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[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

Vaenier wrote...

MutantSpleen wrote...

Never played through it personally. From what I thought I heard, didn't you have to talk to Mordin to find out what to do and not do when having sex? Don't Turians have bodily fluids that are acidic or something? Thats a pleasant thought.

They are not the Alien with acid blood and little tongue mouths

They are based off different proteins, and could cause an allergic reaction. thats all.

Actually if I remember rightly, if a human has any 'turian fluid' inside them, it would pretty much kill them or leave them in a very bad state and I believe vice versa too.

This applies to anything even food and drinks, as mentioned by the Bartender on Ilium.

quote from the turian page on the ME wiki

This places the turians in a distinct minority on the galactic stage; the quarians
are the only other sapient dextro-protein race. The food of humans,
asari, or salarians (who evolved in levo-amino acid-based biospheres),
will at best pass through turian systems without providing any
nutrition. At worst, it will trigger an allergic reaction that can be
fatal if not immediately treated.

The Garrus Romance is simply just that, Shep and Garrus being romantically attracted to each other. So they can't pro-create, that doesn't mean to say they can't love one another.

"Two star crossed lovers"

Modifié par Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien, 25 février 2010 - 02:44 .

[MutantSpleen]

MrCairo wrote...

glitter_guld wrote...

MrCairo wrote...

MutantSpleen wrote...

The Happy One wrote...

Alien sex is akin to bestiality. Truly sick.

Pretty much.  I mean if aligators suddently walked upright and learned to speak, I still wouldn't want to have sex with them.

So you are comparing intelligent aliens species to animals?
Very open minded.
Has anyone ever thought that in the setting of ME2 that inter species relationships is a normal thing?
It's like saying that the country you come from should stop you from having a relationship with someone you care for.

Don't mix physical attraction and mental acceptance. We are speaking about personal love relationships. You date a person, whom you LIKE, one way or the other. There is no open-mindidness here. Otherwise we would never choose a partner and date the first dude we meet regardless of looks, gender, age, etc....

I think you missed my point.
I was saying that comparing an intelligent alien species who are more advanced than us to ( as an example, a cow ) was small minded.
Saying that having a relationship with an alien species is the same as sleeping with an animal is not the same.
An  animal cannot say no.
But it is just a game, so i'll leave it there and go play some more.

But you missed mine as well, even if an animal could converse over quantum physics and read love poetry I would still not be physically attracted to one.  I suspect the majority of humans are the same way.

Modifié par MutantSpleen, 25 février 2010 - 02:44 .

[BellaStrega]

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

Actually if I remember rightly, if a human has any 'turian fluid' inside them, it would pretty much kill them or leave them in a very bad state and I believe vice versa too.

This applies to anything even food and drinks, as mentioned by the Bartender on Ilium.

Chirality and stuff in nature.

Modifié par BellaStrega, 25 février 2010 - 02:48 .

[glitter_guld]

MrCairo wrote...

glitter_guld wrote...

MrCairo wrote...

MutantSpleen wrote...

The Happy One wrote...

Alien sex is akin to bestiality. Truly sick.

Pretty much.  I mean if aligators suddently walked upright and learned to speak, I still wouldn't want to have sex with them.

So you are comparing intelligent aliens species to animals?
Very open minded.
Has anyone ever thought that in the setting of ME2 that inter species relationships is a normal thing?
It's like saying that the country you come from should stop you from having a relationship with someone you care for.

Don't mix physical attraction and mental acceptance. We are speaking about personal love relationships. You date a person, whom you LIKE, one way or the other. There is no open-mindidness here. Otherwise we would never choose a partner and date the first dude we meet regardless of looks, gender, age, etc....

I think you missed my point.
I was saying that comparing an intelligent alien species who are more advanced than us to ( as an example, a cow ) was small minded.
Saying that having a relationship with an alien species is the same as sleeping with an animal is not the same.
An  animal cannot say no.
But it is just a game, so i'll leave it there and go play some more.

Yes, yes, you are right. They are advanced and developed, and that is why they are in the team. But from the physiological point of view, they ARE animals for humans and humans are animals for them. The word "animal" does not have negative meaning, but shows completely different physiology, genetics and looks. They are not attractive at all, incompatible, maybe poisonous and unpleasant. Having sex with them is a bizarre fantasy.

Positive point, though, playing a female Shepard, at least, was that it was really easy to say NO to every single one of them. I miss my Kaidan, heh.

[BellaStrega]

Pannamaslo wrote...

Yeah. It's silly. Lazarus project is silly, Asari are silly, eezo is silly, FTL is silly, genetic diversity of humans is even more silly. But you know what? It's a game. Not a Discovery Science channel. So suck it up.

