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[Feraele]

Masticetobbacco wrote...

39.99 + tacks for 15-20 hours?

urghhhhhhh bioware is getting lazy

You're expecting another full game at 80 hours playthrough?   I don't think so.

Most people play through more than once....because playing through once, means you have only done ONE origin instead of the 6+ that are available.

I think we are getting our money's worth here...as for the dlcs, well I am waiting to see if they actually do a patch that allows the content to carry forward.

Otherwise..even if they extend my gameplay for an hour or two, I won't be buying them in the future.

Sorry Bioware, but RTO content..includes armor and weapons.....not just scenery. 

[Fayerielle]

ehuntington wrote...

I'm really surprised there's so many people willing to spend $40 on only 15 hours. The comparisons to other games don't really hold here. This is an expansion pack. I don't get the $40 price tag. It would be like paying $40 to play the Redcliff part of Dragon Age: Origins. It doesn't make sense. Awakening is a self-contained story that requires Origins and still costs $40. It's stupid, and I can't believe the people lining up to justify it.

I quite agree with the above post. Cashing out $45 CDN (plus tax) for an expansion that would clock in about 15 hours of gameplay doesn't justify the price tag. I mean, sure the quality of the game and storyline, as well as everything in between is top notch. But I'm sure the majority of us have bills to pay and while some wouldn't be bothered by the price tag, a number of us would actually prefer to spend $45 on particular necessities as opposed to a 15 hour expansion. I'm not saying I won't purchase Awakening; but I would most likely wait until much later on when the price somewhat drops a little. There are other great games coming out within the next few months and I just find them more worthy of my dollar at the moment.

Modifié par Fayerielle, 28 février 2010 - 08:30 .

[Feraele]

outlaworacle wrote...

Well, some people DO read the codex. And actually walk around and take in the sights. Or agonize over certain story decisions. My main two playthroughs were "completionist" and both fell between 60 and 70 hours. I'm doing a less complete, faster playthrough that will probably clock in just under 50.

Honestly, I don't know how you can do the whole game in 31 hours with zipping through dialogue and never reading your codex. Which is not exactly something to be proud of.

Thats exactly what I do Outlaw..glad to see there are others like me.   And oh I have started my 14th play-through.  hehe

Deleted everything in January including my account ..attempting to fix my glitchy upload and download thing with this site.    I have a small workaround that allows MOST information to upload now, but still am losing character portraits in my bio page.   I dun know how to fix that.    But yeah currently have 5 more characters....going to create probably another four for the expansion.

After that, well we'll see what I think of the expansion.   

To date...OTHER THAN content not carrying forward...re the dlcs armor/weapon content, and the "up in the air" situation of the Ultimate Sacrifice ending...I have gotten more than my money's worth.   

14 x 80 hours play-through...you do the math.    (well last one is a new character..level 7 so make that 13 x 80)

[Anyroad2]

Cant say that I'm happy about DAA being rumored to being only 15-20 hours long, but then again, who is? We all want more for our money.

Lets hope that these sites are a bit off about the time, and that it actually looks to be something like 25-30.



Anyway...I'm still going to get DAA only now I'm going to trade in a game to (in a way) lower the price.

[Masticetobbacco]

Feraele wrote...


You're expecting another full game at 80 hours playthrough?   I don't think so.

 

well it was advertised to be an expansion pack but the price is ****ing unjustifiable.

$40 USD for a game that's effectively half the length of the original, yet the same price?

the fck?

[Giant ambush beetle]

Well, if each hour of Awakening is twice as entertaining as DAO due of awesome content and great story, then its like playing a 40 hours game.  The amount of  fun will be the same. 

But I wished for at least 30 hours or so. 

[Yrkoon]

outlaworacle wrote...

You used a guide and you wonder why it didn't take you so long?

Yeah, I was just about to point that out.    It took me about 100 hours to complete the game without any guides or hints from the forum.  (I think I might have spent 2 hours just  trying to solve the Bridge puzzle in the urn of sacred ashes map lol)  Had I been using the Prima guide,  then yes, I'd probably  be able to cut  my play-thru in half or more.

Also I have a question for people who say they've beaten DA:O in 25 hours.  Is this your "estimate"?  Or are you going by the actual, recorded timestamp that appears in  the "Heroic Accomplishments" screen?  Because if you're not doing the latter, you're probably way off.  You're also probably not doing every avaliable sidequest  and you're probably hitting the escape button through dialogue.  Orzamar alone took me 25 hours.

