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[The Capital Gaultier]

aaniadyen wrote...

Seriously? That broke my suspension of disbelief enough for the entire starwars and mass effect universes combined. At least if he was traped in orbit there would be a chance of Shep's Neurons being cryogenically frozen to partially preserve them. If he entered the atmosphere...there would be absolutely nothing left of him to recover. Even if he did remain intact after that...after he hit the ground, holy ****. His body would explode into so many peices I don't even want to think about it.

Hah!

Well, if it's any consolation, you only need suspension of disbelief for when you're actually playing the game. 

[GnusmasTHX]

aaniadyen wrote...

The Capital Gaultier wrote...

newcomplex wrote...

Llandaryn wrote...

newcomplex wrote...

And flesh doesn't rot in space.

~_~

It looked to me like Shepard's body was being extracted from rocks, ie, after planetary entry.

No, he wasn't.    Because the game specifically mentions cryogenic damage from space exposure and damage from heat of explosion.    If the body were to survive planetary rentry, then it would have had to have no atmosphere ANYWAY, so your point is moot.   

The body falls through the planet's atmosphere.  Presumably, suit shielding was strong enough to keep it relatively intact.

Seriously? That broke my suspension of disbelief enough for the entire starwars and mass effect universes combined. At least if he was traped in orbit there would be a chance of Shep's Neurons being cryogenically frozen to partially preserve them. If he entered the atmosphere...there would be absolutely nothing left of him to recover. Even if he did remain intact after that...after he hit the ground, holy ****. His body would explode into so many peices I don't even want to think about it.

Except he does.

The suit is remarkably strong, or the planet had little atmosphere. The helmet and much of the shoulder guard along with some of the chest plate survive, evidenced by Legion, and the intact helmet found at the Normandy crash site. 

More so, if you take the loading screens as an accurate depiction of Shepard's injuries, he's missing bone mass. Not his bones are broken, he's literally missing bones. That would not have resulted JUST from the explosion, he must have landed, or undergone some other physical trauma after the cutscene that we're not privy to, most would assume he entered the atmosphere and landed, seeing as it's the next logical step, and heavily hinted.

One side note: It's peculiar that Shepard's helmet was found near the Normandy at all, because at one point, his head was in there. Cerberus just removed it? I figure they would have taken all the bits and pieces, and scraped off the Shepard in the lab, rather than out on the field.

[sbear3737]

reading through this thread was lulz, either y'all need to pass high school, read some books on astronomy or watch some Carl Sagan vids . good job though

[Aradace]

SarEnyaDor wrote...

Actually, the light is brightest at the edge of the black hole before it crosses into the point of no return.

The light you are seeing hasn't made it into the black hole yet, but is swirling faster and faster towards its death, brightening as it speeds up.

This, I dont remember the scientific term for it, (saw it on the Discovery Channel or something similar a few months ago) but this is basically what it is lol.

[ZennExile]

You know they should probably start with the least complicated things that don't make sense before they tackle scientific accuracy..

[Massadonious1]

Like cheerleaders.

[Pannamaslo]

newcomplex wrote...

Llandaryn wrote...

newcomplex wrote...

And flesh doesn't rot in space.

~_~

It looked to me like Shepard's body was being extracted from rocks, ie, after planetary entry.

No, he wasn't.    Because the game specifically mentions cryogenic damage from space exposure and damage from heat of explosion.    If the body were to survive planetary rentry, then it would have had to have no atmosphere ANYWAY, so your point is moot.   

 Bringing back brain in a form it was before is not even plausible. Lack of oxygen (or death in this case) destroys neural pathways. Axons and dendrites atrophie, you won't be albe to tell how neurons were connected in a first place, not to mention recreating them. Almost every brain cell has dozens of conncetions to other braincells, and we all know that humans have a lot of neurons up there.. These conncetions differ in an inhibition/arousal manner and to recreate whole personality and experience you have to exactly know how to connect neurons, after you bring them to life that is.

So NO. Bringing back from dead is a scientific inaccuracy.

Modifié par Pannamaslo, 25 février 2010 - 09:47 .

[ZennExile]

Massadonious1 wrote...

Like cheerleaders.

Exactly

[Rabid Rob3]

The one scientific inaccuracy that actually bothered me in ME2 was the constant refrain about humans being "genetically diverse" compared to the other sophonts. As it happens, here on the Real Earth, humans are among the least genetically diverse organisms on the planet, and if you also factor in that there are billions of us spread over the entire planet, well, the only organisms that compare are ones that live on us, like the bacteria in our guts, or the mites on our skin.

