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[OverlordNexas]

DirtyVagrant wrote...

doctahg wrote...

People seem to be forgetting that the species in the game have been intermingling for hundreds and hundreds of years.....people dont look so WEIRD after all that time. They look weirder to us becaus ewe booted up a game and just saw them for ther first time. If 30 generations of your family went to school with these aliens you'd probably have gotten past their looks by now.

True, but humans are still new to the galactic areana. It's been, what, 30 something years from the first contact war? I'm actually surprised humans seem okay with interspecies relationships considering, well.... human nature and all...

Well considering human nature is to **** anything that moves it shouldn't be surprising that we have people going for aliens.

[Marstead]

Huh, I'm kind of embarrassed now that everyone else was so underwhelmed by the Tali romance. I completely bought it, and it actually made me think about xenosexuality. Why does everyone assume that they're all having a direct analog for human male/female sexual intercourse?



I mean, honestly, if two people think each other are rad enough, and want to make each other feel good, does it matter how their uglies are configured? At risk of offending someone, I think the whole xenosexuality thing as it's presented in ME2 (as opposed to the more straightforward asari in ME1) is analogous to homosexuality in this regard. People who are homosexual are obviously not having sexual intercourse, because they can't, but they use the parts available to them to make each other feel good, because they love each other.



I really don't see anything wrong or weird about it. If you think about it, it completely makes sense for galactic society to start heading in this direction; as long as you're not so childish as to assume BioWare is implying that they're all having literal human intercourse with one another. My takeaway from the Tali romance is that she didn't remove her suit; just her mask, and maybe they did some dry grinding but mostly just hung out and did the equivalent of enviro-suit linking. Same for Garrus.

[Tooneyman]

Its silly/ridiciously and just plain weird, but it also makes the games so much fun. !

[LN19]

Collider wrote...

LN19 wrote...
Humanoid shape isn't nearly enough to justify attraction... because some of them have three fingers, multi-colored skin, non-human facial features, non-human body features...pretty much everything that makes them aliens as opposed to humans, that's what is undoubtedly unattractive to me.

I'm not saying that humanoid shape alone is enough. But it is extremely important. People have fallen in love with people of physical disabilities or of other skin colors.

But you seem to be really exaggerating the differences. Obviously, if these races were not capable of higher thought, they wouldn't be attractive in any meaningful sense.

I'm not exggerating differences, they are there, the fact Mordin talks to about the physical and genetic differences should tell you something. 

Maybe I'm shallow, but physical attraction plays just as much as a role in a meaningful relationship, and if there is little to no physical attraction the relationship has little chance of existance, I'm not saying it doesn't happen though.

And I doubt higher thought has a lot to do with it...just personal preference.

[Tooneyman]

Marstead wrote...

Huh, I'm kind of embarrassed now that everyone else was so underwhelmed by the Tali romance. I completely bought it, and it actually made me think about xenosexuality. Why does everyone assume that they're all having a direct analog for human male/female sexual intercourse?

I mean, honestly, if two people think each other are rad enough, and want to make each other feel good, does it matter how their uglies are configured? At risk of offending someone, I think the whole xenosexuality thing as it's presented in ME2 (as opposed to the more straightforward asari in ME1) is analogous to homosexuality in this regard. People who are homosexual are obviously not having sexual intercourse, because they can't, but they use the parts available to them to make each other feel good, because they love each other.

I really don't see anything wrong or weird about it. If you think about it, it completely makes sense for galactic society to start heading in this direction; as long as you're not so childish as to assume BioWare is implying that they're all having literal human intercourse with one another. My takeaway from the Tali romance is that she didn't remove her suit; just her mask, and maybe they did some dry grinding but mostly just hung out and did the equivalent of enviro-suit linking. Same for Garrus.

They way a quarian is build its obvious she has a vagina. Sorry I don't agree with that notion. Shepard penetrated. I have a feeling it was the same for the turian. Now the whole human krogan. Thats just sick!

[Nigawatts]

The Angry One wrote...

Turians go with Asari all the time, Asari aren't very physically different from human females so no.. Garrus isn't weird in that sense.

Elcor and Hanar. That'd be weird.

Turians would disagree with you...THEY LOOK LIKE BLUE TURIANS DAMNIT!!!!

[Collider]

LN19 wrote...
I'm not exggerating differences, they are there, the fact Mordin talks to about the physical and genetic differences should tell you something.

I could be wrong, but basically what Mordin's talk amounts to are complications or obstacles involved with sex. That's it, and sex is not the most important thing, and even in those complications can be avoided or lessened.

