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[condiments1]

Could the Krogan have been the original choice for harvesting by the reapers? It was pretty much confirmed in the game that the rachni were basically proxies of the reapers during the rachni wars in order to soften up the galaxy for invasion. When the Krogans defeated the Rachni were the Reapers impressed? Its been often noted the advanced traits of the Krogan race, such as their extreme resiliency, adaptability, longevitiy and their potential for sheer population(I mean...they have so many freakin organs and such!). This was ruined when the genophage was applied to them by the salarians and their numbers dwindled. Unfortunately for the reapers, the genophage eliminated any potential. Actually harbringer actually says as much with grunt in your group, "Krogan...wasted potential". He actually comments on other species like Drell, "Numbers insufficient...."


One thing that always bothered me about the originals mass effects plot was Virmire. Were they trying to build an army of Krogan for an attack on the citadel? It seems a bit nonsensical considering the time it would take for such an army to be produced, let alone join an assualt on the center of a galatic empire days later. I've heard theories that Saren was trying to build an army to resist against Sovereign but still that doesn't make much sense. His convictions may have weakened temporarily when facing Shepard, but Sovereign wouldn't allow him such leash mentally. Was sovereign's real motivation behind the facility to regain the numbers of its key species for reproduction?

This
would explain the sudden shift of interest in humans after the failure
to eliminate the genophage, and Shepard's intervention. Humans probably
weren't considered due to them being relatively new to the scene...

Hmmm.

Modifié par condiments1, 24 février 2010 - 08:07 .

[Amethyst Deceiver]

krogan probably taste the best out of all the races

[Redem0]

I would have love to see how Krogan Reaper would have sound

[marshalleck]

Redem0 wrote...

I would have love to see how Krogan Reaper would have sound

what

[the120Truth]

Redem0 wrote...

I would have love to see how Krogan Reaper would have sound

it would probably just run around yelling "I am Reaper"

[Gill Kaiser]

As far as I'm concerned, Harbinger saying "Krogan: Sterilised race. Potential wasted." indicates that yes, the Reapers were interested in the Krogan until the genophage.

[klossen4]

Gill Kaiser wrote...

As far as I'm concerned, Harbinger saying "Krogan: Sterilised race. Potential wasted." indicates that yes, the Reapers were interested in the Krogan until the genophage.

yeah that should confirm it.

[marshalleck]

Well if they can turn the Protheans into insects, why can't they just simply undo the genophage?

[Redem0]

marshalleck wrote...

Redem0 wrote...

I would have love to see how Krogan Reaper would have sound

what

Well just imagine if the Krogan doing grandiose speech about conquering the galaxy was a reaper

[Gill Kaiser]

marshalleck wrote...

Well if they can turn the Protheans into insects, why can't they just simply undo the genophage?

Because they're after candidates for Reaperification, not more cloned slaves.

[Druss99]

condiments1 wrote...

Could the Krogan have been the original choice for harvesting by the reapers? It was pretty much confirmed in the game that the rachni were basically proxies of the reapers during the rachni wars in order to soften up the galaxy for invasion. When the Krogans defeated the Rachni were the Reapers impressed? Its been often noted the advanced traits of the Krogan race, such as their extreme resiliency, adaptability, longevitiy and their potential for sheer population(I mean...they have so many freakin organs and such!). This was ruined when the genophage was applied to them by the salarians and their numbers dwindled. Unfortunately for the reapers, the genophage eliminated any potential. Actually harbringer actually says as much with grunt in your group, "Krogan...wasted potential". He actually comments on other species like Drell, "Numbers insufficient...."


One thing that always bothered me about the originals mass effects plot was Virmire. Were they trying to build an army of Krogan for an attack on the citadel? It seems a bit nonsensical considering the time it would take for such an army to be produced, let alone join an assualt on the center of a galatic empire days later. I've heard theories that Saren was trying to build an army to resist against Sovereign but still that doesn't make much sense. His convictions may have weakened temporarily when facing Shepard, but Sovereign wouldn't allow him such leash mentally. Was sovereign's real motivation behind the facility to regain the numbers of its key species for reproduction?