Also, the impending extinction of blondes is silly.

[Pannamaslo]

glitter_guld wrote...

Pannamaslo wrote...

glitter_guld wrote...

Pannamaslo wrote...

Yeah. It's silly. Lazarus project is silly, Asari are silly, eezo is silly, FTL is silly, genetic diversity of humans is even more silly. But you know what? It's a game. Not a Discovery Science channel. So suck it up.

That's nonsense. We buy the game to taste it, to discuss it, to feel it, NOT to suck it up or get over it.

Yeah. And make a hundred and one thread about interspecies sex or why is it stupid/fun/probable/impossible.

Yes, indeed, in addition to hundreds of silly comments to get over it, deal with it, etc.

At least they are shorter. And are as much sensible as disucssion  in 101th thread about "Why BW had to make sex with aliens? It's stupid ARGHHHHHHHHHH"  "Suck it" up fits this topic perfectly. So yeah...Suck it up.

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

BellaStrega wrote...

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

Actually if I remember rightly, if a human has any 'turian fluid' inside them, it would pretty much kill them or leave them in a very bad state and I believe vice versa too.

This applies to anything even food and drinks, as mentioned by the Bartender on Ilium.

Chirality and stuff in nature.

Bleh, biology never was my strong point when did science at school. Thanks for the info though.

Edit: Regarding your post afterwards, I wonder if Conrad Verner dyed his hair blonde :happy:

Modifié par Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien, 25 février 2010 - 02:57 .

[MaaZeus]

I never considered humans as "animals" but above them (or atleast different depending on your view of life) as sentience and how mind works is key factor here. Animal is a creature almost completely driven by instincts and have only small capability to learn and comprehend what is going on, where sentient beings has only basic functions (eat, learning to walk etc..) instinct driven, but mind is otherwise empty and is filled with knowledge we gather when being alive, we analyze it in depth and form our own behaviour from that.

Mixing these together sexually and we definetly have bestiality, we are afterall very different. But two completely sentient beings but different species IE aliens... I have no idea what it should be called. Its not bestiality as the other partner is not "beast", meaning animal. Xenophilia is best word so far, but if the act is wrong or wierd or not, I have no idea either.


This is just my viewpoint though. Feel free to disagree.

Modifié par MaaZeus, 25 février 2010 - 03:03 .

[BellaStrega]

glitter_guld wrote...
Yes, yes, you are right. They are advanced and developed, and that is why they are in the team. But from the physiological point of view, they ARE animals for humans and humans are animals for them. The word "animal" does not have negative meaning, but shows completely different physiology, genetics and looks. They are not attractive at all, incompatible, maybe poisonous and unpleasant. Having sex with them is a bizarre fantasy.

Positive point, though, playing a female Shepard, at least, was that it was really easy to say NO to every single one of them. I miss my Kaidan, heh.

Actually, animal does have negative connotations, used to imply all kinds of things when compared people are compared to animals.

The other alien races are people, like humans. They're not animals. Romantic or sexual attraction to the other races in Mass Effect appears to be commonplace and not particularly remarkable. I think, in the context of Mass Effect, that describing other races as animals would be viewed as highly prejudiced, even racist.

Anyway, they're adults, presumably consenting adults. Clearly, per ME, they're even emotionally and to a certain extent, physically compatible. I  can imagine humans having relationships with aliens in this setting, and I don't see a need to make whether or not this is likely about me and what I find attractive.

[BellaStrega]

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

BellaStrega wrote...

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

Actually if I remember rightly, if a human has any 'turian fluid' inside them, it would pretty much kill them or leave them in a very bad state and I believe vice versa too.

This applies to anything even food and drinks, as mentioned by the Bartender on Ilium.

Chirality and stuff in nature.

Bleh, biology never was my strong point when did science at school. Thanks for the info though.

Nah, I wasn't trying to correct you, just adding information.

Mass Effect's descriptions of the effects of chirality are within the realm of plausibility...although I  kind of have to laugh at the Turian on the Citadel who says you don't mix spice chirality.

[glitter_guld]

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

BellaStrega wrote...

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

Actually if I remember rightly, if a human has any 'turian fluid' inside them, it would pretty much kill them or leave them in a very bad state and I believe vice versa too.

This applies to anything even food and drinks, as mentioned by the Bartender on Ilium.

Chirality and stuff in nature.

Bleh, biology never was my strong point when did science at school. Thanks for the info though.

Edit: Regarding your post afterwards, I wonder if Conrad Verner dyed his hair blonde :happy:

Yes, there are plenty of D-amino acids in bacterial cell wall, for example, which are constantly in our organism. So, you will survive Tali's kiss no problem.

