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[Jackal904]

Michael Gamble wrote...

Hi all,

I just want to recap.
We've released Zaeed, the Normandy Crash, Cerberus Shotgun and Armor. Were these high quality peices of free content? Yes.
There will be more on the way. When? We will be able to announce details pretty soon - but i want to reiterate how committed to quality we are. It would be easy to announce something and deliver on a promised date with lacklustre quality. That's not how BioWare does it.

Glad to hear it. Quality over quantity. Keep up the good work .

[Terror_K]

Michael Gamble wrote...

It would be easy to announce something and deliver on a promised date with lacklustre quality. That's not how BioWare does it.

*cough*Pinnacle Station*cough* 

 To be honest, I don't care how long BioWare takes with their DLC... we're actually lucky to have as much as we do in such a short amount of time. The only real exception to this is the Kasumi factor. I love how ME2 is now an open-ended game so we can actually play DLC with characters who have completed the game, and thus if anything carries over to ME3 DLC wise we don't have to have a "Pre-Ilos-esque" save like we did with the original game in case anything further came. While this is cool, the fact that we know there's an additional companion coming kind of negates this, since Kasumi really is the type of DLC one would want to experience as part of the main story and game. So I'd personally like to see Kasumi sooner rather than later simply because she really seems like the type of DLC that befits incomplete games, while additional weapons, sidequests and stuff like The Hammerhead and its no-doubt ME1 UNC style offerings as DLC don't really matter if they're done before or after.

Modifié par Terror_K, 25 février 2010 - 04:56 .

[Razor124]

Michael Gamble wrote...

Hi all,

I just want to recap.
We've released Zaeed, the Normandy Crash, Cerberus Shotgun and Armor. Were these high quality peices of free content? Yes.
There will be more on the way. When? We will be able to announce details pretty soon - but i want to reiterate how committed to quality we are. It would be easy to announce something and deliver on a promised date with lacklustre quality. That's not how BioWare does it.

Not to be a cynic, but didn't ME1 get promised tons of DLC and a constantly expanding universe, but 3 years after the game is released it still only has 2 bits of (somewhat insignificant) dlc?

I'm not dissing BW, i'm just not getting my hopes up...

[Pinkflamingo22]

it would be nice to get the new squaddie! I can't keep my NG+ on hold forever!!! However I do love Bioware and am a slave to mass effect

[Drakron]

Michael Gamble wrote...
... It would be easy to announce something and deliver on a promised date with lacklustre quality. That's not how BioWare does it.

You serious?

Look I see the EA logo and know how EA works, in about a week I know The Sims 3 site will update the Shop with new items that will vary in quality as they always update the first week of the month.

Also you might consider that Valve stategy ( remenber Episode 3? remenber Episodic content?) is a pretty bad idea, if you ARE going to put up a date on release and keep delaying for any reason ... lets say was anyone suprised about Duke Nuken Forever?

Also lets see Bioware "does it" ... err, Pinacle Station? Return to Ostagar?

Yes, its free but trust me ... if people do not start seeing something to keep then playing the game when it time to put DLC with a pricetag most people would have moved one, that is why The Sims 3 Store have montly updates.

[Terror_K]

It's not BioWare's fault that most of today's "gamers" have such short attention spans and will trade in a game if they can't find something new each and every day.

[llinsane1ll]

Daewan wrote...

Wow bold and italicized yelling. That's sure to get your point across. If your point is that you're a demanding whiny little **** with no life.
Unless you have a signed contract with a date at the bottom, you are not "owed" anything by the end of the day.
What you have is a game. Actually, you have a license for a game. You really have nothing. It is entertainment. No one is going to die or lose a limb because DLC comes out a day or two later than originally expected.
I'd say get a grip, but I need more of these crazy posts to keep me busy while I'm supposed to be working.

lol @ getting a grip... yea... HE needs to get a grip?...

