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[casedawgz]

Tsuga C wrote...

You're paying for new spells, classes, etc., not just a new, somewhat brief story with the same engine.

Yes, but I assume this new stuff can only be used in said brief story. If they made it so all of the new abilities and specializations showed up in DA:O, it would probably increase the value. But I bet they won't. After Lost and Damned, its hard to play the original GTA4, because they vastly improved the motorcycle physics for the expansion and left them the way they were in GTA4. I'm expecting similar in DA:A.

[flem1]

Alandros wrote...

If you want to bring the value to hour comparisson many games $40+ are that long or less, so sorry but that comparison simply fails.

Except I don't buy those games.

[flem1]

goofygoff wrote...

My first DA:O playthrough clocked in at about 25 hours.

12-15 hours for an expansion would be just fine with me.

Except at your speed, it would be maybe 5 hours.

[ehuntington]

I'm really surprised there's so many people willing to spend $40 on only 15 hours. The comparisons to other games don't really hold here. This is an expansion pack. The engine's done, and Bioware has a bank of art assets to use. I don't get the $40 price tag. It really is overpriced for a game like this. It would be like paying $40 to play the Redcliff part of Dragon Age: Origins. It doesn't make sense. I guess I would understand if most of Awakening also transferred back to Origins, but it doesn't. Awakening is a self-contained story that requires Origins and still costs $40. It's stupid, and I can't believe the people lining up to justify it.

[Dansayshi]

Im just hoping its not incredibly bland like RTO. It felt real cheap, using 4 areas, 3 of which were already in the game, the same weapons and armour weve already seen, just retextured. Still, cant complain for 3 quid. Id really like to know more about awakening tho b4 I spend more tho, perhaps closer to the 18th.

[Alandros]

ehuntington wrote...

I'm really surprised there's so many people willing to spend $40 on only 15 hours. The comparisons to other games don't really hold here. This is an expansion pack. The engine's done, and Bioware has a bank of art assets to use. I don't get the $40 price tag. It really is overpriced for a game like this. It would be like paying $40 to play the Redcliff part of Dragon Age: Origins. It doesn't make sense. I guess I would understand if most of Awakening also transferred back to Origins, but it doesn't. Awakening is a self-contained story that requires Origins and still costs $40. It's stupid, and I can't believe the people lining up to justify it.

People often pay as much or more for less time so why are you surprised.  A quality experience is awesome and worth it.  The original game had an undeniably great value, they don't have to match that value to still deliver a good one.  You think it's stupid, many do not, your opinion isn't the only one.

[Posioned]

I'm still on the fence about it. $45 is quite a bit of money. Although I might end up getting it and just splitting the cost with the two other people who play the game besides me.

[Noilly Prat]

The way I figure it, it's pretty straightforward. We know more or less what we'll be getting here and what it's going to cost. That's more than we can say for most new games which we have not played and for which we lack an easy reference. If we like DA:O enough to want more of that sort of thing, and think forty dollars is a reasonable price tag for what we know we're getting, we will buy it. If not, we won't. No justifications necessary, I think.



From what we hear, it sounds as though the amount of new content added, in terms of both story content and new loot and specializations and talents and such, is comparable to previous BioWare expansions. So why would we expect a full blown sequel's worth of content to begin with?

[Tsuga C]

casedawgz wrote...

Tsuga C wrote...

You're paying for new spells, classes, etc., not just a new, somewhat brief story with the same engine.

Yes, but I assume this new stuff can only be used in said brief story. If they made it so all of the new abilities and specializations showed up in DA:O, it would probably increase the value. But I bet they won't. After Lost and Damned, its hard to play the original GTA4, because they vastly improved the motorcycle physics for the expansion and left them the way they were in GTA4. I'm expecting similar in DA:A.

Do we know for a fact that the new classes, spells, etc. are only useable in Awakenings?  If so, then someone at EA/BioWare needs to lay off the wackyweed because that makes profoundly little sense. 

[dunachar]

I just don't understand how they can justify all these negatives and add so little..........yet ask us to drop 40 bucks on it. Im gonna do it, but im not happy about it..........its a shame really.

[casedawgz]

dunachar wrote...

I just don't understand how they can justify all these negatives and add so little..........yet ask us to drop 40 bucks on it. Im gonna do it, but im not happy about it..........its a shame really.

The fact that you're still gonna do it is how they justify it. $$$.

[Tsuga C]

Just wait until it's a bundled package a la Neverwinter Nights Diamond Edition or some such, then it'll be a worthwhile bargain...maybe. 