[Madecologist]

glitter_guld wrote...

Yes, there are plenty of D-amino acids in bacterial cell wall, for example, which are constantly in our organism. So, you will survive Tali's kiss no problem.

Aye, crazy Bioware for using Chirality. Reminds me of my days in Biochemisty. Made me smile though that we have a sci-fi game that uses Biological principles for once and not just Physics.

[Vaenier]

Its best when making an excuse to be as general as possible. Less chance of being wrong.

[MrCairo]

Quote.

[Actually, animal does have negative connotations, used to imply all kinds of things when compared people are compared to animals.

The other alien races are people, like humans. They're not animals. Romantic or sexual attraction to the other races in Mass Effect appears to be commonplace and not particularly remarkable. I think, in the context of Mass Effect, that describing other races as animals would be viewed as highly prejudiced, even racist.

Anyway, they're adults, presumably consenting adults. Clearly, per ME, they're even emotionally and to a certain extent, physically compatible. I  can imagine humans having relationships with aliens in this setting, and I don't see a need to make whether or not this is likely about me and what I find attractive.

[/quote]

Agree.
Kind of the point i was trying to make but didn't do a good job of it.
Must try harder.

Modifié par MrCairo, 25 février 2010 - 04:22 .

[tmp7704]

MutantSpleen wrote...

I think if anyone saw one of these aliens in real life there would be absolutely no physical attraction. As much as you like thier personality its not enough.

Some people have foot fetish. Others find feet completely unsexy and actually a turn-off.

Personal tastes when it comes to physical attraction can run such wide gamut there's no room for absolutes here. Heck if current Japanese market is anything to go by, even the hanar would be wildly popular with some people.

[Vaenier]

MutantSpleen wrote...

I think if anyone saw one of these aliens in real life there would be absolutely no physical attraction. As much as you like thier personality its not enough.

I have a high chance to be physicaly attracted to an alien.

I have very different tastes from what is considered 'normal.' >..>

[Kyero]

This thread is fun, more please. I want to see how badly people get serious about this.



If tali loves me and I love tali then to Hell with everyone elses opinions.

[Ieldra]

I have to say almost all the arguments on this page and the previous miss the point. This is not a moral issue, not a political and not an aesthetic one. It *is* a matter of biology in a roundabout way, but most of all it's a matter of plausibility.

(1) Is it silly that people are attracted to, say, Tali? Not in the least. She's shaped like a woman, she has an attractive voice, and if it was possible to transmit scent in a game, I'm sure Bioware would've made her smell at least not horribly unpleasant. So, the attraction is understandable.
(2) It is silly that people want deep relationships with members of an alien species? Not in the least, humans are by nature hypersocial, they can, and do, extend their relationships to include the non-human even on Earth. It's not in the least surprising that this would extend to aliens, and intelligent ones at that.

What *is* silly, complete nonsense, is the fact that a species like the quarians, and the asari, conforms so closely to the human shape that it triggers sexual attraction. Sexual attraction triggers are *extremely* species-specific - of the millions of species on Earth - and we're related to all of them - not one (!!!) looks enough like a human to trigger regular sexual attraction. To have two alien species from *different* star systems that do have this kind of attraction, without purposeful artificial intervention or a common ancestry not so far in the past, is so astronomically implausible that even the artistic license of a fictional universe isn't enough to make it believable. And an SF universe - as opposed to a fantasy world - needs a certain minimum plausibility or it ceases to be SF.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 25 février 2010 - 05:34 .

[Schneidend]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Sex with aliens is a major detachment from science fiction in the direction of Tolkienism.

Star Wars, Star Trek, Andromeda, Babylon 5, Farscape, and just about any other "galactic community" setting with non-human aliens that has ever happened vehemently disagrees with you.

[Legbiter]

Has "scrog" come up yet in this thread? Because if it hasn't then I'd like to take the opportunity to do so now.



Scrog.



There, I feel better.

[Ieldra]

Schneidend wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Sex with aliens is a major detachment from science fiction in the direction of Tolkienism.

Star Wars, Star Trek, Andromeda, Babylon 5, Farscape, and just about any other "galactic community" setting with non-human aliens that has ever happened vehemently disagrees with you.

Almost every "galactic community" setting shown on TV. Read books (not those inspired by these TV shows) and you'll get a very different picture. BTW, popularity doesn't make plausibility.

[Madecologist]

Actually I read plenty of sci-fi books that have alien sex. Those that don't is mostly because of a distict lack of aliens. So that proves nothing. Sure in sci-fi literature there is plenty of alien filled settings with no alien sex. But it is not the landslide that many claim it is.