[vangj]

Man, it's like watching people hooked on crack. This just reminds me of people believing that Bioware owes them sex...

[Serenum]

Michael Gamble wrote...

Hi all,

I just want to recap.
We've released Zaeed, the Normandy Crash, Cerberus Shotgun and Armor. Were these high quality peices of free content? Yes.
There will be more on the way. When? We will be able to announce details pretty soon - but i want to reiterate how committed to quality we are. It would be easy to announce something and deliver on a promised date with lacklustre quality. That's not how BioWare does it.

Thanks for posting here Michael, it's always great to see that BioWare continues their communication with the fans.

The one thing I would point out is that the matter of quality is subjective, how are you measuring the said quality of the DLC you listed? For me personally I liked the Cerberus Assault Armor and the Eviscerator because they did what they were supposed to do and there are no false expectations there, there is no story attached to them, nothing, they are simply items with stats. Zaeed was a great piece of DLC due to being a new character and having a very interesting loyalty stoy, however implementing a character that you can't interact in a dialogue turns me off from the experience altogether, I think you guys missed the ball on that one badly, but overall still a VERY nice addition. The Normandy Crash Site though was as lackluster as they come, it's not even a mission, you don't have anny combat or developed story behind it, all you get is the feedbacks which don't tie in into a meaningful explanation or ending to the mission and then you have to collect the dogtags which also don't show any meaningful impact, unfortunately I felt that piece of DLC had so much potential but just failed to deliver.

I am hoping that moving forward we can count on seeing better developed DLC that at a minimum deliver somthing akin more to Shale than to Zaeed, and more like Bring Down the Sky than Normandy Crash Site.

Thanks,
Ser Rune

[TornadoADV]

Zaeed's stories were better then any convo tree with the same 3 canned responses. Also, the CAA WOULD of been high grade if there was a female model and character hair didn't clip through the helmet and neck sleeve!

Modifié par TornadoADV, 25 février 2010 - 07:06 .

[llinsane1ll]

Michael Gamble wrote...

Hi all,

I just want to recap.
We've released Zaeed, the Normandy Crash, Cerberus Shotgun and Armor. Were these high quality peices of free content? Yes.
There will be more on the way. When? We will be able to announce details pretty soon - but i want to reiterate how committed to quality we are. It would be easy to announce something and deliver on a promised date with lacklustre quality. That's not how BioWare does it.

Zaeed comes with any new game so it shouldn't even be considered as a DLC but just a 'part of the game to make it look like you gave us DLC' Normandy Crash site is such a sorry excuse of a DLC I don't see it as a DLC, and Cerberus shotgun and armor that I don't use because no toggle off/on feature.

I mean it's cool 'DLC' but don't try to justify anything with what you said.

[llinsane1ll]

But I do agree that BioWare should take its time to make great quality DLC

[-Skorpious-]

newcomplex wrote...

Doug4130 wrote...

give them a break man. Has anything ever not been worth the wait?

To be fair, return to ostragar was not worth the wait.    Or any paid DLC for that matter =_=

The Shivering Isles DLC from Oblivion makes this statement void. 

[Fluffeh Kitteh]

Terror_K wrote...

It's not BioWare's fault that most of today's "gamers" have such short attention spans and will trade in a game if they can't find something new each and every day.

I think the real issue here is people having expectations that are so high they they start to get the impression that they are entitled to goddam 100% perfection.

And from the thread title it's evident such people love to fault Bioware for doing what any game developer would do in marketing a product. Sure I can understand blaming Bioware for things like replacing the lousy Mako with the eually lousy planet scanning, but anyone claiming that the high fan expectations are Bioware's fault is a fool. I say this because I am dead certain if Bioware were to do the opposite and not hype up the game, the same person will still complain that Bioware is not giving the game enough attention, etc.

