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[Alneverus]

Ryngard wrote...

If you romanced say... Leliana (like I did). They didn't say you break up with her or your relationship is totally ignored. It just isn't part of this adventure. She (or whomever you are pissed isn't returning) isn't glued to your side. You tell me that you've never left home to do something (work, vacation, spring break trip, etc) without your mother (Wynne), brother (Alistair), and girlfriend (Leliana). I mean come on...

I'll gladly use the romance ending for Leliana for this one since you offered it. According to the DA:O ending this is what occurs if the player returns to the Wardens: Leliana, if romanced, will return with her love to the Grey Wardens to
help rebuild the order if he/she should choose to do so, after which
they join together in an effort to uncover the darkspawns' remaining secrets.
If the order is in a central location then that particular love interest would be right there.

So even if the player travels to the Grey Warden headquarters (forget the name of the country it is in) which takes a few months and comes back, this ending would indicate she would be there as DA:A takes place while the Warden is rebuilding the order.

To further add to this, if you have a loved one that is stated to have done this it is highly unlikely that she will not have a large impact upon things. I'm pretty sure that a girlfriend (to further use your example of Leliana) is going to have a large impact upon all facets of your life. The lack thereof in regards to this is called a continuity issue.

DLC gear doesn't transfer? Well guess what??? It doesn't matter!!! It will be replaced inside 10 minutes of game play with COOLER stuff.

Some of this issue is due to the fact that there are various DLC that players paid for. Which would pretty much indicate that this lack of transferability wasted a customer's money as some people may not have bought it if they knew before hand. Also, as an expansion, it should easily be able to add itself to the current game and utilize these items. If not then it shouldn't be called an expansion. It should be considered an entire new game.

Also, how is it replaced in the first 10 minutes? Do players have to buy it? Is it just sitting in a chest? How is it replaced? If you recall the developers wanted players to make choices about purchases. Thus, unless they suddenly changed the design, re-equipping a character in the latest and greatest equipment will be expensive and pretty much kill your starting resources.

[Tresca Mizzrym]

All the reviews started 6 hours in..its 12-20 if memory serves and its an EXPANSION. They are never as long as the original game for petes sake.

[Bryy_Miller]

We got verification of the length of the game?

[Reaverwind]

Ryngard wrote...

Lochfynne wrote...
PS.  I admit, ...I was confused...it appears I have mixed up the upcoming expansion with rumors of a "Sequel in 2011".  However, expansions usually involve building up or continuing...but in Awakening we lose companion relationships, locations, and DLC.  No point carrying a character over then.  We have the option of creating a new character for Awakening, but then what was the point of Origins?   I have read a great deal on the forum and other sites and I believe I am not the only one that is conflicted about the direction we are going. 

I'm sorry but that is just stupid. You don't LOSE anything. Why does it need to have EVERYTHING from the old game available? Your guy is doing something else, with other people, during Awakening. WTF is it such a big deal that you make new friends? Come on guys, this is a stupid ass arguement.

If you romanced say... Leliana (like I did). They didn't say you break up with her or your relationship is totally ignored. It just isn't part of this adventure. She (or whomever you are pissed isn't returning) isn't glued to your side. You tell me that you've never left home to do something (work, vacation, spring break trip, etc) without your mother (Wynne), brother (Alistair), and girlfriend (Leliana). I mean come on...

DLC gear doesn't transfer? Well guess what??? It doesn't matter!!! It will be replaced inside 10 minutes of game play with COOLER stuff.

The point of Origins??? How is that even an arguement? You have the OPTION of creating a new character to experience Awakening a different way. OR you can continue YOUR character that you put 50 hours into by playing Origins.

Seriously, you all have issues if these are the paltry reasons you don't want Awakening.

If you liked Origins the odds are VERY HIGH that you will like Awakening. Quit complaining and play it.

Why are you getting your panties in a bunch? You don't work for Bioware, and he's under no obligation to purchase the expansion.