Even more bizarre is running into aliens with two arms, two legs, a head, standing upright... but the whole aliens-as-humans-with-rubber-masks cliche has been around so long, we all just have to accept it (or encourage game developers to check out Star Control). The Asari take that one step further by being adapted to human sexual aesthetics and color sense (blue is our 2nd favorite color after green IIRC - and hey, there is a green Asari if you let her live in ME1!).

By the way, on the "bringing Shep back from the dead" thing, I assumed from the start that I wasn't the REAL Shep, but found it strange I had no way to confirm or deny the story spoon fed me by Cerberus.

Modifié par Rabid Rob3, 25 février 2010 - 10:02 .

[aaniadyen]

Pannamaslo wrote...

newcomplex wrote...

Llandaryn wrote...

newcomplex wrote...

And flesh doesn't rot in space.

~_~

It looked to me like Shepard's body was being extracted from rocks, ie, after planetary entry.

No, he wasn't.    Because the game specifically mentions cryogenic damage from space exposure and damage from heat of explosion.    If the body were to survive planetary rentry, then it would have had to have no atmosphere ANYWAY, so your point is moot.   

 Bringing back brain in a form it was before is not even plausible. Lack of oxygen (or death in this case) destroys neural pathways. Axons and dendrites atrophie, you won't be albe to tell how neurons were connected in a first place, not to mention recreating them. Almost every brain cell has dozens of conncetions to other braincells, and we all know that humans have a lot of neurons up there.. These conncetions differ in an inhibition/arousal manner and to recreate whole personality and experience you have to exactly know how to connect neurons, after you bring them to life that is.

So NO. Bringing back from dead is a scientific inaccuracy.

This is true. The whole "Bringing him back from the dead" thing was pushing my suspension of disbelief as it was. Assuming that somehow, using space magic, the neurons could be preserved exactly how they were and given the technology, I figured "What the hell? I've heard of crazier things and accepted them in fantasy." (Not even going into how impossible brain transplants are). It'd take a whole hell of a lot to preserve the Neurons though. As it is, it's impossible without air. So, really, if Shepard was dead for more then 3 minutes, he'd be unrecoverable. Even then...if so much as the myelin on the axons was worn, the neurons would die. That's not even going into the synapses. That is without space magic, though.

Modifié par aaniadyen, 25 février 2010 - 10:13 .

[adam_grif]

Even more bizarre is running into aliens with two arms, two legs, a head, standing upright...

Convergent evolution explains why intelligent species might be similar in those respects to a human (tool use needs human like hands, intelligence requires big heads, etc etc), but the really suspension-of-disbelief shattering ones are the Asari, who evolved to be able to have sex with any sentient species at all, and are so exactly physiologically identical to humans that they can and do wear human armors with no problems. The spaceboobs on the Asari are particularly grating.

The one scientific inaccuracy that actually bothered me in ME2 was the constant refrain about humans being "genetically diverse" compared to the other sophonts. As it happens, here on the Real Earth, humans are among the least genetically diverse organisms on the planet, and if you also factor in that there are billions of us spread over the entire planet, well, the only organisms that compare are ones that live on us, like the bacteria in our guts, or the mites on our skin.

Yeah, something to do with a recent population bottleneck in our past. The excuse also set off my BS detector.

[wolfstanus]

How do we know how the universe works when we don't even understand most of our own planet?

[Aradace]

Aradace wrote...

SarEnyaDor wrote...

Actually, the light is brightest at the edge of the black hole before it crosses into the point of no return.

The light you are seeing hasn't made it into the black hole yet, but is swirling faster and faster towards its death, brightening as it speeds up.

This, I dont remember the scientific term for it, (saw it on the Discovery Channel or something similar a few months ago) but this is basically what it is lol.

I just remembered what it's called...It's called the Event Horizon. No, not the movie either lol...I did laugh however when I first learned what this term really meant

[didymos1120]

Rabid Rob3 wrote...

The one scientific inaccuracy that actually bothered me in ME2 was the constant refrain about humans being "genetically diverse" compared to the other sophonts. As it happens, here on the Real Earth, humans are among the least genetically diverse organisms on the planet, and if you also factor in that there are billions of us spread over the entire planet, well, the only organisms that compare are ones that live on us, like the bacteria in our guts, or the mites on our skin.

Right...and the other races have simply taken that somewhat further than humanity.  If you consider their histories and reproductive biologies (at least those we know something about), it's not really that odd.  Asari: no sex (not in the gamete-meets-gamete sense. Yes, their "mating" seems to induce mutations somehow, but at what rate?).  Salarians:  tiny number of females, small fraction of males allowed to breed. The vast majority of them never pass on their genes to any offspring. Krogan: enormous artificial bottleneck forcibly applied by Genophage and disproportionate mortality rate.  Quarians: another artificial bottleneck, this time forcibly applied by artificial intelligence, coupled with strict population controls.   Drell: tiny fraction saved by Hanar. I.e., another bottleneck.  Vorcha: basically, their unusual genetics have practically frozen them evolutionarily speaking. 