[Nayt Navare]

the game has been out for what, a month? And had Zaeed, armor and shotty, and Normandy crash? That's three pieces of DLC, regardless of size and contribution, that's a lot more than other games ever get (including Mass Effect 1). I understand wanting more info, hell, I CRAVE IT, but please, I ask that my fellow fans relax, realize that they've got work to do before they can release it, and wait.



Just my two cents.

[TornadoADV]

The only really good pieces of DLC for Mass Effect is Bring Down The Sky and Zaeed, the rest are half thoughts.

Modifié par TornadoADV, 25 février 2010 - 07:42 .

[Zack56]

Let me take you off topic for just a bit...

Lets say that your a vulcanologist and it's your job to keep an eye on the activity of the local volcano. The volcano starts to act up and you and your team are trying to desperately figure out when and how it will errupt so you can evacuate the town nearby. When the volcano and its readings suddenly flare up, you call in for some people to check your readings. By the time it takes for the people to get to you, the volcano settles down. This makes the people see you as un-reliable and un-able to do your job quickly and effectively. With such an important job, you don't want that. The pressure to tell exactly when the volcano is going to blow is so great, that if your wrong and it doesn't blow up when you say it will, your reputation as a vulcinologist is destroyed and you are never trusted to do your job again and it's possible the volcano will errupt anyway just at a later time. When the pressure is that great, the vulcanologist actually WANTS the volcano to errupt even knowing that when it does, it will destroy all the homes and buildings and homes of the city... This is because when the volcano errupts when you say it will, people will see you as capable of doing your job and assuring the safety of the people of the town from the volcano.



What I have just said is completely true in terms of pressure to do your job. Game designers can also be under the same ammount of stress when near the final stages of development or after a small piece of info has been released.



My point is that the game developers are under a LOT of stress right now to get these DLC out for us on time and us demanding a report for even the smallest delay just makes it that much worse. Give them some slak. If they say they are working on something, they are hard at work on it to make it as perfect as possible and it WILL be released for us to enjoy.

[Kondorr]

Michael Gamble wrote...

Hi all,

I just want to recap.
We've released Zaeed, the Normandy Crash, Cerberus Shotgun and Armor. Were these high quality peices of free content? Yes.

Well, I would disagree...

Normandy Crash Site was... a gimick... like the space hamster, nice to watch it once... but lets not go all "super-quality DLC" about it.
Zaed... well... there is no recruitment mission, only the loyality mission (which is great fun), there are no real dialogs on the Normandy, so when you put Zaed against the rest of the crew... then quality-wise, this is not that great but it WAS a lot of fun!
Shotgun and Armor - If you compare quality wise any additional armor with the highly customizable N7 armor... then no... even if for free... they should have released simply the armor parts as N7 parts and everyone would be happy (I have not used ANY of the extra armor)! And the shotgun is just a shotgun...

So... as free content... it's nice... but when you forget about the lack of price... and compare the quality to the stuff already in game... than the quality is NOT top!

It's only short lived fun... better than Pinnacle Station? Yes. Equal to the ME2-Standard content? No.

Don't get me wrong... I luv the game, am on my second play-through with ME1 and I appreciate the content given out so far... but I also can't wait for some substantial DLC... or rather an announcement of it! 

I don't blame the community for the pressure for DLC on BioWare... they did actually overhype it a bit! Especially with that unnecessary twitter announcement (and after the massive let down to the community by the ME1 DLC Bioware was supposed to redeem itself, that is what they said)!

What I believe is wrong, is not the DLC, or the lack of it... just the lack of reliable dialogue between the gamer community and the dev's.


There you have it.... my 5 cents
 

[Razor124]

Kondorr wrote...

It's only short lived fun... better than Pinnacle Station? Yes. Equal to the ME2-Standard content? No.

Tell me... How exactly is the Normandy Crash Site better DLC than Pinnacle Station?! At least PS gave you like 8 missions to do (all be them repetetive)... The NCS is simply an area that's nice to look at with no real value other than a junk helmet on a desk in the captain's quarters and 800 free (i believe it was) iridium.

