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[Llandaryn]

newcomplex wrote...

And flesh doesn't rot in space.

~_~

It looked to me like Shepard's body was being extracted from rocks, ie, after planetary entry.

[newcomplex]

Llandaryn wrote...
That's on YouTube now? God, the things people will put on there these days....

But no. I prefer to experience things for myself. Which is why I haven't watched any of the romance dialogues on it, and I only watched Scientist Salarian three times after I'd already seen it for myself in game. When it comes down to it, everything just looks so much more awesome on my big HDTV than it does on YouTube.

You alread did experience it for yourself, hes telling you to watch it again on youtube so you don't pull **** from your ass.

Then I stand humbly corrected, and concede my point. Resurrecting atrophied neural tissue to its former state = physical impossibility. Re-animating freeze-dried neural tissue... I do that on my way to solving major scientific conundrums.

This is three hundred years in the future with alien technology.      

[newcomplex]

Llandaryn wrote...

newcomplex wrote...

And flesh doesn't rot in space.

~_~

It looked to me like Shepard's body was being extracted from rocks, ie, after planetary entry.

No, he wasn't.    Because the game specifically mentions cryogenic damage from space exposure and damage from heat of explosion.    If the body were to survive planetary rentry, then it would have had to have no atmosphere ANYWAY, so your point is moot.   

[Templar Lucas]

Trenrade wrote...
So I couldn't help but notice when you go through the O4 relay to fight the collectors the black hole is letting light escape, in all actuality this is scientifically impossible.

Matter doesn't fall straight into black holes; rather, it becomes trapped in a decaying orbit, formaing an accretion disk. As it approaches the event horizon, it speeds up, causing collisions. These collisions cause the matter to heat up drastically and emit radiation, which we see as light.

So what you're seeing is actually glowing hot plasma orbiting the black hole.

[Llandaryn]

newcomplex wrote...

Llandaryn wrote...
That's on YouTube now? God, the things people will put on there these days....

But no. I prefer to experience things for myself. Which is why I haven't watched any of the romance dialogues on it, and I only watched Scientist Salarian three times after I'd already seen it for myself in game. When it comes down to it, everything just looks so much more awesome on my big HDTV than it does on YouTube.

You alread did experience it for yourself, hes telling you to watch it again on youtube so you don't pull **** from your ass.

Yeah... I'd still like to watch it (again) for myself when importing my latest ME1 character.

Thanks for your input though, it's been invaluable. Cookie for you, dude.

Then I stand humbly corrected, and concede my point. Resurrecting atrophied neural tissue to its former state = physical impossibility. Re-animating freeze-dried neural tissue... I do that on my way to solving major scientific conundrums.

This is three hundred years in the future with alien technology.      

ME2 is set in 2185. We are currently in the year 2010. Would you like to phone a friend?

newcomplex wrote...

Llandaryn wrote...



It looked to me like Shepard's body was being extracted from rocks, ie, after planetary entry.

No,
he wasn't.    Because the game specifically mentions cryogenic damage
from space exposure and damage from heat of explosion.    If the body
were to survive planetary rentry, then it would have had to have no
atmosphere ANYWAY, so your point is moot.   

Dude, my mind is so ravaged by stim and eezo abuse that I can barely remember what I did yesterday, much less what I saw/heard in some game I started playing a month and a half ago.

Modifié par Llandaryn, 24 février 2010 - 11:22 .

[Poisonedblades]

And here I thought I was going to tout the proud beacon of knowledge when like 10 other people get it completely right before me. I forgot there were educated people on the internets...

[didymos1120]

Llandaryn wrote...
Then I stand humbly corrected, and concede my point. Resurrecting atrophied neural tissue to its former state = physical impossibility. Re-animating freeze-dried neural tissue... I do that on my way to solving major scientific conundrums.

Point being, it's much more plausible than what you were originally saying, which made it sound like they brought Shep back from a smear of goo they scraped off of something.  BTW, atrophy occurs while you're still alive, so you don't resurrect atrophied anything.  It's just gone, and may or may not be replaceable depending on what kind of tissue we're talking about.

[Titan7771]

Guys, at one part, they teleport from one galaxy to another. SCIENTIFIC FLAW!!!

[Skyblade012]

Titan7771 wrote...

Guys, at one part, they teleport from one galaxy to another. SCIENTIFIC FLAW!!!

When is it ever either stated or implied that any of the events in either game take place in any galaxy besides the Milky Way?

[didymos1120]

Skyblade012 wrote...

Titan7771 wrote...

Guys, at one part, they teleport from one galaxy to another. SCIENTIFIC FLAW!!!

When is it ever either stated or implied that any of the events in either game take place in any galaxy besides the Milky Way?

That'd be never.

[trigger2kill1]

newcomplex wrote...

Llandaryn wrote...
That's on YouTube now? God, the things people will put on there these days....