[bluewolv1970]

What really bothers a lot of people besides the lack of continuity from dao to daa, are the insulting reasons that bioware gives us (which they then expect us to believe)



- "dlc items do not transfer because they will be easily replaced with more powerful weapons early in awakenings" - Yet that iron dagger we got during our origin story will transfer...I call BS



- dog is still around just not on this adventure - What else would my war dog have to do? I mean in another breadth they tell us that the threat is too immediate to have any romance - yet I am leaving my war dog (who has already killed hundreds of darkspawn) wandering around on his own while I go to kill darkspawn. -



- leliana specifically said she was going with me to help rebuild the warden order - yet accoridng to bioware two months later she is busy and cannot go with me to...wait for it...help me rebuild the warden order



- Oghren in my endings (all of them) - retires to hook up with his girlfriend - yet 2 months later he is back in the saddle



- "Your ending is one of the things that carries over" - unless you made the US - in which case your game actually did not happen



I mean dragon age awakenings is like the bizzaro world - characters that SPECIFICALLY say they are going to travel with you and or help you rebuild the order - ALL actually just disappear, yet the one character that says he is retiring - is traveling with you - at least with the DLC issue we know not to buy those cheap little 5.00 equipment packs going forward as they won't carry over to anything.



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[Bryy_Miller]

bluewolv1970 wrote...

What really bothers a lot of people besides the lack of continuity from dao to daa, are the insulting reasons that bioware gives us (which they then expect us to believe)

Insulting? Really? I'm sorry you feel that design decisions as well as financial and business decisions that in no way are related to you are personal stabs.

- "Your ending is one of the things that carries over" - unless you made the US - in which case your game actually did not happen

1) You're calling an optional plot point a negative?
2) I'm fairly certain your choices will carry over if you import a dead character's save file.

[ahpucha]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

bluewolv1970 wrote...

What really bothers a lot of people besides the lack of continuity from dao to daa, are the insulting reasons that bioware gives us (which they then expect us to believe)

Insulting? Really? I'm sorry you feel that design decisions as well as financial and business decisions that in no way are related to you are personal stabs.

- "Your ending is one of the things that carries over" - unless you made the US - in which case your game actually did not happen

1) You're calling an optional plot point a negative?
2) I'm fairly certain your choices will carry over if you import a dead character's save file.

Mr miller,
a company that disrespects the intelligence of its fanbase will find it quickly loses business. its like a story thats plot is inconsistent; it's insulting to the viewers/readers intelligence to insinuate  that the suspension of our disbelief can happen so easily.

perhaps you dont care about all this because you're so simple minded? 

[Bryy_Miller]

Wow, that was so completely unnecessary. Way to go, ahpuncha.

[MassEffect762]

I have a pretty good idea of my expectations this time around.(ME2 and RTO were "wake up" calls for me)



I'm expecting disappointment but am hoping to be surprised.

[empetus]

Wait and see is my mantra too. I don't care about the romance element or the equipment gone either. And I am glad they have new party members to use, that is part of the main draw for me. My main concern is length and depth of play. I'm not going to pay what is nearly a full price for a new pc game if the expansion is below 20 hours in content. They are really pushing it with these prices. If I read reviews and learn the expansion has 20 plus hours in play time then I will consider getting it, otherwise I will skip it like I have done with the other DLC mini expansions.

[ahpucha]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Wow, that was so completely unnecessary. Way to go, ahpuncha.

 

[supersims796]

empetus wrote...

Wait and see is my mantra too. I don't care about the romance element or the equipment gone either. And I am glad they have new party members to use, that is part of the main draw for me. My main concern is length and depth of play. I'm not going to pay what is nearly a full price for a new pc game if the expansion is below 20 hours in content. They are really pushing it with these prices. If I read reviews and learn the expansion has 20 plus hours in play time then I will consider getting it, otherwise I will skip it like I have done with the other DLC mini expansions.

A-[EFF!!]ING-greed.

