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[Collider]

LN19 wrote...
Humanoid shape isn't nearly enough to justify attraction... because some of them have three fingers, multi-colored skin, non-human facial features, non-human body features...pretty much everything that makes them aliens as opposed to humans, that's what is undoubtedly unattractive to me.

I'm not saying that humanoid shape alone is enough. But it is extremely important. People have fallen in love with people of physical disabilities or of other skin colors.

But you seem to be really exaggerating the differences. Obviously, if these races were not capable of higher thought, they wouldn't be attractive in any meaningful sense.

[Goat_Shepard]

Darht Jayder wrote...

Neria Rose wrote...

Darht Jayder wrote...

Your point on blue space babes.....I see what you are saying now and agree.

For the rest of it  fair enough.  But whatever you call it ....mind melding or intercourse, they were written as they only ones who could reproduce with another species.  In Me 2 that all went out the window it seems and many species now can do it in one way or another.  To me that is a huge inconsistency.

Who said anything about reproducing? I thought this was about recreational sex, not attempts at making mutant babies.

Whether it is recreational or not...it has to make sense and it doesn't

HAHAHAHA OMG LOL MOMENT OF THE DAY! Since when did the level of sensibility stop anyone from doing something? Do you know how much we do that doesn't make sense? This post would be too long.

And by the way, if recreational sex doesn't make sense to you, you're hopeless.

[Pauravi]

Ieldra2 wrote...

But the silliness does not lie in the assumption that humans are attracted to aliens with humanoid shapes, like Tali's. They clearly are, or would be, or we wouldn't have this discussion. The complete nonsense lies in the assumption that so many aliens develop features that look attractive to humans in the first place.

While I agree with you that it is an exceedingly unlikely scenario that other aliens would actually appear attractive to us, if we were to discover some, I don't think that was the OPs point, nor was it the point of the person I was responding to.

The OP just thought it was bizarre that people were even attracted to the alien characters in the first place.  The person I responded to agreed, citing things like Tali's 3-fingered hands and 2-toed feet.  I was simply pointing out that for many people those details simply don't matter -- we key in on other things, visually speaking.

I'll excuse Bioware for this kind of stuff because, from a character development perspective, it makes it much easier to relate to, sympathize with, and communicate with an alien that can make use of the same facial and body-language cues that humans do.  The game doesn't need to be a realistic lesson in theoretical xenobiology.

[Llandaryn]

Pauravi wrote...

I was simply pointing out that for many people those details simply don't matter -- we key in on other things, visually speaking.

I'll excuse Bioware for this kind of stuff because, from a character development perspective, it makes it much easier to relate to, sympathize with, and communicate with an alien that can make use of the same facial and body-language cues that humans do.  The game doesn't need to be a realistic lesson in theoretical xenobiology.

QED.

There are many things that different people find attractive. For some, it's a well-proportioned face. For others it's a toned body. Others respond to character traits like humour, whilst others perk up at a particular tone of voice. There's nothing really set in stone about what attracts one person to another (or one person to a game character). It's partially the way our brains are wired, and partially as a result of "nurture" over "nature" -- we grow up with our own ideals of what is attractive, largely influenced by those around us (what Pratchett, Stewart and Cohen refer to as the "make your own human kit").

[Iokastos]

well' there's more to romance than appearance no?

[Nuegen]

Ieldra2 wrote...


 In the face of this, it should be considered an absolute miracle if even one alien species existed with human-compatible attraction triggers. In an even remotely plausible SF universe, such a thing should be considered a major defining feature, requiring an extraordinary explanation within this fictional universe that connects life on star systems very far from each other, for I would take it as a given that this alien species did not develop independently from the human species, that they must have common ancesters, and that there must've been enough contact, however hidden, between them to prevent the morphology of both races to evolve away from each other.


 

Actually the first ME explained this quite well.  The technology that was left by the Reapers and Protheans was tailored to favor a bipedal species.   Those species that can use it are of course the ones that we would see the most of.  Thus the bipedal abundancy in the ME Galaxy.  There are quite possibly millions of other species like the Hanar that we have not met because they are incapable of using the tools that was left around the galaxy, or they are not evolved enough to have left their own home planets and explore their system like the humans and other races have.   The key to the "intelligent" bipedal life we run across in the game are the fact they are tool users.

As far as the relationships with aliens, to each their own.  A relationship one way or the other is between the two individuals, no one elses business.  You can be for it or against it but in the end, your opinion to those involved shouldn't matter.   Unfortunately society has a habit of deciding that it is their business and making life hard for those individuals who buck the trend.  I would hope the future would see less of this; giving some social evolution as well as physical, luckily the game developers dream of the future in much the same way. 

[ThatDancingTurian]

Disagreed completely. There's nothing silly about it. The fact that they take their differences into account in the subplot and they still want to make it work because - as individuals, regardless of physical obstacles - they want to be with each other, and are willing to do whatever it takes to find a way, is what makes it a beautiful and believable story. No one said it was going to be easy for them to be together, but they're willing to try for each other.

[Obliterati]

Deflagratio wrote...

Obliterati wrote...