And in the end, you're probably going to be disappointed when it takes you about 5 hours to finish   Awakenings lol.


But back on topic.  You know, I wish we had a link to this PC gamer article so we could read it ourselves before making rebuttals here.  I've read other previews and they all put the estimated completion time  much higher  (some as high as 30-40 hours) which pleases me greatly.

[Musa25]

Fayerielle wrote...

ehuntington wrote...

I'm really surprised there's so many people willing to spend $40 on only 15 hours. The comparisons to other games don't really hold here. This is an expansion pack. I don't get the $40 price tag. It would be like paying $40 to play the Redcliff part of Dragon Age: Origins. It doesn't make sense. Awakening is a self-contained story that requires Origins and still costs $40. It's stupid, and I can't believe the people lining up to justify it.

I quite agree with the above post. Cashing out $45 CDN (plus tax) for an expansion that would clock in about 15 hours of gameplay doesn't justify the price tag. I mean, sure the quality of the game and storyline, as well as everything in between is top notch. But I'm sure the majority of us have bills to pay and while some wouldn't be bothered by the price tag, a number of us would actually prefer to spend $45 on particular necessities as opposed to a 15 hour expansion. I'm not saying I won't purchase Awakening; but I would most likely wait until much later on when the price somewhat drops a little. There are other great games coming out within the next few months and I just find them more worthy of my dollar at the moment.

Just to be clear, I'm not trying to justify the price, I'm just saying that 10-15 hours is the average length for most of the current games which cost 60$... The comparison might not hold according to some, it's still a reality.

There again, if you think that it's not enough to pay 60 bucks for a game which doesn't last more than 12/15 hours (which is the case of many games!), then you don't pay. 'Cause if you really want to calculate, than you're theoretically paying 5$ an hour. 

There's not point in complaining. You don't want to pay 40$ for the game, then don't. Maybe I won't either... 

[Bathead]

Until someone posts a link to this claim with an actual quote from Mr. Melo, I ain't buying it.

[Finnegone]

Why do so many people on this forum assume that a game's length has anything to do with price? If that were indeed true, then video game prices for newly released games would be highly variable... and they're not.



Furthermore, when did we begin to measure enjoyment in units of time? If you want a game that you can sink unlimited hours into, and is also highly replayable, then buy Tetris. Otherwise, be prepared for disappointment.

[Cuthlan]

As a "completest", Origins took me about 45-50 hours. So if it takes 20 hours for a "completest" to finish Awakening, that's plenty of time for me. $40 is nothing for me, I waste more than that on lesser entertainment.

Sounds like Awakening is a good value for me.

[Musa25]

Cuthlan wrote...

As a "completest", Origins took me about 45-50 hours. So if it takes 20 hours for a "completest" to finish Awakening, that's plenty of time for me. $40 is nothing for me, I waste more than that on lesser entertainment.

Sounds like Awakening is a good value for me.

Agreed.

It's all a question of perception. Just because Awakening is called an add-on, paying 40$ for only 15 hours is too expensive! Or at least that's what some people are trying to explain, here...

I just wonder why this debate doesn't exist in the case of Darksiders, which is a complete game which took me 15 hours to finish (by the way, it's definitely not replayable, since there's only one scenario possible with no further consequences - although it's a fine game) and for which I had to pay full price (60€ = 80$). 

So let's stop this add-on joke and be logical: why would paying 80$ for Darksiders be understandable (for 15 hours game) whereas it's a shame to have to pay 40$ for 15 hours for an add-on? (Which is supposed to be replayable at least twince, considering the fact that you can import your own character, and create a new one with a new background - meaning 30 hours) Is it just because it's called an add-on? C'mon, that's ridiculous!

Modifié par Musa25, 28 février 2010 - 11:35 .

[JPL1138]

I'm personally having a hard time understanding how people are claiming they've spent 80+ hours DAO. As a previous poster pointed out, even if you finish all of the side-quests (Which I made sure to) and go through all dialogues, the game still shouldn't take more than 60 hours tops.

I finished the game twice, on normal each time, and made sure to get every single item, every quest, every piece of dialogue, etc., and both times it topped off at around 45 hours. So honestly, I'm having a really hard time understanding how people are able to squeeze 100 hours out the game, not unless they're stopping to count every single tree/house or getting obliterated by every single enemy encounter.

