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[RobbertDewulf]

I don't care when they launch things, I only care if it's worthy, the only thing I really would like to have in DLC's is new cities to explore, besides the extra missions already announced.

[Razor124]

Terror_K wrote...

Let's be realistic here too: the DLC has all been free thus far. To complain about the quality of something you aren't even getting charged for is pretty petty. Seriously... what are you people expecting for something that costs absolutely NOTHING. People put effort into making these things, and you're complaining despite the fact that it didn't cost you anything whatsoever? Seriously... get over yourself. It's the same with people who complained about Fallout 3's DLC and even RtO. You're getting an hour to an hour and a half of new content, which you can play repeatedly, and complaining about it when it costs about as much as a fast food meal you'll eat only once and forget about.

Okay, one exception to this may be the various armours where we can't even remove the helmet... in a game like Mass Effect where one of the major factors of the game is the ability to create your own Shepard and the game is extremely cinematic, this is a huge Snafu, IMO. As far as I'm concerned, you may as well not release these armours at all if this is the case, and worst of all many of these were pre-order bonuses and we, the customers, had no idea this was the case until we had the game installed. THAT is something worth complaining about given the type of game Mass Effect is. The rest... the rest is just being petty.

I stopped reading this exactly ONE sentence in... You can't say we "aren't getting charged for something" if we've already paid over 65 dollars for it... I'd say for that much money they'd better give us as much damn content as possible!

Modifié par Razor124, 25 février 2010 - 08:49 .

[Massadonious1]

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Modifié par Stanley Woo, 25 février 2010 - 09:00 .

[Jebel Krong]

man, some of you have a real sense of entitlement, don't ya? oh and javi is just someone from the old forums who was made a mod here - he doesn't work for BW.

[Razor124]

Jebel Krong wrote...

man, some of you have a real sense of entitlement, don't ya? oh and javi is just someone from the old forums who was made a mod here - he doesn't work for BW.

That may be so, but it was Michael gamble that said what we said he said...

[Terror_K]

Razor124 wrote...

I stopped reading this exactly ONE sentence in... You can't say we "aren't getting charged for something" if we've already spent over 65 dollars for it... I'd say for that much money they'd better give us as much damn content as possible!

You're kidding, right? <_<

You paid money for the retail game, so expect to get a whole bunch of extra content for free just because of that?

Seriously... are you new to gaming, or were you outraged back in the days before XBox when the idea of DLC for a game was nothing more than a glint in the eye of a Microsoft executive? Did you feel you were getting ripped off because you weren't getting free levels for Lemmings from Psygnosis, or for Syndicate from Bullfrog every few months on a disk in the mail?

We are entitled to NOTHING. It's a courtesy that they give us DLC at all, let alone FREE DLC. And with people spouting nonsense like this and expecting to be owed by BioWare just because they purchased their game, it's a wonder they're nice enough to even do that.

[Balerion84]

 

[Kondorr]

Modifié par Kondorr, 25 février 2010 - 09:03 .

[HeavyTankZA]

Michael Gamble wrote...

Hi all,

I just want to recap.
We've released Zaeed, the Normandy Crash, Cerberus Shotgun and Armor. Were these high quality peices of free content? Yes.
There will be more on the way. When? We will be able to announce details pretty soon - but i want to reiterate how committed to quality we are. It would be easy to announce something and deliver on a promised date with lacklustre quality. That's not how BioWare does it.

Thanks for the clarification

seriously people should just chill and wait a bit. the Hammerhead and other dlc are natrually gonna take longer because they are gonna add some substantial stuff to the game from the looks of it.

just be calm folks. it'll come and it'll be awesome (for me atleast)

[Razor124]

Terror_K wrote...

Razor124 wrote...

I stopped reading this exactly ONE sentence in... You can't say we "aren't getting charged for something" if we've already spent over 65 dollars for it... I'd say for that much money they'd better give us as much damn content as possible!

You're kidding, right? <_<

You paid money for the retail game, so expect to get a whole bunch of extra content for free just because of that?

Seriously... are you new to gaming, or were you outraged back in the days before XBox when the idea of DLC for a game was nothing more than a glint in the eye of a Microsoft executive? Did you feel you were getting ripped off because you weren't getting free levels for Lemmings from Psygnosis, or for Syndicate from Bullfrog every few months on a disk in the mail?

We are entitled to NOTHING. It's a courtesy that they give us DLC at all, let alone FREE DLC. And with people spouting nonsense like this and expecting to be owed by BioWare just because they purchased their game, it's a wonder they're nice enough to even do that.