I'm not trying to start a war here, i'm just saying content-wise, PS takes it hands down...

[Piwgh]

-Skorpious- wrote...

newcomplex wrote...

Doug4130 wrote...

give them a break man. Has anything ever not been worth the wait?

To be fair, return to ostragar was not worth the wait.    Or any paid DLC for that matter =_=

The Shivering Isles DLC from Oblivion makes this statement void. 

Best DLC ever. Last I checked it's still #1 rated on XBL for game addons.

[jamskinner]

Razor124 wrote...

Kondorr wrote...

It's only short lived fun... better than Pinnacle Station? Yes. Equal to the ME2-Standard content? No.

Tell me... How exactly is the Normandy Crash Site better DLC than Pinnacle Station?! At least PS gave you like 8 missions to do (all be them repetetive)... The NCS is simply an area that's nice to look at with no real value other than a junk helmet on a desk in the captain's quarters and 800 free (i believe it was) iridium.

I'm not trying to start a war here, i'm just saying content-wise, PS takes it hands down...

Hey, don't forget the experience points.

[Kondorr]

Kondorr wrote...

Normandy Crash Site was... a gimick... like the space hamster, nice to watch it once... but lets not go all "super-quality DLC" about it.

That is what I had to say about the NCS DLC. 

You quoted my statement regarding all of the released DLCs to date!
Besides... you had to pay for PS content... you did not have to pay for the NCS... 

Of course no Flame war intended

[Terror_K]

Let's be realistic here too: the DLC has all been free thus far. To complain about the quality of something you aren't even getting charged for is pretty petty. Seriously... what are you people expecting for something that costs absolutely NOTHING. People put effort into making these things, and you're complaining despite the fact that it didn't cost you anything whatsoever? Seriously... get over yourself. It's the same with people who complained about Fallout 3's DLC and even RtO. You're getting an hour to an hour and a half of new content, which you can play repeatedly, and complaining about it when it costs about as much as a fast food meal you'll eat only once and forget about.



Okay, one exception to this may be the various armours where we can't even remove the helmet... in a game like Mass Effect where one of the major factors of the game is the ability to create your own Shepard and the game is extremely cinematic, this is a huge Snafu, IMO. As far as I'm concerned, you may as well not release these armours at all if this is the case, and worst of all many of these were pre-order bonuses and we, the customers, had no idea this was the case until we had the game installed. THAT is something worth complaining about given the type of game Mass Effect is. The rest... the rest is just being petty.

[TornadoADV]

Basically just BDTS was any good.

[Razor124]

Kondorr wrote...

Kondorr wrote...

Normandy Crash Site was... a gimick... like the space hamster, nice to watch it once... but lets not go all "super-quality DLC" about it.

That is what I had to say about the NCS DLC. 

You quoted my statement regarding all of the released DLCs to date!
Besides... you had to pay for PS content... you did not have to pay for the NCS... 

Of course no Flame war intended

No flaming intended... simply civil, adult conversation...

So to my arguement... While the Armor and shotty, Zaeed, and NCS were free, if you added them up the total content would be far less than that of PS. We paid 10 bucks (800 MS pts) for PS, i wouldn't have paid 5 for all 3 sets of dlc... (Zaeed is just a crappy Garrus clone anyway)

And if they're counting the Cerberus Network as DLC... I mean give me a break! That shipped with the friggin game, which means it was ready at launch, which means it was part of the initial game, which means BW had NO right to charge ANYONE for it in the first place...

Besides, it's not like actual DLC, it's just a network that tells us when we might have DLC...

Anywho, i've lost where I was going with this... I think it was...

"Bioware needs to come off their high-horse and start realizing that their "perfect game" that everyone loves still needs a lot of work and devotion to remain that way. And calling what they've given us thus far "the highest quality pieces of content" is simply unacceptable..."

Modifié par Razor124, 25 février 2010 - 08:39 .