And like the previous poster, I'm worried that unless I happen to be one of the people who somehow managed to get 100 hours out of this game, which was what the original advertisements claimed the game to be, I'm probably only going get 10 hours tops out of Awakening, even if I manage to do all the quests and such.

And no, I didn't use any guides.

Modifié par JPL1138, 01 mars 2010 - 12:00 .

[A_VikingAssassin]

twenty hours isnt enough time to pay forty dollars. well completion time for DAO was an advertized thirty five or so hours and im at fifty with some side quests done and elven alienage so ill get thirty or more hours out of it-an OK deal

[A_VikingAssassin]

A_VikingAssassin wrote...

twenty hours isnt enough time to pay forty dollars. well completion time for DAO was an advertized thirty five or so hours and im at fifty with some side quests done and elven alienage so ill get thirty or more hours out of it-an OK deal

But not as good of value as other RPGs worth forty dollars

[A_VikingAssassin]

JPL1138 wrote...

I'm personally having a hard time understanding how people are claiming they've spent 80+ hours DAO. As a previous poster pointed out, even if you finish all of the side-quests (Which I made sure to) and go through all dialogues, the game still shouldn't take more than 60 hours tops.

I finished the game twice, on normal each time, and made sure to get every single item, every quest, every piece of dialogue, etc., and both times it topped off at around 45 hours. So honestly, I'm having a really hard time understanding how people are able to squeeze 100 hours out the game, not unless they're stopping to count every single tree/house or getting obliterated by every single enemy encounter.

And like the previous poster, I'm worried that unless I happen to be one of the people who somehow managed to get 100 hours out of this game, which was what the original advertisements claimed the game to be, I'm probably only going get 10 hours tops out of Awakening, even if I manage to do all the quests and such.

And no, I didn't use any guides.

Then your just hardcore-bittersweet:P

[JKJEDIKNIGHT]

It was my 4th or 5th playthrough where I used a guide, and it was only so that I don't have to play it 14 times to figure out certain aspects or find where that stupid 12th love letter was or some equally retarded aspect. And the character which was my FIRST character WITHOUT a guide was only 31 hours and when comparing that character's completed quests and world explored, it's not all that different from the one that I had when using the guide. So these comments of "it's all because of a guide" are completely off based. There were 4 quests that I didn't complete in my original play through WITHOUT a guide. Doing those quests did not add another 50 hours to my play through, nor would reading the Codex guide.

[Musa25]

A_VikingAssassin wrote...

twenty hours isnt enough time to pay forty dollars

Well then don't ever buy a game again, except for some RPGs... 'cause it'll always be "not enough".

[Giant ambush beetle]

20 hours is not enough.............not enough for a RPG game. RPG games need time to evolve, to develop the characters, RPG's have a complex story to tell. You cant rush that into 20 hours.

20 hours is GREAT for a 40$ first person shooter game, but not for a RPG.
And yes I said game not expansion. 40$ = full game.

Modifié par The Woldan , 01 mars 2010 - 01:05 .

[Cuthlan]

The Woldan wrote...

20 hours is not enough.............not enough for a RPG game. RPG games need time to evolve, to develop the characters, RPG's have a complex story to tell. You cant rush that into 20 hours.

20 hours is GREAT for a 40$ first person shooter game, but not for a RPG.
And yes I said game not expansion. 40$ = full game.

I think Origins cost me something like $72. I paid under $40 for Awakening... $36, I believe.

And yes, you said game. Awakening is an expansion. The world and a lot of the characters are already developed.

[RangerSG]

JKJEDIKNIGHT wrote...

Finnegone wrote...

JKJEDIKNIGHT wrote...

My first play through was on Normal, and I did not skip the dialogue, I did not read every Codex entry since most of them have no real purpose to the quest of the game. That said, I did not do EVERY side quest, I did however complete most of them since I know what they all are, and my character finished at level 23 and I did this in 31 hours. So how some of you get over 100 hours, I just don't see possible. Even putting it on Nightmare only added around 2 hours more to my next game play. My "completionist" character which I used on my 4th or 5th game I used the PRIMA Guide to do all possible side quests and that game only topped out at about 44ish. So someone please tell me how you're getting 100 hours out of this. Are you people just really slow readers when you read the Codex? I can't imagine that the 360 version (which I have) and the PC is that drastically different play through wise.