[The_Abyss]

ahpucha wrote...


a company that disrespects the intelligence of its fanbase will find it quickly loses business.

Blizzard has been insulting their fan bases' intelligence for years, and they still have 11.5 million wow subscribers.

[Ecomage46]

The main reason people have problems with awakening is the lack of continuity, but the lack is because Bioware made such an open-ended game that every single person that has played it has a completely different playthrough. It's difficult to make a sequel that is based off of so many different variations of one game. I'm pretty sure I read somewhere but they said that It's difficult to import a certain aspect that only a certain percentage of the player base would be seeing, AKA certain romances, like say Zevran's romance.



When you take the fact that there are thousands of variations for a game, a sequel is difficult to bring about with a 'semi-linear' story. Although the game is of course a personalized story, I think that it's more like a interactive movie, where, some things can be different, but overall the company is still writing their story, and what they would like to see for the story to unfold.



I'm in the instant-buy category because I read The Calling and the fact that as soon as I finished the book was basically saying; "Wow, no way that THAT'S not a major plot their not finishing." Especially with the announce Utha will be in it, makes me think that they really are continuing that story.

[Default137]

Ecomage46 wrote...

The main reason people have problems with awakening is the lack of continuity, but the lack is because Bioware made such an open-ended game that every single person that has played it has a completely different playthrough. It's difficult to make a sequel that is based off of so many different variations of one game. I'm pretty sure I read somewhere but they said that It's difficult to import a certain aspect that only a certain percentage of the player base would be seeing, AKA certain romances, like say Zevran's romance.

When you take the fact that there are thousands of variations for a game, a sequel is difficult to bring about with a 'semi-linear' story. Although the game is of course a personalized story, I think that it's more like a interactive movie, where, some things can be different, but overall the company is still writing their story, and what they would like to see for the story to unfold.

I'm in the instant-buy category because I read The Calling and the fact that as soon as I finished the book was basically saying; "Wow, no way that THAT'S not a major plot their not finishing." Especially with the announce Utha will be in it, makes me think that they really are continuing that story.

Yup.

Don't get me wrong, I really loved how Zevran was built as a character in Origins, and he really grew on me throughout the game, from starting out and watching the videos and thinking to myself "I'll hate that character so much" to meeting Alistar and almost falling for him, to slowly switching to Zevran as the story progressed, and having to dump Alistar because I ended up falling for Zevrans character.

However, he doesn't need to be in Awakening, romances are a very small part of RPGs, and if Bioware wants to drop them for Awakening, I'm alright with that, as long as the romance is mentioned even briefly, which from the sounds of things, it most likely will be. What I care more about is if Awakening is actually going to be a better game in terms of character depth, growth, and gameplay, and all three of those things sound like they will be expanded on from the recent IGN interview.

Honestly, all the hubub about romances kind of worries me, no offense, and I mean this in the nicest possible way, but if advancing a romance in a video game is more important to you then a deep, engaging plot, extra character development from minor and major characters, harder choices, and more of them,  as well as expansions on gameplay systems to make things more fun, then uh, I don't think RPGs are the games you should be playing, but perhaps you should take a look at dating sims.

[Posioned]

Default137 wrote...

Honestly, all the hubub about romances kind of worries me, no offense, and I mean this in the nicest possible way, but if advancing a romance in a video game is more important to you then a deep, engaging plot, extra character development from minor and major characters, harder choices, and more of them,  as well as expansions on gameplay systems to make things more fun, then uh, I don't think RPGs are the games you should be playing, but perhaps you should take a look at dating sims.

I don't think anyone is saying that the romance is most important part of the game here. I think mainly people are just a little attached to the characters in DA:O and are going to miss the romantic interactions with said companions.

[bluewolv1970]

Ecomage46 wrote...