I see your point... But the fact that a disc costs about 30 cents to make and the plastic case it comes in is even lase... it just drives me crazy how much they get away with charging! (yes, I realize we also pay for the labor that went into the game... but come one... 30 ppl make the game, 2 million buy it i'd hardly call that fair... if we did the math, that'd be like paying the employees that worked on ME2 roughly 4,333,333 dollars each... just for the 2 years they spent on the game...)

So yes... for that much profit, i expect a little free content!

[Icinix]

You forgot logistics, power bills and marketing. Also the piles of people who worked indirectly in other areas such as administration, janitorial etc.

Then you take out the mark-up from the places you bought it from (EB games, Walmart, Steam etc) and they don't make as much profit as you might think. That profit then goes into games down the track such as ME3.

Downloadable content is a privilege and not something they HAVE to do. NOR do they HAVE to do it for free.

[Massadonious1]

I've paid as much, if not more for less than 30-40 hours of content.



Anything they do after the fact is just gravy.

[Jebel Krong]

Razor124 wrote...

I see your point... But the fact that a disc costs about 30 cents to make and the plastic case it comes in is even lase... it just drives me crazy how much they get away with charging! (yes, I realize we also pay for the labor that went into the game... but come one... 30 ppl make the game, 2 million buy it i'd hardly call that fair... if we did the math, that'd be like paying the employees that worked on ME2 roughly 4,333,333 dollars each... just for the 2 years they spent on the game...)

So yes... for that much profit, i expect a little free content!

see the credits - a lot more than 30 people made this game... ok it's not quite movie-level numbers, but it's easily in the hundreds, let alone marketing/manufacturing costs on top. this is why most games have to sell 2million+ just to turn a profit these days (as far as i know me2 is well above that already).

[LoweGear]

Razor124 wrote...

30 ppl make the game, 2 million buy it i'd hardly call that fair... if we did the math, that'd be like paying the employees that worked on ME2 roughly 4,333,333 dollars each... just for the 2 years they spent on the game...)

You do know that games are expensive to produce these days right? Just the voice actors alone would've set the production costs high - I could only imagine what it took to get big names like Martin Sheen, Tricia Helfer, Carrie Ann-Moss, Steve Blum and others into the game. And that's not counting other expenses like paying for licenses and legal fees to equipment, manpower and others.

I would not want to sound like I actually know all these things, but I can imagine the expense and effort put into the game is enormous, just like all other big games today.

[Bamboo33]

30 ppl make the game

Sort of lol.

Modifié par Bamboo33, 25 février 2010 - 09:44 .

[LoweGear]

Also, people these days seem to forget that games are privilege, not a right - games are not needs like food or water, they're a luxury; entertainment. Bioware has no legal obligation to provide free downloadable content whatsoever, and we as consumers have are not pressured nor coerced to buy the game. We buy the game because we WANT to. You can express your opinion of the game whether good or bad, but beyond giving us the game they are not obligated whatsoever to continue to provide additional content, because technically they have already sold their product.

The fact that they are giving away additional content for free, instead of charging us for it is a laudable enough action already - many games are more expensive and yet have less content and support. We should be grateful enough already instead of acting like spoiled brats who think they haven't been given enough.

Modifié par LoweGear, 25 février 2010 - 09:51 .

[Balerion84]

Kids these days...

[Varenus Luckmann]

rwilli80 wrote...

Varenus Luckmann wrote...
Zaeed; a character without recruitment mission and basic ("basic" defined as "to the same extent as all other squaddies") dialogue.

Except Zaeed is a mercenary so he doesn't need to be recruited, he took your money, recruitment mission over.

What is Thane again?
Oh right, an Assassin for hire.

You're acting like it'd be too much to ask to have something similar for Zaeed (not the same premise, of course, but him being a Merc, similar to Thane, is a very poor excuse to not have a recruitment mission).

[Varenus Luckmann]

ImperialOperative wrote...

Varenus Luckmann wrote...

Zaeed; a character without recruitment mission and basic ("basic" defined as "to the same extent as all other squaddies") dialogue.

Cerberus Shotgun & Armor; a near-OP (arguably OP, period) piece of weaponry awarded for simply booting up the game and an armor hardly anyone is using, because there's a bucket glued on (similar to all Armor DLC).

Normandy Crash Site.. yeah, that was pretty neat. It wasn't big, grand or extremely special, but it had a feeling to it and it fit well into the story. Only thing I can complain about is the way the mission is handed out out of the blue at the start of the game. I would've recommended delaying it until at least a mission was done, so it'd feel more natural to recieve it, but yeah.. Normandy Crash Site was nice.

