one dies? Like if i brought Miranda, had her loyal, and Zaeed, not loyal. We fall. will he be dead, and she alive?

Yes. However, two things will happen:

1. The people holding the line survive, giving you Miranda + them.
2. The people holding the line don't survive, Miranda disappears going back to the Normandy, and you die.

or...

3. A 'super squishy' non loyal person holding the line will die, leaving you the rest that are with them + miranda and shep will survive.

Or this. Forgot to add it!

[Aisynia]

Zaeed can hold the line practically by himself.

You know. Because he's badass.

Modifié par Aisynia, 01 mars 2010 - 03:25 .

[Ecael]

Aisynia wrote...

Zaeed can hold the line practically by himself.

You know. Because he's badass.

I won't question that.

I think non-loyal Grunt, non-loyal Garrus and non-loyal Zaeed are all capable of holding the line by themselves. Non-loyal Grunt is almost a certainty.

[Jaron Oberyn]

Ecael wrote...

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

Ecael wrote...

PoliteAssasin wrote...

Collider wrote...

If he's unloyal:
Have him be the escort for the crew.
Take him with you to fight the human reaper.

Not sure, but he also might die if you use him as diversion leader, loyal or not.

Is it possible to take one loyal person and one who isn't to fight the terminator and only one of your squadmates survives the fall, but the other one dies? Like if i brought Miranda, had her loyal, and Zaeed, not loyal. We fall. will he be dead, and she alive?

Yes. However, two things will happen:

1. The people holding the line survive, giving you Miranda + them.
2. The people holding the line don't survive, Miranda disappears going back to the Normandy, and you die.

or...

3. A 'super squishy' non loyal person holding the line will die, leaving you the rest that are with them + miranda and shep will survive.

Or this. Forgot to add it!

How does Miranda get lost and you die? I've never seen that before. So as long as the person who is holding the line is loyal, Zaeed will die, Miranda and i will survive, and we'll all pull through?

[Aisynia]

Yeah but if you are on an intentional bloodbath playthrough where everyone possible dies, he will still die if you have someone like Mordin with him. this is because you need 2 people alive. If he is the last one alive, he automatically suffers plot death.. at least, this is as far as I understand it.



Also, his communication to Shep when holding the line is priceless!



Shepard: Shepard to ground team. Status report.

Zaeed: Zaeed here. Situation is FUBAR! Collectors all over us! We need evac now!



lol just more ways he is awesome.

[Big I]

With regards to Zaeed's loyalty mission:

I believe there are certain quest outcomes that are only available if your Renegade score is larger than your Paragon, or vice versa. For instance, when you confront the batarian bartender, I was given the option to let him go unharmed, and I've heard that other players had the opportunity to shoot him themselves. On Zaeed's loyalty quest, whenever I've done it there has never been an option to leave him behind in the fire, but it is clear it exists.

[Ecael]

PoliteAssasin wrote...

How does Miranda get lost and you die? I've never seen that before. So as long as the person who is holding the line is loyal, Zaeed will die, Miranda and i will survive, and we'll all pull through?

If only one squadmate out of all the people you bring survives, then the game forces you to die because you don't have the necessary two squadmates. The squadmate who lives will jump onto the ship, but will disappear when you try to make the jump. However, the game would rather let someone holding the line survive (to satisfy the 2 required) than for this to happen.

Yeah but if you are on an intentional bloodbath playthrough where
everyone possible dies, he will still die if you have someone like
Mordin with him. this is because you need 2 people alive. If he is the
last one alive, he automatically suffers plot death.. at least, this is
as far as I understand it.

I went for a total bloodbath playthrough and had non-loyal Zaeed and non-loyal Samara hold the line. They both survived.

Zaeed is ridiculously tough. It's unfortunate that he's not a good leader (getting betrayed and all), otherwise he could have led the Blue Suns to a more... Paragon path.

Modifié par Ecael, 01 mars 2010 - 03:35 .

[Ecael]

LookingGlass93 wrote...

With regards to Zaeed's loyalty mission:

I believe there are certain quest outcomes that are only available if your Renegade score is larger than your Paragon, or vice versa. For instance, when you confront the batarian bartender, I was given the option to let him go unharmed, and I've heard that other players had the opportunity to shoot him themselves. On Zaeed's loyalty quest, whenever I've done it there has never been an option to leave him behind in the fire, but it is clear it exists.

That complicates things. If Paragon/Renegade affect the choices that appear on the right side of the wheel, why didn't they color them Blue/Red/Grey as well?

[Jaron Oberyn]

Ecael wrote...

PoliteAssasin wrote...

How does Miranda get lost and you die? I've never seen that before. So as long as the person who is holding the line is loyal, Zaeed will die, Miranda and i will survive, and we'll all pull through?

If only one squadmate out of all the people you bring survives, then the game forces you to die because you don't have the necessary two squadmates. The squadmate who lives will jump onto the ship, but will disappear when you try to make the jump. However, the game would rather let someone holding the line survive (to satisfy the 2 required) than for this to happen.

Yeah but if you are on an intentional bloodbath playthrough where
everyone possible dies, he will still die if you have someone like
Mordin with him. this is because you need 2 people alive. If he is the
last one alive, he automatically suffers plot death.. at least, this is
as far as I understand it.