The main reason people have problems with awakening is the lack of continuity, but the lack is because Bioware made such an open-ended game that every single person that has played it has a completely different playthrough. It's difficult to make a sequel that is based off of so many different variations of one game. I'm pretty sure I read somewhere but they said that It's difficult to import a certain aspect that only a certain percentage of the player base would be seeing, AKA certain romances, like say Zevran's romance.

When you take the fact that there are thousands of variations for a game, a sequel is difficult to bring about with a 'semi-linear' story. Although the game is of course a personalized story, I think that it's more like a interactive movie, where, some things can be different, but overall the company is still writing their story, and what they would like to see for the story to unfold.

I'm in the instant-buy category because I read The Calling and the fact that as soon as I finished the book was basically saying; "Wow, no way that THAT'S not a major plot their not finishing." Especially with the announce Utha will be in it, makes me think that they really are continuing that story.

well then apparently DAA is an expansion to the calling and not DAO. Regarding the variety of choices, it still does not explain why bioware did not AT LEAST write an expansion which reflected a more likely outcome from origins - for example as I stated above (and romance is irrelevent to this argument) there are MANY more likely scenerios where either leliana or zev are traveling with you post coronation than oghren and  dog has NOTHING to do with the variety of scenerios arguement - he is 100% loyal and it cannot be changed and he would never leave. In fact Dog would have been the easiest way to allow for some continuity from Origins (and from his abscence really makes it hard to believe I am playing the same game). Lastly regarding the US ending - again just simply having some of the choices the warden made in origins reflected in the orlesian wardens world woudl have benn nice. I mean how exciting is it to have 2 years of dlc for awakenings when it seems that each piece of content is gogn to be completely disconnected from the last (awakeings little to do with origins, rto,  wardens keep and stone prisoner do not exist in awakeings, etc.)

[13Dannyboy13]

Hmm, I was just thinking, if the sequel is coming out in 2011 it means they are working on it right now, and they've released a few dlc and now an expansion, it makes me wonder who is working on fixing the original game at all? I'm a patient person, I've waited calmly for 4 months for the major issues to be fixed yet all I see is more dlc/expansion. Don't get me wrong I think it's great having the extra stuff, but I find it hard to spend money on an expansion when they haven't even fixed the original game, or even said if they would fix it.
I've loved playing and have owned every game that bioware has made, but my confidence is being slowly drained away from what I'm seeing. If anything I'll most likely wait till the expansion is cheaper or find a used copy, seems it's mostly about money now which is disappointing. I'm still staying hopeful for a patch or any type of fix at all for the bugs, but I won't hold my breath.

[frostajulie]

[quote]Default137 wrote...

[quote]Ecomage46 wrote...

Honestly, all the hubub about romances kind of worries me, no offense, and I mean this in the nicest possible way, but if advancing a romance in a video game is more important to you then a deep, engaging plot, extra character development from minor and major characters, harder choices, and more of them,  as well as expansions on gameplay systems to make things more fun, then uh, I don't think RPGs are the games you should be playing, but perhaps you should take a look at dating sims.

[/quote]

For Many MANY of the gamers who loved this game you can't really separate the two.  Regardless of your choices whatever romance you had was integral to making the plot deep and engaging and developing not only your character but the charactar of your companions. 

Many of the hard choices in the game may have been influenced by your relationship with your love interest.  I am so sick and tired of people suggesting dating sims or virtual BF and GF or worse telling these people to go look at internet porn, for people that enjoyed the romance aspect of the game. 

Life involves love and romance we are human creatures with the need and desire to give and recieve love and it is only a natural expansion of our very human nature to have art reflect reality in terms of our desires.  Just as romance cannot be separated from life it cannot be separated from a game that portrayed it so well.  The best stories usually have a romantic element to it, for example The Sword of Truth series had a relationship between the two protagonists that propelled me through 9 glorious books of adventure.  I would not have read them all had not the attatchment I felt for Kahlan and Richard not been present because it is this very desire to give and recieve love that linked me to the characters and when you get to witness such a love unfold you want to protect it.

