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[Contempt6289]

Joshua Hawkeye wrote...

Riot Inducer wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Riot Inducer wrote...
And assuming the next DLC will be covered by the Cerberus Network they're not even doing this for profit, it's just out of the goodness of their hearts.

Sure, that's just how corporations roll.  Altruism.

seriously? did you even read the first part of that sentence? If it's covered by the Cerberus Network nobody with a new copy of the game is going to have to pay anything for this DLC so all the man hours BioWare puts into it won't earn them another dime. 

Awesome DLC can convert software pirates to go legal, for one.

Awsome DLC is on the torrent sites within two hours of being relesed.

hex23 wrote...

Bioware said "a couple weeks" which isn't
specific at all. Matter of fact it's ironic you're asking them to
comment, because unless they have an exact date it's going to be vague
again, and people will complain AGAIN. So to me anyway it's better for
Bioware to not even comment until they have the exact date.

A couple is two, jsut an FYI. If taken literally them saying "A couple
weeks" is the same as saying "In two weeks".

Modifié par Contempt6289, 25 février 2010 - 08:01 .

[TSMUK]

yawn it will be ready when it is further discussion is pointless

Modifié par TSMUK, 25 février 2010 - 08:05 .

[VironZ]

Ascarus wrote...

Zaeed: a forgettable character with a forgettable personal mission. i could not have cared less about his vendetta against whatever his name was.

Normandy Crash: running around picking up dog tags = fun? maybe for someone.

Cerberus Shotgun: at least you had another option. i guess.

Cerberus Armor: hideous -- i enjoyed the look of my custom armor over that **** white and yellow thing.

that's true commitment to quality.

Modifié par VironZ, 25 février 2010 - 08:11 .

[VironZ]

I liked the DLC through - just voicing someones opinion, I liked the feeling of coming back to Normandy remains, Zaeed could be a bit more involved through and the only thing I disliked was the Armour which I just stored.

Modifié par VironZ, 25 février 2010 - 08:10 .

[Console Cowboy]

wow some of you are really harsh on the DLC. i know my last post was kinda snarky but i've been into all the DLC so far (except the helmets thing). i know Zaeed's war stories are a far cry from interactive wheel dialogue, but if nothing else he's worth having just for the extra mission. and the new shotgun kicks butt.

[Jax Sparrow]

I think corporations are much more altruistic than the government is.  As for the topic? go out and walk the dog... watch a movie and a t.v. show or two... maybe read a book.... or play another round of Mass Effect.  As William Shatner says "Get a Life"... whining, and whining about whining, on forums does little to positively change the situation.

Modifié par Jax Sparrow, 25 février 2010 - 08:18 .

[SpockLives]

Michael Gamble wrote...

Hi all,

I just want to recap.
We've released Zaeed, the Normandy Crash, Cerberus Shotgun and Armor. Were these high quality peices of free content? Yes.
There will be more on the way. When? We will be able to announce details pretty soon - but i want to reiterate how committed to quality we are. It would be easy to announce something and deliver on a promised date with lacklustre quality. That's not how BioWare does it.

Thank you, Michael, for giving us a response.  I do believe that most Bioware DLC has been good (and occasionally great) quality.  However, perhaps you have heard of Pinacle Station and Return to Ostagar?  Ironicaly, RtO is the reason I'm glad no one from Bioware has given us a date.  I don't want anyone getting my hopes up with so much as an estimate.  Just tell us when it's released.  And give us helmet toggle.

[Terror_K]

Demigod wrote...

Zaeed was so mediocre he may as well not have been released (imho) he adds nothing to the story breaks blue sun continuity with the first book (I cant get the time line to square but I could be wrong) and once his loyalty mission is done I don't see the point in using him. It may be a bug but he failed to appear in some latter cut scenes where the whole team was present.