I went for a total bloodbath playthrough and had non-loyal Zaeed and non-loyal Samara hold the line. They both survived.

Zaeed is ridiculously tough. It's unfortunate that he's not a good leader (getting betrayed and all), otherwise he could have led the Blue Suns to a more... Paragon path.

So your saying that as long as the person who's holding the line is loyal and alive, then even if Zaeed died they will fill his spot? So miranda won't disappear and i won't die?

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

Okay just used the same Shepherd that I earlier left Zaeed to die on his loyalty mission AFTER the suicide mission to try doing it before going through the relay (with crew already abducted) and I didn't get the 'leave you here' option. So that to me sounds like it is definitly a 'post-suicide mission only' choice. This was with a 100% paragon less than 20% renegade Shepherd.

[Ecael]

PoliteAssasin wrote...

So your saying that as long as the person who's holding the line is loyal and alive, then even if Zaeed died they will fill his spot? So miranda won't disappear and i won't die?

At the very worst, 1 will die holding the line and the other holder will survive. Who dies is determined by loyalty and their ability to defend (Mordin, Tali and Jack are the worst).

[Ecael]

LookingGlass93 wrote...

With regards to Zaeed's loyalty mission:

I believe there are certain quest outcomes that are only available if your Renegade score is larger than your Paragon, or vice versa. For instance, when you confront the batarian bartender, I was given the option to let him go
unharmed, and I've heard that other players had the opportunity to shoot him themselves. On Zaeed's loyalty quest, whenever I've done it there has never been an option to leave him behind in the fire, but it is clear it exists

I think Sir Ulrich was able to just debunk this with Zaeed:

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

Okay just used the same Shepherd that I earlier left Zaeed to die on his loyalty mission AFTER the suicide mission to try doing it before going through the relay (with crew already abducted) and I didn't get the 'leave you here' option. So that to me sounds like it is definitly a 'post-suicide mission only' choice. This was with a 100% paragon less than 20% renegade Shepherd.

Modifié par Ecael, 01 mars 2010 - 03:44 .

[Amethyst Deceiver]

PoliteAssasin wrote...

How does Miranda get lost and you die? I've never seen that before. So as long as the person who is holding the line is loyal, Zaeed will die, Miranda and i will survive, and we'll all pull through?

it happens if all the remaining squad holding the line dies (as well as the escort, if there was one). the game will not allow you to live if you have less than 2 live squad memebers in total at the end.

Modifié par Amethyst Deceiver, 01 mars 2010 - 03:44 .

[Jaron Oberyn]

Ok then guys, thanks for the answers

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

With regards batarian bartender, dunno where you heard you can shoot him. The renegade option for him is that he drinks the drink himself and ends up dead whilst the paragon option is that you shout out about poisoning and then the turian nearby shoots him. That is for the left hand side stuff, can't remember what the right hand stuff is but none of the right hand stuff is influenced by paragon/renegade scores.

[Big I]

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

With regards batarian bartender, dunno where you heard you can shoot him. The renegade option for him is that he drinks the drink himself and ends up dead whilst the paragon option is that you shout out about poisoning and then the turian nearby shoots him. That is for the left hand side stuff, can't remember what the right hand stuff is but none of the right hand stuff is influenced by paragon/renegade scores.

Letting him go was a right side option, after asking him why he poisoned you; turns out humans killed his family. It was the middle option, and it is as far as I know the only way to let him live and resolve the quest. I heard about shooting him somewhere on these boards, and I assumed it replaced the "let him go option." Taken together with my inability to let Zaeed die, I assumed this meant there existed unique options based on morality score.


Edit: Also, it seems that the bartenders' family was killed by Jacob on Bekke in Mass Effect Galaxy, so it's probably worth bringing him along to the confrontation.

Modifié par LookingGlass93, 02 mars 2010 - 01:50 .

[Zulu_DFA]

No, there is no way to kill Zaeed, because he is too stubborn.

Also this.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 01 mars 2010 - 04:50 .

[Aisynia]

Damn right.

[CyanDeadEye]

Watching him burn is quite entertaining to say the least, all the anger and animosity right in that moment.

[CipherNine]

If you kill him, he'll come back from the dead and be the boss fight in ME3. And yes, he will be a glowing metal skeleton boss just like the other two.

[E71]

This is really getting on my nerves.

No DLCs installed:

Everyone loyal and max points

Part 1
Legion - Tech
Garrus - Distraction Team

Part 2
Samara - Biotic
Miranda - Team 2 Lead
Jack - Escort

Part 3
Garrus & Miranda

Everything works fine, all survive.

Now, install Zaeed DLC,

Made loyal so that I can do Legion's loyalty mission.

Repeated same team selection as above except either: Zaeed as Team 2 Lead or escort, he dies but then at the end when I ask for a status report Mordin is shown dead...

okay... so I sent off Mordin as escort and Zaeed as Team 2 Leader, once again Zaeed dies but this time Tali doesn't survive the hold the line mission...

What the hell is going on? How do I kill Zaed without losing any other member?

Can't even uninstall Zaeed's DLC so I can kill him during the loyal mission AFTER the last mission...