  I remember when I watched Titanic, the two protagonists did all in their power to live and to be together and then in the end even though I knew it was coming when he let go and died I was physically ill because of the loss I felt for my characters when their love was lost.  To this day I have no desire to watch the movie even though it was a good movie.  Life sucks sometimes and loves come and go.  But when I go to escape reality via a movie, book, or video game I want an epic story with epic characters and an epic romance that defies the odds and ends with Happily ever after, their is room for that even in dark fantasy.  I am not into escapism to be depressed.  A game, book or movie is a mini vacation from reality.

Spoilers ahead**********




While the romances and friendships were not the driving force of the story in many playthroughs the romances and friendships were the deciding factors in many choices.  I hated what Bhelan did to my Aeducan but Zev helped me understand why Orzammar needed a strong ruler and in the end I got my brother back because of it.  My Cousland hated the Dalish for what they had done to the humans but Zev convinced her not to slaughter them.  My mage despised the chantry for oppressing her people she did the ritual because Morrigan was like a sister to her and she would have defiled the Ashes but her love of a certain Bard stayed her hand.

My first CE would have hated all humanity had not Ali showed her a different side to his people and when he broke her it was Zev that picked up the pieces and gave her a hope for a future beyond the Blight  In nearly every playthrough I di the ritual because my character wants to be with her love interest and after sacrificeing so much for a land and people that almost always scorn her she deserves a bit of happiness regardless of which version.  In nearly every epilogue Leil or Zev are at the side of my  PC and I know they would never allow her to walk into danger of death without being by her side.

End Spoilers*******


I can understand the departure of some characters but of them all Zev and Leil would not leave your side not if you ended up with them.  So to hear that the expanson will leave out what I feel was one of the greatest strengths of the game, the relationships you developed with Leil or Zev, it cheapens what was a very rewarding and deeply satisfying gaming experience.  So rather than mar my perfect experience with the game I will instead wait and see how the expansion handles the epic relationships of my PC's.  Maybe to some the romances were not that important but to many, myself included they are what made this gaming experience so immersive and so satisfying.

[MassEffect762]

bluewolv1970 wrote...

What really bothers a lot of people besides the lack of continuity from dao to daa, are the insulting reasons that bioware gives us (which they then expect us to believe)

- "dlc items do not transfer because they will be easily replaced with more powerful weapons early in awakenings" - Yet that iron dagger we got during our origin story will transfer...I call BS

- dog is still around just not on this adventure - What else would my war dog have to do? I mean in another breadth they tell us that the threat is too immediate to have any romance - yet I am leaving my war dog (who has already killed hundreds of darkspawn) wandering around on his own while I go to kill darkspawn. -

- leliana specifically said she was going with me to help rebuild the warden order - yet accoridng to bioware two months later she is busy and cannot go with me to...wait for it...help me rebuild the warden order

- Oghren in my endings (all of them) - retires to hook up with his girlfriend - yet 2 months later he is back in the saddle

- "Your ending is one of the things that carries over" - unless you made the US - in which case your game actually did not happen

I mean dragon age awakenings is like the bizzaro world - characters that SPECIFICALLY say they are going to travel with you and or help you rebuild the order - ALL actually just disappear, yet the one character that says he is retiring - is traveling with you - at least with the DLC issue we know not to buy those cheap little 5.00 equipment packs going forward as they won't carry over to anything.

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Yep pretty much, bioware sure has enjoyed shooting themselves in the foot lately.

[Alikain]

For me I just can’t wait to see how Arl Howe’s family react to my female noble warrior.

[Suilebhain]

So, how many have it now and are wishing they waited as well?

[spernus]

Im going to wait until its 50% cheaper,since the cost is insane versus what you can get out of it imo.

I think I saw plenty of people saying it was fine as a 20$ expansion pack,but not worth the full price since it doesnt offer that much and isnt viewed as a full on expansion which expand and improve upon the core foundation of DA:O.

Modifié par spernus, 18 mars 2010 - 05:29 .