We don't really know much about the other races, so we don't know why their diversity is lower, but it's hardly implausible as any number of genetic mechanisms or historical circumstances could explain it.  It also pays to keep in mind that, in absolute terms, the differences might not be all that great between humans and other races.  That and it seems clear that it's not a case of every other race having the exact same level of diversity.  It's clearly a scale, with Vorcha likely being the least diverse, humans the most.  Who knows?  Maybe Turians are just a little behind us in second place.

Modifié par didymos1120, 25 février 2010 - 05:03 .

[jklinders]

Element Zero is not exactly something that seems to work with what is understood about physics either. Altering gravity with an electrical current? Making people into quasi jedi force wielding freaks? Oh dear. Let's let the artist have a bit artistic license. The pictures are prettier that way, people would be complaining about how bland things looked otherwise.

[didymos1120]

aaniadyen wrote...
I thought space time was only altered inside the event horizon.

Nope:

http://en.wikipedia....wiki/Ergosphere


Also, in general, anything that interacts gravitationally alters space-time.  Which is to say, everything does.  It's just really noticeable around singularities.

Modifié par didymos1120, 25 février 2010 - 05:32 .

[didymos1120]

adam_grif wrote...
BLACK HOLES DO NOT SUCK THINGS INTO THEM. THEY HAVE THE EXACT SAME GRAVITATIONAL PULL AS THE STAR THAT FORMED THEM. 

Less even, as the original star would have gone super- or hyper- nova before what was left collapsed into a singularity. 

[Lambu1]

adam_grif wrote...


NO.

BLACK HOLES DO NOT SUCK THINGS INTO THEM. THEY HAVE THE EXACT SAME GRAVITATIONAL PULL AS THE STAR THAT FORMED THEM. 

YOU CAN PUT SOMETHING IN A STABLE ORBIT AROUND A BLACK HOLE EXACTLY LIKE YOU CAN WITH A NORMAL STAR.

BLACK HOLES EMIT RADIATION CREATED BY SEPARATING VIRTUAL PARTICLES FROM THEIR ANTIPARTICLES, WHICH REDUCES THEIR MASS AND CAUSES THEM TO DECAY IN COMPLIANCE WITH THERMODYNAMICS.

you're right except for the above.  a black hole's gravity is several orders of magnitude greater than the star that form it.   if it were the same then light could escape,  

oh and don't thank god for Event Horizon
http://rds.yahoo.com...ent_Horizon.jpg

[Madecologist]

Yeah, perhaps the light you see is outside of the event horizan. The black ball you see is not the black hole itself but the event horizan. The light around it is free to escape. Also the base is inside a safe zone, probably generated by the relay itself or the base. Strategically placed in a spot where the advanced Reaper technology can create a ME field to preven the object from being pulled into the singularity.

[aaniadyen]

didymos1120 wrote...

aaniadyen wrote...
I thought space time was only altered inside the event horizon.

Nope:

http://en.wikipedia....wiki/Ergosphere


Also, in general, anything that interacts gravitationally alters space-time.  Which is to say, everything does.  It's just really noticeable around singularities.

Ahh, I see. Thank you.

[Llandaryn]

Digital Supremacy wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Llandaryn wrote...

Within the first five minutes of the game, Cerberus reconstruct Shepard's body, including neural pathways and in-tact memories, from nothing but a DNA sample,

I think you need to go back and watch that video again. Unless you're calling an almost completely intact body a DNA sample, which I guess is technically correct.

Think you missed the part where shepard entered th  planets atmosphere.

So, I'm back to being right again. Good to know, good to know...

[meznaric]

The first thing I noticed that was totally wrong is the Quantum Entanglement Communicator (QEC for short). The EDI explains that the QEC works by having an entangled pair and that changing one of the particles in the pair changes the other as well. This is simply plainly wrong. Doing a local operation on one of the particles does NOTHING to the other one that the TIM could notice. There is no way to communicate using the quantum entanglement alone. In other words, QEC communicates exactly zero amount to TIM.



However, entanglement can be used to improve the channel capacity. But then you'd need another communication device that is already capable of faster than light communication.



Anyway, hope that didn't bore you guys to death. Thanks for reading

[atheelogos]

Trenrade wrote...

So I couldn't help but notice when you go through the O4 relay to fight the collectors the black hole is letting light escape, in all actuality this is scientifically impossible.

Never heard of quasar I take it

[Lambu1]

apparently neither have you

"A quasi-stellar radio source (quasar) is a very energetic and distant galaxy with an active galactic nucleus."

this in in our galaxy, not some distant far away place

Modifié par Lambu1, 25 février 2010 - 07:06 .