Modifié par Tsuga C, 24 février 2010 - 09:02 .

[Schurge]

So... people seemed to expect the expansion to be thirty hours long?



Look at it this way, its now 15 less hours of disappointment!!

[Sylvius the Mad]

I do question the judgment of making it a stand-alone adventure. I prefer expansions in he style of Tales of the Sword Coast where it's just a massive side-quest (or series of sidequests) which can be done as part of the main game.

Having an entirely separate story is the role of a sequel.

[Querne]

It doesn´t matter if you buy it happy, careless or mad.
There is no discount for being unsaticfied. I´m quite sure, furthermore, that EA won´t be sleepless because of your facial expression clicking the buy-button.

The main game is at 42,90 EUR in Germany, Awakening at 37,90..
Even without the mostly disappointing FAQs that would be ridiculous.

I rather cut my mouse hand off than paying over 50 $ for something that seems like a expanded DLC for me so far.

Modifié par Querne, 24 février 2010 - 09:11 .

[Viglin]

Excalibur6 wrote...

I read in the pc gamer review. i dont know if thats the main quest or everything included how ever...
Not very long considering the price, compared to the orginal... oh well

Link please? And your not actually rolling over with information are you.

And one mans 15-20 hours can be anothers 60-100.

[Querne]

Viglin wrote...

And one mans 15-20 hours can be anothers 60-100.

Yes, if the another man is blind, armless and has to tip with his nose.
But usually such are not taken as example to describe the length of a game.
Mr. Gaider didn´t  reject in the older thread, that length is about 20 hours but only defended that length has nothing to do with quality.
Of cause that is right, but I still prefer a good meal instead of one fantastic caviar egg.

Modifié par Querne, 24 février 2010 - 09:24 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Like Wrex would say: "Better than I'd feared. Worse than I'd hoped".
It's fine.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 24 février 2010 - 09:25 .

[Tsuga C]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
It's fine.

Not if the spells, abilities, classes, etc. aren't backwards compatible.  It was done for the NWN series and that's a precedent that needs to continue.

[d0de]

I am probably going to get about 5 play throughs out of it. New Warden, My arcane warrior mage warden who splits into two endings, my dwarf noble, my human nobel who became king. I am also a completionist so lets say 20 hrs * 5 play throughs will =100 hours of entertainment for 40 bucks. Good deal to me.

[Viglin]

Querne wrote...

Viglin wrote...

And one mans 15-20 hours can be anothers 60-100.

Yes, if the another man is blind, armless and has to tip with his nose.
But usually such are not taken as example to describe the length of a game.
Mr. Gaider didn´t  reject in the older thread, that length is about 20 hours but only defended that length has nothing to do with quality.
Of cause that is right, but I still prefer a good meal instead of one fantastic caviar egg.

Or not a power hungry eltist zerger?

And if you going by Dev posts in the Links Press thread....a recent one stated that Awakenings is as long as Orgrins.

And lm still waiting for a link to this Pc review.......

[flem1]

dunachar wrote...

I just don't understand how they can justify all these negatives and add so little..........yet ask us to drop 40 bucks on it. Im gonna do it, but im not happy about it..........its a shame really.

Don't be a fool, then.  Pay $40?  Pfft -- it'll be $20 soon enough.

[Spitz6860]

15-20 hours sounds fine for an expansion, however the 40$ price tag doesn't.i'm proabably gonna wait for the price drop.

[Ubertax]

I bought DA:O for around 60 dollars and so far have played one character for 60 hours so for every hour of Dragon Age I've spent 1 dollar.



Now if DA:O Awakenings is really around 15-20 hours ,and lets give them the benefit of the doubt and say it is closer to 20 hours, they are asking me to pay 2 dollars for 1 hour of Dragon Age content (40.00 retail). Their price per hour of Dragon Age for me just doubled ...



Maybe Dragon Age Awakenings is worth it to you because you absolutely loved Origins, but at the original value of Dragon Age 1$:1hr, for me, Awakenings at 2$:1hr doesn't seem to me like a good deal.

[flem1]

Viglin wrote...

Or not a power hungry eltist zerger?

You're utterly clueless.  The author of the review is himself an obsessive super-completist who spent over 100 hours on his initial playthrough of the original.

If he says 20 hours for completists, you're not going to get more than 20 *period*.  Sure, that's slower than you could speed-run the original game, but we're talking a *lot* less content.  Not to mention the reused engine, art resources, lack of crucial plot continuity, etc etc...

Modifié par flem1, 24 février 2010 - 09:41 .