I have to disagree. Again, to start of and ram the point home, Zaeed was free. Sure, he didn't have a recruitment quest on the level of the original lot and he didn't have proper conversations aboard the Normandy like the others, but considering he had a loyalty mission on a really cool looking planet with loads of fully-voiced dialogue, some great cinematic cutscenes and even some moral choices and interrupts, I think for something we didn't pay for he was damn good value. Sure, he's no Shale from DAO, but then again unless you got Shale as your freebie DLC code in the box, he cost too, and was in fact a bargain even then. I'd even say Zaeed would be worth $5 US, and he easily could have been. Or BioWare could have made his mission extremely short with only one outcome on a boring world with an ME1 style little base where you just shoot guys until a pop-up box comes up saying you've completed Zaeed's mission, and they didn't do that either.

Normandy crash was ok for the reminiscing bits but not exactly deep. Who were the 20 dead crew members? No names at all meant I had no connection to them, they were supposed to be your crew who died not 20 tokens sonic forgot to pick up.

Uhhh... you're wrong there. If you were paying attention, you'd notice that there's a name attached to every single tag you pick up.

[ammit23]

Varenus Luckmann wrote...

Merci357 wrote...

ammit23 wrote...

Terror_K wrote...
If you're paying money for something and feel ripped-off that's one thing, but complaining that you're not getting enough content that you're not even paying for is another.

How exactly is it supposed to be free when the only way to access it is to buy the game or buy a cerberus network account.  That's like saying "I bought a car but I don't expect to get wheels with it"

So, to stay with your car logic - you got your fully functional car. What's there to complain, you get even free extras for it, soon.

Because with that car, I also got a certificate, saying that I'd get cup holders at a later date.
That certificate and promise of a cup holder was part of the car deal.

Well put! But I'd put it more along the lines of the radio. Sure you can use the car without it, but it's not the same experience without it.  Cup holders, I have to admit, I just don't care about and wouldn't have gone for the sales pitch in the first place if a company really thinks cup holders are that important.

XxTaLoNxX wrote...
To chime in, we are not OWED anything at this point. When you bought the game you may have been aware of the Cerberus Network and how it was going to work. They told you they would release free content through the network at regular intervals, they have already completed that promise. We got Zaeed and a weapon and an armor set. Deal is done at that point, it's nice that they are going to continue giving us free stuff so STOP COMPLAINING. They also told us that they were planning some DLC that we would have to pay for, as of yet we have no information on that but since when has a company EVER told you what was in the works for DLC? Never. So again STFU.

Actually, let's cut the hype and take a look back at the actual Jan19 announcement from BW... emphasis is mine:

"The Cerberus Network augments and extends the rich universe of Mass Effect 2," said Dr. Ray Muzyka, co-founder, BioWare and Group General Manager of the RPG/MMO Group of EA. "We're thrilled to be able to reward loyal BioWare and Mass Effect
fans with ongoing, high quality content and provide a direct channel
for our players to dive deeper into the intriguing lore of Mass Effect."
Players who access 'The Cerberus Network' will receive the first DLC pack on January 26th
(launch day in North America) featuring new missions and in-game items.
Included in this pack is a mission that introduces Zaeed, a rugged and
deadly gun-for-hire who is recruited to join Commander Shepard's
mission to save mankind.After launch, BioWare will release another DLC pack for Mass Effect 2 that introduces the Hammerhead, a new vehicle in the Mass Effect universe. This agile hover tank features improved handling on rough terrain and maneuvers deftly in combat -- a necessity for players traveling across harsh planetary environments throughout the galaxy. In addition to this new vehicle, BioWare will release new missions and unique in-game items, including Cerberus Assault Armor which boost shields, health and heavy weapon ammo and the M-22 Eviscerator Shotgun."

So we have some fluff about rewarding the "loyal" fans, and promises of (in order of his quote)
(1) A release-day DLC (yup, got that)
(2) hammerhead (nope, haven't even heard a peep about it from BW ever since)
(3) Cerberus armor and shotgun (yup, got that)

Now, I didn't see any discount on ME2 compared to typical games, so none of this is free.  They just charged me for it already.  So yes, I'm going to express my dislike of their delay or even possible complete avoidance of getting me the 3rd out of 3 things I was promised. If you're happy with nothing, then I'm happy for you and you shouldn't bother checking back here for the next 6 months.  If you're not happy, say something or BW and other companies won't learn that they will be held to their promises.  It's like raising a child... if they do something wrong and there's no consequence, they grow up thinking it's okay to take a &#$()# in the middle of the living room!!!  Companies have been brought down for less, and BW should remember that.  No, I'm not making threats, I'm discussing economic history.