Maybe I'm shallow, but physical attraction plays just as much as a role in a meaningful relationship,

Personality is more important in a relationship than skin deep appearance. For something less serious, the ratio can be more balanced.

and if there is little to no physical attraction the relationship has little chance of existance, I'm not saying it doesn't happen though.

But the fact that they are humanoid in so many ways allows for physical attraction. Of course, any human can be physically attracted to anything, but you can't discount the fact of that a humanoid silhouette of a woman or man can be attractive or represenative of an attractive physique. The romance options were made to be appealing. The best example was Thane who was made specifically as a romance option for female players.

And I doubt higher thought has a lot to do with it...just personal preference.

Actually, it does. A mannequin can have a typically attractive body shape, but outside of the mentally and socially disturbed, no one wants to have a relationship with it. A person can basically be a vegetable mentally, and you can be assured that kills virtually all interest from other people for a relationship.

[NICKjnp]

The only one that makes sense is Asari... because it's not "sex" in the sense that we think of.

[thegreateski]

Lawgunner wrote...

I think a Legion quote is appropriate for summing up alien romances in Mass Effect 2.

"There was a hole"

We have a winner.

[Gerse1]

 

[Pauravi]

LN19 wrote...

Maybe I'm shallow, but physical attraction plays just as much as a role in a meaningful relationship, and if there is little to no physical attraction the relationship has little chance of existance

It isn't shallow to want to be attracted to your partner.
I think all he meant was that many people don't find the details you were keying in on to be that important.  The 3-fingered hands and oddly shaped legs and feet of the Quarians, or the tentacle-y heads of the Asari play second fiddle to overall body shape.  The hips, the bust, the overall proportions, and human-like faces are all most people really need to consider an alien attractive.  Basically, as long as they have some semblance of the main features we admire in human men and women, I wouldn't consider it all that odd to be attracted to them.

[Pauravi]

Lawgunner wrote...

I think a Legion quote is appropriate for summing up alien romances in Mass Effect 2.

"There was a hole"

LOL!!

Indeed my friend.. indeed.

[Annora]

It wasn't so long ago that the idea of a black man and white woman being together was thought of as unnatural and abhorrent. In some places, they still think that way. I maintain the same stance on the Garrus/Thane/Tali thing that I do in real life; I have to be attracted to the person inside if I am to find the outer shell enticing in any way. "Hot" douchebags are just skeezy douchebags in my eyes, where as someone with a great sense of humour who is well-spoken will always be irresistible to me.

Case in point, Colin Ferrel gives me the heebie-jeebies, but Conan O'Brien gets my heart all aflutter. It's who's inside that counts, and Garrus is my Shepard's most trusted friend and companion, a romance is natural for them. I don't find turians attractive, I find Garrus attractive.

[Collider]

Anastassia wrote...

It wasn't so long ago that the idea of a black man and white woman being together was thought of as unnatural and abhorrent. In some places, they still think that way. I maintain the same stance on the Garrus/Thane/Tali thing that I do in real life; I have to be attracted to the person inside if I am to find the outer shell enticing in any way. "Hot" douchebags are just skeezy douchebags in my eyes, where as someone with a great sense of humour who is well-spoken will always be irresistible to me.
Case in point, Colin Ferrel gives me the heebie-jeebies, but Conan O'Brien gets my heart all aflutter. It's who's inside that counts, and Garrus is my Shepard's most trusted friend and companion, a romance is natural for them. I don't find turians attractive, I find Garrus attractive.

Very well said.

[LN19]

Collider wrote...

LN19 wrote...
I'm not exggerating differences, they are there, the fact Mordin talks to about the physical and genetic differences should tell you something.

I could be wrong, but basically what Mordin's talk amounts to are complications or obstacles involved with sex. That's it, and sex is not the most important thing, and even in those complications can be avoided or lessened.

Maybe I'm shallow, but physical attraction plays just as much as a role in a meaningful relationship,

Personality is more important in a relationship than skin deep appearance. For something less serious, the ratio can be more balanced.

and if there is little to no physical attraction the relationship has little chance of existance, I'm not saying it doesn't happen though.

But the fact that they are humanoid in so many ways allows for physical attraction. Of course, any human can be physically attracted to anything, but you can't discount the fact of that a humanoid silhouette of a woman or man can be attractive or represenative of an attractive physique. The romance options were made to be appealing. The best example was Thane who was made specifically as a romance option for female players.

And I doubt higher thought has a lot to do with it...just personal preference.