But no. I prefer to experience things for myself. Which is why I haven't watched any of the romance dialogues on it, and I only watched Scientist Salarian three times after I'd already seen it for myself in game. When it comes down to it, everything just looks so much more awesome on my big HDTV than it does on YouTube.

You alread did experience it for yourself, hes telling you to watch it again on youtube so you don't pull **** from your ass.

Then I stand humbly corrected, and concede my point. Resurrecting atrophied neural tissue to its former state = physical impossibility. Re-animating freeze-dried neural tissue... I do that on my way to solving major scientific conundrums.

This is three hundred years in the future with alien technology.      

Head spins...what?. 2183? try 170 years.
ok picky understood... still... 

[Llandaryn]

didymos1120 wrote...

Llandaryn wrote...
Then I stand humbly corrected, and concede my point. Resurrecting atrophied neural tissue to its former state = physical impossibility. Re-animating freeze-dried neural tissue... I do that on my way to solving major scientific conundrums.

Point being, it's much more plausible than what you were originally saying, which made it sound like they brought Shep back from a smear of goo they scraped off of something.  BTW, atrophy occurs while you're still alive, so you don't resurrect atrophied anything.  It's just gone, and may or may not be replaceable depending on what kind of tissue we're talking about.

Well that's fair enough then; as I said, it looked to me like Shepard's remains (little more than a smashed-up skeleton) were being extracted from rock. I've seen others questioning the same scene, and I don't recall it being mentioned in-game exactly what state Shepard's body was in, other than "dead". It also looked, on the the opening cinematic, like the force of the Normany breaking apart was causing Shepard to drift towards the nearby planet.

[Digital Supremacy]

marshalleck wrote...

Llandaryn wrote...

Within the first five minutes of the game, Cerberus reconstruct Shepard's body, including neural pathways and in-tact memories, from nothing but a DNA sample,

I think you need to go back and watch that video again. Unless you're calling an almost completely intact body a DNA sample, which I guess is technically correct.

Think you missed the part where shepard entered th  planets atmosphere. chunks of metal and rock the size for mini-vans or larger burn up to dust. DUST in our atmospher all the time. and your telling me a human body of very easily burnable material and bone could survive a trip like that, intact? with DNA that WASNT fried? when simpel fire charred corpses cannot give any DNA recognition, even bodies in water for extended amounts of time offer litlte to no DNA recognition.. so um... how they get DNA from pixie dust or in the unlikely case, and very, very, very charred corpse. hrm? My point being is if that was scientificly accurate shepard would most likely be space dust after going through the atmosphere lol.
Also, perhaps I can ask why Shepard has any memory at all when his brain, was dead for what? 2 years? on top of being fried? and he has remember everything in his life? uh what? that is another impossible thing. once the brain is damaged, or a region dies. what ever was in the region is lost forever.
There is so much inaccurate things in this game its laughable. non-excisting space vaccum anyone?oh, or lets send some astronaughts up into space with only a leather spandex suit and a breather mask! lol that would be so realistic!

Case in point. science has no place inside a video game. <_<

[NICKjnp]

The light is radiation escaping. If matter does not curve into a blackhole but goes in at a straight line then it is ejected from the blackhole.... that is science. However... for the sake of the argument... it's space magic.

[adam_grif]

Trenrade wrote...

So I couldn't help but notice when you go through the O4 relay to fight the collectors the black hole is letting light escape, in all actuality this is scientifically impossible.

The only part of the black hole that doesn't let light escape is the event horizon. Plenty of light from around it will get out, and it's quite possible that the disk of matter around the black hole in a stable orbit will be white hot and glowing because black holes emit thermal radiation (aka Hawking Radiation).

There is also the fact that accretion disks are hot, by the method mentioned by people above.

Also, not one object moves. Shouldn't they be sucked in by the black hole.

Maybe that is not a black hole!? No matter what they say in some ingame
conversations, a station can't survive near a black hole. It is not
about gravity, but space alteration why even light emissions are
captured. And I doubt that Biowares writers don't know why black holes
are called "black" holes!

NO.

BLACK HOLES DO NOT SUCK THINGS INTO THEM. THEY HAVE THE EXACT SAME GRAVITATIONAL PULL AS THE STAR THAT FORMED THEM. 

YOU CAN PUT SOMETHING IN A STABLE ORBIT AROUND A BLACK HOLE EXACTLY LIKE YOU CAN WITH A NORMAL STAR.

BLACK HOLES EMIT RADIATION CREATED BY SEPARATING VIRTUAL PARTICLES FROM THEIR ANTIPARTICLES, WHICH REDUCES THEIR MASS AND CAUSES THEM TO DECAY IN COMPLIANCE WITH THERMODYNAMICS.

Modifié par adam_grif, 25 février 2010 - 08:32 .

[aaniadyen]

adam_grif wrote...

Trenrade wrote...

So I couldn't help but notice when you go through the O4 relay to fight the collectors the black hole is letting light escape, in all actuality this is scientifically impossible.