In and of itself, yes - interspecies sex is extremely silly. Or rather, the concept of alien species having physical traits attractive to humans is silly. Even our closest genetic relatives here on Earth don't share identical sexual characteristics. We don't find apes to be sexually attractive, and they're practically genetic twins to us.

Well, okay...SOME people probably get off looking at chimpanzee asses...but those people are in the extreme minority, to say the least.

But in the larger scheme of things, in game context, it's...well, it's not any more silly than finding out that Charon is actually an ancient interstellar space runway encased in ice. Asari shouldn't look exactly like humans with the same boobs, same butts and same mating habits. But since they do, why not get it on with them?


tl;dr: Asari are silly, yes. But if Asari DID exist, you know we'd be humping like rabbits.

Genetic disposition has no bearing on a personality or ability of cognition. Kaiden Alenko Summed Aliens up the best. They're just human. Saints and Jerks.

A Sexual attraction based on physical characteristics is not the only means to the end, if you believe that, then you are in for a sad and lonely, unfullfilling life. Many people are more attracted to the personalities. Which probably explains why 2/3 the Female Romances are Aliens and 2/3 the Male romances are Human. Women have the uncanny ability to just close there eyes, and all of a sudden, that's anything's tube checking your fluid levels. Men, not so much.

You misinterpreted what I wrote.

We're not talking about love, we're talking about sex. Those two things can be related, but often they don't have anything to do with one another.

The silliness isn't that one being could love or respect or be commited to a being from a different species. For example: I love my dogs, even though they are a different species, and massively less intelligent, than I.
 
And the silliness isn't that one could feel a sexual attraction towards certain species. I find Tali to be very sexually attractive (for a bunch of pixles). Her secondary sexual characteristics are very...uhh, shapely. And I could find her physically attractive even if I had no respect for her or interest in her emotionally.

In other words: sexual attraction is VERY genetic, but love isn't. I could love a giant space blob, but I probably wouldn't feel a sexual attraction towards it. It's not silly that people are attractied to Tali. It is silly that Tali has human boobs.

[Ieldra]

Obliterati wrote...
In other words: sexual attraction is VERY genetic, but love isn't. I could love a giant space blob, but I probably wouldn't feel a sexual attraction towards it. It's not silly that people are attractied to Tali. It is silly that Tali has human boobs.

QFT. I think this sums it up nicely.

[Goat_Shepard]

Darht Jayder wrote...

Goat_Shepard wrote...


And by the way, if recreational sex doesn't make sense to you, you're hopeless.

Yeah....because that's what I meant.

You said "whether the sex is recreational or not, it has to make sense, and it doesn't", so you are implying that recreational sex doesn't make sense, so I'm saying you're hopeless.

[tsd16]

does anybody find that people dont use the search function to find one of the 50 million other threads just like this instead of posting a new one silly?

Anyway I find it rather funny that people find it so wierd.   There are people on this planet that do far more ****ed up **** than **** aliens.

I was watching a show on tv where people are attracted and commit sexual acts with some real jacked up stuff, such as a car.  Yes a guy that ****s his car.  Or how about people that bone real dolls?  its an inanimate object, yet people do it.   Or women using a vibrator, its a hunk of rubber/plastic being jammed up their ******.

So no, if you find an alien attractive, i see no problem with it.

Modifié par tsd16, 24 février 2010 - 11:13 .

[pizoxuat]

Hey, if it's good enough for Captain James Tiberius Kirk, it's good enough for me!

[Goat_Shepard]

tsd16 wrote...

does anybody find that people dont use the search function to find one of the 50 million other threads just like this instead of posting a new one silly?

Anyway I find it rather funny that people find it so wierd.   There are people on this planet that do far more ****ed up **** than **** aliens.

I was watching a show on tv where people are attracted and commit sexual acts with some real jacked up stuff, such as a car.  Yes a guy that ****s his car.  Or how about people that bone real dolls?  its an inanimate object, yet people do it.   Or women using a vibrator, its a hunk of rubber/plastic being jammed up their ******.

So no, if you find an alien attractive, i see no problem with it.

Exactly. I have seen things here on Earth that make me wish I was not human. And no not just on the internet, I've experienced first-hand the very worst in humans. These aliens on ME are more sapient than many people I've met irl.

Monkey killing monkey killing monkey over pieces of the ground.

[celticeagle13]

i dont understand why people would find it NOT wierd i mean you dont even know if tehy have all teh same "parts" and dont get me started on quarians you have know idea what they look like they could be a fricken bug or something along those lines

[Goat_Shepard]

celticeagle13 wrote...

i dont understand why people would find it NOT wierd i mean you dont even know if tehy have all teh same "parts" and dont get me started on quarians you have know idea what they look like they could be a fricken bug or something along those lines

Which would make me nervous in real life....but since it's a game. Everyone's problem is that they take this game too literally/seriously. 

[newcomplex]

I think the awkwardness is the appeal.