Actually, it does. A mannequin can have a typically attractive body shape, but outside of the mentally and socially disturbed, no one wants to have a relationship with it. A person can basically be a vegetable mentally, and you can be assured that kills virtually all interest from other people for a relationship.

• No, the relationship isn't all about sex, I was pointing out that there are major differences that the humanoid shape make up for.
• Personaitly is key to a successful relationship, but physical attraction does play a big role, you don't walk up to a person because you think they have great personality...because you have no idea what they are like until you talk to them, up to that point it is whether or not something appeals to you, and without that, what are the odds you're going to be with them?
• (See #2)
• Really? A mannequin? Now you're just getting ridiculous, it's an object, not a living being. And person who is brain dead...you're really reaching to make a point. I'm clearly not talking about relationships into which there can be none.

Some people aren't into (fictional) aliens and physical attraction does play a role in it, that's what I'm trying get at.

[greatestjourney]

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[tmp7704]

Darht Jayder wrote...

Whether it is recreational or not...it has to make sense and it doesn't

You do realize considerable part of human race has routinely what you could call "recreational sex" with items of reasonably suitable shape and produced for this very purpose? Items which in appearance and 'personality' (or more precisely lack thereof) don't resemble a human being at all?

And yet humanoid aliens "don't make sense" in exactly the same context. Go figure.

[Octorox]

 The fact that the aliens look like they do is probably very unlikely but I can suspend disbelief. Everything else makes sense to me!

[Nautica773]

It's not silly.



Perhaps a bit creepy (for some of us), but there are some individuals that fall in love with dolls or video game characters. At least another species you can interact with. Not my cup of tea, but kudos for those interested in such things.

[InvaderErl]

Anyone who is against alien romances has obviously not been watching SCI FI long.



Amateurs.

[Onyx Jaguar]

Damn cartoon characters getting it on with non-human cartoon characters... madness!

[greatestjourney]

Also, I think we should all look to Captain Kirk. Did he find this silly? Of course not.

[Zyrious]

Borschtbeet wrote...

None of the aliens are actually related to each other in Mass Effect. The reason any of them look similar is due to convergent evolution.
Evolution favors certain characteristics like bipedal species, vocal cords, etc which is why most of the species in Mass Effect are humanoid.

Evolution doesnt favor anything, not really. Survival of the fittest, perhaps. Once we reached a certain complexity, based on the random divergences that took place before, it might be possible we finally reached a realm where only certain things were workable/possible for species as complex as humans. And all Earth life is alike because we are all from the same amino acid pool.

The funny thing about Mass Effect is how they treat humans as geneticly diverse. No, we arent. There is only a 1% difference between ALL humans geneticly. ALL genetic diversity was killed off during a natural disaster that almost wiped out mankind in our early years. Further, the same is true for life in general. Almost all life on Earth has been wiped out several times, only leaving a small amount of evolutionary path's left to move forward. This accounts for the huge genetic similiarities on Earth (And even then we still have some rediculously unique life on Earth if you look hard enough).

The likelyhood of life in space being anything even concievable to humans is so low it's not even funny. I doubt there's even much life at all in our half of the Galaxy. Dont get me wrong, i think there will be a lot of Earth-like planets. I just dont think anything will be living on them. So far, every near-Earth-sized planet found in the habitable zone has been uninhabitable. It's exactly the same as Earth in almost all respects, but plants never evolved so the oxygen was never converted into something liveable (these planets would be rediculously easy to terraform though).

I highly doubt Sex with aliens would be common, even if they have our shape. It wouldn't feel the same, and could even be extremely uncomfortable if not dangerous. What if the females produce some kind of acidic lubrication during sex, or the interior isnt layed out the same way. Dont get me wrong though, by dangerous i dont mean "STD's", Cross-species disease would be impossible, as far as i know. It's possible alien life wouldn't even HAVE DNA, but would be constructed of something completely unique (DNA is a product of amino acid's, and is inherently unique to Earth-based life). Viruses could enter their body, but not interact with the cells. You'd get a stuffy nose, but nothing more.

For quarians that aspect makes even less sense. If they have no immune system, then they, of ALL species, should have the LEAST reaction to alien bacteria. Because their body wouldn't have much that it deploys to fight foreign entities, they wouldn't feel anything at all, where as humans would get a stuffy nose and a sinus headache everytime something got inside. I am, however, curious as to if bacteria could adapt/evolve to make use of non-DNA based "Cells" inside of an alien. That's a questionf or a xenobiologist, but i doubt it....
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But i digress.

[Annora]

There is no 'e' in 'ridiculous'. The more you know! *