At the end of it all, I'm only asking for (demanding, whatever semantics you want to play) is a no-kidding actual update from BW on whether the hammerhead is still coming and about when it might come out (days, weeks, months).  If they hadn't promised it in the first place i wouldn't care when it came out.  How DA:O/RtO played out didn't bother me one bit.  Seeing BW almost completely disappear from the ME2 forums a month after release as people are getting anxious for what they'd been promised... that makes me question their integrity as a company and their ability as software developers to perform - funny how many other game and other software companies can develop, QA, and release on pre-defined schedules.

[ammit23]

Okay, I got exactly what I asked for as I was writing that previous post.  Just as I said, that's all I asked.  I'll be quiet now.

[Demigod]

Terror_K wrote...

Demigod wrote...

Zaeed was so mediocre he may as well not have been released (imho) he adds nothing to the story breaks blue sun continuity with the first book (I cant get the time line to square but I could be wrong) and once his loyalty mission is done I don't see the point in using him. It may be a bug but he failed to appear in some latter cut scenes where the whole team was present.

I have to disagree. Again, to start of and ram the point home, Zaeed was free. Sure, he didn't have a recruitment quest on the level of the original lot and he didn't have proper conversations aboard the Normandy like the others, but considering he had a loyalty mission on a really cool looking planet with loads of fully-voiced dialogue, some great cinematic cutscenes and even some moral choices and interrupts, I think for something we didn't pay for he was damn good value. Sure, he's no Shale from DAO, but then again unless you got Shale as your freebie DLC code in the box, he cost too, and was in fact a bargain even then. I'd even say Zaeed would be worth $5 US, and he easily could have been. Or BioWare could have made his mission extremely short with only one outcome on a boring world with an ME1 style little base where you just shoot guys until a pop-up box comes up saying you've completed Zaeed's mission, and they didn't do that either.

Normandy crash was ok for the reminiscing bits but not exactly deep. Who were the 20 dead crew members? No names at all meant I had no connection to them, they were supposed to be your crew who died not 20 tokens sonic forgot to pick up.

Uhhh... you're wrong there. If you were paying attention, you'd notice that there's a name attached to every single tag you pick up.

free is nice Im not saying free is bad but

Zaeed was still mediocre in comparison to any other companion, I will happily admit the start of his mission looks cool, but it is the shortest  of the loyalties at least for me, it only took 25 minutes and would have been shorter without the respawn room halfway through and I still dont give a damn about him at the end of it, there is no emotional connection at all at least for me. It could have been so much better, probably, if we had paid for it.

Being free meant he was just an after thought really. No mission to pick him up, no interaction other than three short  "i did this in my career aren't I great" bits which left him as the only companion I never felt was part of the team because frankly he wasn't and I certainly couldn't give a damn about helping him. If I hadn't been a completionist I wouldn't have bothered second time through. He felt tacked on because he was. He was free and he was mediocre because of it. Yes it could be worse and it but this is bioware, my point was that while free he still isn't much to shout about (Imho)


The dog tags really have names? All Ive  see on the popup before it zooms off is the counter. I will have to look again thanks for pointing it out. But again though that is kind of the point - Quality. No list of names no email with the names of those collected no message from the families after, just one formulaic email from Hackett. But again the names are there, and the crash was certainly the best of the dlc's so far. I will have to play it again to try and see them does it have their position as well or just rank?

My point isn't that I don't like free stuff, who doesn't , my point is that in these dlc the quality is so much lower than what bioware has done before and is already in game, even if it is free, that boasting about the quality of the dlc so far is a bit blinkered.

I have no problem with them taking as long as they need to make them free or paid for, I like dlc. I just don't think the ones so far with the possible exception of the crash have been that good. Perhaps its because I love bioware games so much that these dlc just feel like s step downwards in quality to me. They could have been better but aren't because they are free?

I would add If they are going to offer a new companion make it a real added companion like Shale, and yes charge for it, don't just give us a tacked on character with a new weapon type that we can happily forget about.

Modifié par Demigod, 26 février 2010 - 01:26 .