Also, this is a videogame. An audio-visual media. It will hold more in common with TV and Theatrical sci-fi then literary ones. Man I hate it when people dis the audio-visual medium and hold literary as the only true art form.

Modifié par Madecologist, 25 février 2010 - 05:49 .

[Pannamaslo]

Ieldra2 wrote...

I have to say almost all the arguments on this page and the previous miss the point. This is not a moral issue, not a political and not an aesthetic one. It *is* a matter of biology in a roundabout way, but most of all it's a matter of plausibility.

(1) Is it silly that people are attracted to, say, Tali? Not in the least. She's shaped like a woman, she has an attractive voice, and if it was possible to transmit scent in a game, I'm sure Bioware would've made her smell at least not horribly unpleasant. So, the attraction is understandable.
(2) It is silly that people want deep relationships with members of an alien species? Not in the least, humans are by nature hypersocial, they can, and do, extend their relationships to include the non-human even on Earth. It's not in the least surprising that this would extend to aliens, and intelligent ones at that.

What *is* silly, complete nonsense, is the fact that a species like the quarians, and the asari, conforms so closely to the human shape that it triggers sexual attraction. Sexual attraction triggers are *extremely* species-specific - of the millions of species on Earth - and we're related to all of them - not one (!!!) looks enough like a human to trigger regular sexual attraction. To have two alien species from *different* star systems that do have this kind of attraction, without purposeful artificial intervention or a common ancestry not so far in the past, is so astronomically implausible that even the artistic license of a fictional universe isn't enough to make it believable. And an SF universe - as opposed to a fantasy world - needs a certain minimum plausibility or it ceases to be SF.

Yeah, it's silly. And? Don't like it - move on to hard s-f, like Lem's. There are many silly things in ME universe, alien attraction is just one of them (not the most ludicrous). I like harder than softer s-f, but I make an exception for mass effect, because rule of cool. 

It mystifies me, that people are b*g so much about interspecies sex/relationship being impossible, but ignore Lazarus project or  biotics. If anything excludes ME from s-f definitions are these two.

Modifié par Pannamaslo, 25 février 2010 - 06:11 .

[Ieldra]

Pannamaslo wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

I have to say almost all the arguments on this page and the previous miss the point. This is not a moral issue, not a political and not an aesthetic one. It *is* a matter of biology in a roundabout way, but most of all it's a matter of plausibility.

(1) Is it silly that people are attracted to, say, Tali? Not in the least. She's shaped like a woman, she has an attractive voice, and if it was possible to transmit scent in a game, I'm sure Bioware would've made her smell at least not horribly unpleasant. So, the attraction is understandable.
(2) It is silly that people want deep relationships with members of an alien species? Not in the least, humans are by nature hypersocial, they can, and do, extend their relationships to include the non-human even on Earth. It's not in the least surprising that this would extend to aliens, and intelligent ones at that.

What *is* silly, complete nonsense, is the fact that a species like the quarians, and the asari, conforms so closely to the human shape that it triggers sexual attraction. Sexual attraction triggers are *extremely* species-specific - of the millions of species on Earth - and we're related to all of them - not one (!!!) looks enough like a human to trigger regular sexual attraction. To have two alien species from *different* star systems that do have this kind of attraction, without purposeful artificial intervention or a common ancestry not so far in the past, is so astronomically implausible that even the artistic license of a fictional universe isn't enough to make it believable. And an SF universe - as opposed to a fantasy world - needs a certain minimum plausibility or it ceases to be SF.

Yeah, it's silly. And? Don't like it - move on to hard s-f, like Lem's. There are many silly things in ME universe, alien attraction is just one of them (not the most ludicrous). I like harder than softer s-f, but I make an exception for mass effect, because rule of cool. 

It mystifies me, that people are b*g so much about interspecies sex/relationship being impossible, but ignore Lazarus project or  biotics. If anything excludes ME from s-f definitions are these two.

Yes, but with biotics, everyone knows that and doesn't pretend otherwise. The Lazarus project, well, depending on the state of the corpse, particularly the brain, it may not be altogether unimaginable. But in this matter, people go all about it as if inter-species sex was just an extension of sex between different human races, with all the ideological baggage attached. Or it's about how personality is more important than attraction. True or not, that's beside the point. Spouting the party line of western culture doesn't change the plausibilites one bit.
As for the "move on" argument, I do like ME, mainly for its story and characters. That makes up for quite a lot. But I don't see why it should keep me from criticizing. Whoever created the universe didn't think all that much about the consequences of certain design decisions. The inter-species sex isn't even the worst offender - after all, they can hardly avoid including something so inexplicably popular.