If you were truly committed to DLC, you'd treat DLC as natural expansions of the game, not as mods to be glued on.

Satisfaction: you will never know it.

Quality: You will never know it.

[Tony_Knightcrawler]

Normal people say "5 weeks" or "6 weeks" as well as "a month and a week" and "a month and a half." They said they'd deliver content within weeks, but that doesn't necessarily mean less than a month. It just means it'd be relatively soon.

Varenus Luckmann wrote...

rwilli80 wrote...

Varenus
Luckmann wrote...
Zaeed; a character without recruitment mission and
basic ("basic" defined as "to the same extent as all other squaddies")
dialogue.

Except Zaeed is a mercenary so he doesn't
need to be recruited, he took your money, recruitment mission
over.

What is Thane again?
Oh right, an Assassin for hire.

You're
acting like it'd be too much to ask to have something similar for Zaeed
(not the same premise, of course, but him being a Merc, similar to
Thane, is a very poor excuse to not have a recruitment mission).

Seriously? He DOES have a loyalty mission. Seriously...

Modifié par Tony_Knightcrawler, 25 février 2010 - 11:04 .

[corebit]

Razor124 wrote...
I see your point... But the fact that a disc costs about 30 cents to make and the plastic case it comes in is even lase... it just drives me crazy how much they get away with charging! (yes, I realize we also pay for the labor that went into the game... but come one... 30 ppl make the game, 2 million buy it i'd hardly call that fair... if we did the math, that'd be like paying the employees that worked on ME2 roughly 4,333,333 dollars each... just for the 2 years they spent on the game...)

So yes... for that much profit, i expect a little free content!

God you're so clueless it's not even funny.
Will somebody post the facepalm pic for me please...

[ammit23]

The player community should be careful about sympathizing with BW employees. They're just that, employees. They go to work, do their thing, and go home. They get weekends off and vacations. Some care more about their jobs and what it all means or stands for. Some don't. Just because it's a video game developer studio doesn't mean its magically different than any other workplace in the world.



Just because one of their several projects goes to release doesn't mean everyone (PR, developers, QA testers, etc) are suddenly on 24/7, in fact I doubt any of them lacked for time off just because it was Jan26 or thereafter. Just because it's a software company doesn't mean that every employee isn't just doing what they're told to do by the "boss man" (think Office Space). Just because the company has products with a chat forum doesn't mean the employees feel any pressure or anguish based on what we say... the volcano example was an extremely melodramatic analogy (admitedly, Stanley Woo is the exception there).



Also, just because it's a game or software developer company doesn't mean they're exempt from the rules of business. If customers get dissatisfied, disgruntled, or otherwise loose faith and interest in your products, the company suffers. Individuals have repeatedly shown their ability to affect even large corporations. Gaming is a business with a relatively limited customer base (compared to say Toyota), so the individual customers have an even larger potential to influence the company.

[Kolos2]

Michael Gamble wrote...

That's not how BioWare does it.

Sorry if i offend, i support Bioware and all, but your statement is directly in conflict with the DLC history of the company; 
Pinnacle Station, Return to Ostagard , Stone Prisoner...is that how bioware does it ? So far we know, Yes it is

And second the time farme  for the next dlc was annouced;

  

[Dormiglione]

I dont get it. What's all this stress about new content. Do you really dont have better/other things to do? Maybe a walk in the park, watch TV, visit your friends, what ever you want.

[Terror_K]

Yes, but there are times when complaints are justified and times when complaints are petty. Complaining that DLC isn't substantial enough when its free and complaining that it's not coming fast enough when the game hasn't even been out a month is pretty damn petty, IMO.



If you're paying money for something and feel ripped-off that's one thing, but complaining that you're not getting enough content that you're not even paying for is another. It's justified to complain if you feel you got the Collector's Edition and didn't think it was worth the price difference for the stuff you got, and some people may very well feel that's the case (I personally thought the bonus DVD was

lackluster myself, but I feel the Art Book, comic and better packaging was worth it. Bonus content would have been had the armour allowed removable helmets, though the guns were cool).



Same when Return to Ostagar came out for Dragon Age. A lot of people complained about that, but look at what you're paying for it. Let's not forget that Dragon Age cost the same as a standard game (a bit more admittedly if you got the Collector's Edition) and yet is at 10 times longer than the average game today if you're a completionist... and that's just in ONE playthrough as ONE class.