[Collider]

Mukora wrote...

celticeagle13 wrote...

i dont understand why people would find it NOT wierd i mean you dont even know if tehy have all teh same "parts" and dont get me started on quarians you have know idea what they look like they could be a fricken bug or something along those lines

One of the books describes quarians, they look about as human as drell. While I find it highly unlikely that any real alien species would be as attractive as Mass Effect's aliens, it isn't impossible. And i will devote all of my resources to... suspending my disbelief in a video game, because doing otherwise causes unnecessary stress

This is true. In reality, I am willing to assume that any aliens we meet would be wholly unattractive and likely not to be humanoid in shape or structure. This is science fiction, so there is an element of suspension of disbelief to be involved for full enjoyment. But science fiction also allows for some interesting avenues for explanation. I assume that the reapers may have had a hand in the evolution of the races, and perhaps chose to steer the races towards bipedalism and a humanoid-esque body shape.

[epoch_]

Given this situation, with humanoid aliens that look attractive, by our definition, it wouldn't be a stretch at all to see inter species relationships.



Its not really silly at all.

[doctahg]

People seem to be forgetting that the species in the game have been intermingling for hundreds and hundreds of years.....people dont look so WEIRD after all that time. They look weirder to us becaus ewe booted up a game and just saw them for ther first time. If 30 generations of your family went to school with these aliens you'd probably have gotten past their looks by now.

[DirtyVagrant]

doctahg wrote...

People seem to be forgetting that the species in the game have been intermingling for hundreds and hundreds of years.....people dont look so WEIRD after all that time. They look weirder to us becaus ewe booted up a game and just saw them for ther first time. If 30 generations of your family went to school with these aliens you'd probably have gotten past their looks by now.

True, but humans are still new to the galactic areana. It's been, what, 30 something years from the first contact war? I'm actually surprised humans seem okay with interspecies relationships considering, well.... human nature and all...

[Collider]

DirtyVagrant wrote...

doctahg wrote...

People seem to be forgetting that the species in the game have been intermingling for hundreds and hundreds of years.....people dont look so WEIRD after all that time. They look weirder to us becaus ewe booted up a game and just saw them for ther first time. If 30 generations of your family went to school with these aliens you'd probably have gotten past their looks by now.

True, but humans are still new to the galactic areana. It's been, what, 30 something years from the first contact war? I'm actually surprised humans seem okay with interspecies relationships considering, well.... human nature and all...

Shepard is 29 years old. He grew up in a time where humanity was aware and interacting with other species. And not all humans are accepting of aliens.

[DirtyVagrant]

Collider wrote...

DirtyVagrant wrote...

doctahg wrote...

People seem to be forgetting that the species in the game have been intermingling for hundreds and hundreds of years.....people dont look so WEIRD after all that time. They look weirder to us becaus ewe booted up a game and just saw them for ther first time. If 30 generations of your family went to school with these aliens you'd probably have gotten past their looks by now.

True, but humans are still new to the galactic areana. It's been, what, 30 something years from the first contact war? I'm actually surprised humans seem okay with interspecies relationships considering, well.... human nature and all...

Shepard is 29 years old. He grew up in a time where humanity was aware and interacting with other species. And not all humans are accepting of aliens.

I know, I'm just saying, given our social history regarding relationships with people from other countries, skin color, or the same sex... I'm just surprised there isn't anyone going around accusing the asari of being succubus abominations stealing away men to increase the ranks of their own race or some such nonsense.

[grayfox4000]

Markinator_123 wrote...

I did Tali's romance just for kicks and words just can not describe how odd it felt. I saw Garrus's romance on youtube. How can anyone take that relationship seriously? Thane's looked to be the best out of the three, but it still looked very weird to me. I

I think you sound very speciest/racest of other kinds. If you can't take it when we ever do really find alien life as smart or smarter then us and you see 2 one who is human and one who is alien fall in love. Are you going to be sickened by it. Your kind makes me sick. Its not what somebody looks like that matters its whats inside that counts as they have as much of a right to love as we do, they are living breathing things maybe even more human then our own race is to ourselfs as it is at the rate we are going we will blow ourselfs up before that happens wile other species could have gotten past petty differences thousands of years ago. And that could happen at any time. Weather its 10 years from now or 300 years from now or the next day from now.

Besides alot of people are into that who would jump at the chance to romance a alien over a human just because they are different. Its the mystery and the exotic rareness that makes them more appealing then humans. As for me I want more exoticness like tentical hair + long arrow head tipped tails + claws + reptile like skin as I just descriped one of my characters. sprit-x.deviantart.com/art/Alxea-Eve-By-Yamer-88733310 This ver has been cut of the naughty bits. You must not get that if you can't see the sexyness of other alien species. So this makes you very close minded to interspecies love. You can have your humans. I'll take a alien any day over my past gf's. Just go away. We don't want any of your bosh'tet!!! Plus you have no heart... to say that about Tali. I'd jump for a girl that would do that much for me just to be with me. They can't help what they are or what they look like. Just because a black man is black and your white are you going to see that as odd or silly as other people who are black and white loving eachoter. And don't give me this crap about oh but they are human. Its the same reason you'd hate on a alien because they are slightly different in looks then you your going to think they are odd. I'm sick of people like that who think being speciesits is not the same as being raceist... because it is!

Modifié par grayfox4000, 25 février 2010 - 12:36 .