The only part of the black hole that doesn't let light escape is the event horizon. Plenty of light from around it will get out, and it's quite possible that the disk of matter around the black hole in a stable orbit will be white hot and glowing because black holes emit thermal radiation (aka Hawking Radiation).

There is also the fact that accretion disks are hot, by the method mentioned by people above.

Also, not one object moves. Shouldn't they be sucked in by the black hole.

Maybe that is not a black hole!? No matter what they say in some ingame
conversations, a station can't survive near a black hole. It is not
about gravity, but space alteration why even light emissions are
captured. And I doubt that Biowares writers don't know why black holes
are called "black" holes!

NO.

BLACK HOLES DO NOT SUCK THINGS INTO THEM. THEY HAVE THE EXACT SAME GRAVITATIONAL PULL AS THE STAR THAT FORMED THEM. 

YOU CAN PUT SOMETHING IN A STABLE ORBIT AROUND A BLACK HOLE EXACTLY LIKE YOU CAN WITH A NORMAL STAR.

BLACK HOLES EMIT RADIATION CREATED BY SEPARATING VIRTUAL PARTICLES FROM THEIR ANTIPARTICLES, WHICH REDUCES THEIR MASS AND CAUSES THEM TO DECAY IN COMPLIANCE WITH THERMODYNAMICS.

Smartest thing I've ever read in all capitol letters.

[adam_grif]

Why thank you.

[Godeshus]

 There can be anywhere from 0 to thousands of stars in the accretion disc surrounding a black hole. Once these stars get too close, their gasses get condensed and the resulting energy emits a LOT of light, amongst other types of radiation.

Vendrac: Do you have another link for that? I am in canada and we can't watch hulu here.

-godeshus

[AtreiyaN7]

There is an accretion disk... *sigh* Also - who cares?

[Onyx Jaguar]

Skyblade012 wrote...

Titan7771 wrote...

Guys, at one part, they teleport from one galaxy to another. SCIENTIFIC FLAW!!!

When is it ever either stated or implied that any of the events in either game take place in any galaxy besides the Milky Way?

rofl, they don't because they don't thats why!

Of all the things, it seems fairly obvious that the games take place in the Milky Way.  Plus everyone has beat me to the black hole point.  I'd beat a dead horse further but alas my tools aren't as effecient as the other posters.

Modifié par Onyx Jaguar, 25 février 2010 - 08:48 .

[Keltoris]

I'm actually rather amazed I couldn't find the Simpsons episode with Xena explaining how the horse changes colour between scenes.

[The Capital Gaultier]

newcomplex wrote...

Llandaryn wrote...

newcomplex wrote...

And flesh doesn't rot in space.

~_~

It looked to me like Shepard's body was being extracted from rocks, ie, after planetary entry.

No, he wasn't.    Because the game specifically mentions cryogenic damage from space exposure and damage from heat of explosion.    If the body were to survive planetary rentry, then it would have had to have no atmosphere ANYWAY, so your point is moot.   

The body falls through the planet's atmosphere.  Presumably, suit shielding was strong enough to keep it relatively intact.

[aaniadyen]

The Capital Gaultier wrote...

newcomplex wrote...

Llandaryn wrote...

newcomplex wrote...

And flesh doesn't rot in space.

~_~

It looked to me like Shepard's body was being extracted from rocks, ie, after planetary entry.

No, he wasn't.    Because the game specifically mentions cryogenic damage from space exposure and damage from heat of explosion.    If the body were to survive planetary rentry, then it would have had to have no atmosphere ANYWAY, so your point is moot.   

The body falls through the planet's atmosphere.  Presumably, suit shielding was strong enough to keep it relatively intact.

Seriously? That broke my suspension of disbelief enough for the entire starwars and mass effect universes combined. At least if he was traped in orbit there would be a chance of Shep's Neurons being cryogenically frozen to partially preserve them. If he entered the atmosphere...there would be absolutely nothing left of him to recover. Even if he did remain intact after that...after he hit the ground, holy ****. His body would explode into so many peices I don't even want to think about it.

Modifié par aaniadyen, 25 février 2010 - 09:22 .

[Snowraptor]

Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

Maybe that is not a black hole!? No matter what they say in some ingame conversations, a station can't survive near a black hole. It is not about gravity, but space alteration why even light emissions are captured. And I doubt that Biowares writers don't know why black holes are called "black" holes!

if you played the game you would know that they have this made up thing called mass effect fields that prevents that

[aaniadyen]

Snowraptor wrote...

Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

Maybe that is not a black hole!? No matter what they say in some ingame conversations, a station can't survive near a black hole. It is not about gravity, but space alteration why even light emissions are captured. And I doubt that Biowares writers don't know why black holes are called "black" holes!

if you played the game you would know that they have this made up thing called mass effect fields that prevents that

I thought space time was only altered inside the event horizon.