I can't tell - are you asking if they're liars, or just stupid?

lol.  Either people are just REALLY bad at games or I'm just that good.  And I'm not about toting my own ego here, but seriously, how can you people take so long for this?

One, I can imagine that playing on the PC makes a difference.

Two, since I've talked tactics successfully more than once on this forum, I can safely say I know what i'm doing.

Three, maybe someone else isn't running around like it's a console game and is actually talking through everything (including with non-plot NPCs) and/or exploring for exploring's sake?

As for being a slow reader...erm...Master's Degree in Biblical literature, Post High School reading level since 5th grade...maybe if I was reading it in Hebrew, French, or Dutch...but even in Koine Greek I could do it at a fairly typical pace.

So maybe the difference is the mindset of the typical console player vs the mindset of the typical long-time CRPG player on the PC. I'm sure if it's not THE difference, it's certainly A difference. Of course, it's easier to throw insults than consider the possibilities. But then, when you do so, you've got 3 fingers pointing back at you, too.

[Demx]

That would explain why they were defensive in the other thread.

http://social.biowar.../index/975446/3

I just hope we don't see too many similarities between Awakening and Mass Effect 2.

http://www.escapistm...1-Mass-Effect-2

[Hyper Cutter]

$40 for 15 hours is kind of steep. DA:O doesn't cost much more than that and even my shortest playthrough was still 30-odd hours...

[JKJEDIKNIGHT]

RangerSG wrote...

JKJEDIKNIGHT wrote...

Finnegone wrote...

JKJEDIKNIGHT wrote...

My first play through was on Normal, and I did not skip the dialogue, I did not read every Codex entry since most of them have no real purpose to the quest of the game. That said, I did not do EVERY side quest, I did however complete most of them since I know what they all are, and my character finished at level 23 and I did this in 31 hours. So how some of you get over 100 hours, I just don't see possible. Even putting it on Nightmare only added around 2 hours more to my next game play. My "completionist" character which I used on my 4th or 5th game I used the PRIMA Guide to do all possible side quests and that game only topped out at about 44ish. So someone please tell me how you're getting 100 hours out of this. Are you people just really slow readers when you read the Codex? I can't imagine that the 360 version (which I have) and the PC is that drastically different play through wise.

I can't tell - are you asking if they're liars, or just stupid?

lol.  Either people are just REALLY bad at games or I'm just that good.  And I'm not about toting my own ego here, but seriously, how can you people take so long for this?

One, I can imagine that playing on the PC makes a difference.

Two, since I've talked tactics successfully more than once on this forum, I can safely say I know what i'm doing.

Three, maybe someone else isn't running around like it's a console game and is actually talking through everything (including with non-plot NPCs) and/or exploring for exploring's sake?

As for being a slow reader...erm...Master's Degree in Biblical literature, Post High School reading level since 5th grade...maybe if I was reading it in Hebrew, French, or Dutch...but even in Koine Greek I could do it at a fairly typical pace.

So maybe the difference is the mindset of the typical console player vs the mindset of the typical long-time CRPG player on the PC. I'm sure if it's not THE difference, it's certainly A difference. Of course, it's easier to throw insults than consider the possibilities. But then, when you do so, you've got 3 fingers pointing back at you, too.

It was a rehtorical question for 1 and was written in the context of sarcasm to be a joke.  But that aside, the games are meant to be the same, whether on PC or 360.  So I have a hard time believing that is the main difference.  I don't care either way.  Obviously some people have found way more hours out of Origins than me, and that's fine.  But 15-20 hours (which I doubt I'd get) for $40 is not a worthy investment for me.  I don't play action/adventure type games anymore for a reason and that's exactly it.  I won't waste $60 on some game that will only give me 8-10 hours of play time and then I need a friend or several to enjoy it further.  The game has to stand well enough on it's own two legs for me, sorry.  I just see excuses being made for the time length being that it's an expansion.  Well there are 1000 Wii games out there that AREN'T expansions and they are only $10 more expensive.  Why if this game is clearly not a new game, can it be so similarly priced like a new game?  Obviously it shouldn't be.  I know BIOWARE doesn't set the price of their games, but this price is unacceptable to me given the content I feel will be in it.  I want to support BIOWARE and I love DA:O but I love my $ more, sorry.

[Demx]

$0.04 - $0.05 a minute if you're not a completionest. If you are, $0.03 - $0.04.