This
would explain the sudden shift of interest in humans after the failure
to eliminate the genophage, and Shepard's intervention. Humans probably
weren't considered due to them being relatively new to the scene...

Hmmm.

Dude you stole my thoughts .

I was doing Mordins loyalty mission earlier and thought the same thing. What started me thinking along that path was that if he did cure the genophage then the sheer numbers the Krogans could produce in a short time would probably be an excellent raw resource for reaper building.

[marshalleck]

Gill Kaiser wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Well if they can turn the Protheans into insects, why can't they just simply undo the genophage?

Because they're after candidates for Reaperification, not more cloned slaves.

Krogan don't reproduce by cloning. Maelon had pracitcally "cured" the genophage already. If the krogan are otherwise suitable, being "sterilized" isn't much of a roadblock to a race of beings so adept at genetic modification.

Ergo no, the krogan were not the original ideal choice. The genophage sterility is just the primary reason Harbinger doesn't want to invest in them.

Modifié par marshalleck, 24 février 2010 - 08:17 .

[newcomplex]

Well it makes sense, we're the race that is psychologically the most similar to the Krogan. Were also the only race that has attained power as quickly as they have.

[condiments1]

marshalleck wrote...

Well if they can turn the Protheans into insects, why can't they just simply undo the genophage?

The prothean collectors are merely husks of what they once were after many modifications. Reapers are looking for the cream of the crop of genetic potential. Having them be damaged goods, and with their numbers greatly reduced they simply weren't a candidate anymore.

Which would explain sovereign's attempt to eliminate the genophage on virmire. He wasn't aware of the potential for a human reaper considering how new humans were to the galatic scene...they didn't prove themselves yet.

Modifié par condiments1, 24 février 2010 - 08:19 .

[marshalleck]

condiments1 wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Well if they can turn the Protheans into insects, why can't they just simply undo the genophage?

The prothean collectors are merely husks of what they once were after many modifications. Reapers are looking for the cream of the crop of genetic potential. Having them be damaged goods, and with their numbers greatly reduced they simply weren't a candidate anymore.

Which would explain sovereign's attempt to eliminate the genophage on virmire. He wasn't aware of the potential for a human reaper considering how new humans were to the galatic scene...they didn't prove themselves yet.

Well again, you're telling me that the Reapers are capable of turning the Protheans into insects (germ-line genetic modification), but the genophage (fertility rates) is too difficult for them to overcome? I can't really take that seriously.

Modifié par marshalleck, 24 février 2010 - 08:29 .

[Ecael]

Redem0 wrote...

I would have love to see how Krogan Reaper would have sound

Krogan Reaper: SHEPARD.

[Nexus-Born]

the one main problem I see is if the reaper has the same mental stengths/weaknesses as the coverted race then the krogen would be a very bad race as they are not only highly agressive but don't seem to have a lot of veriance in how they handle problems, and like to be one the front line blowing their enemies in to dust; which seems counter to the reapers who we have seen so far who have worked from the shadows and like to use puppets to attack enemies. Yes they are every resilient which may make a stronger reaper but as for life spans that doesn't matter reapers don't seem like they would die from old age.

I do think that humans weren't the reaper's first choice as it took us the longest to make the seen but the speed at which we gained power and how dirven to win. Also the game said a lot the diveristy of humans makes us a great choice to be a reaper. two human reapers many act and think very differently but the same can not be said about krogen reapers.

[condiments1]

marshalleck wrote...

condiments1 wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Well if they can turn the Protheans into insects, why can't they just simply undo the genophage?

The prothean collectors are merely husks of what they once were after many modifications. Reapers are looking for the cream of the crop of genetic potential. Having them be damaged goods, and with their numbers greatly reduced they simply weren't a candidate anymore.

Which would explain sovereign's attempt to eliminate the genophage on virmire. He wasn't aware of the potential for a human reaper considering how new humans were to the galatic scene...they didn't prove themselves yet.

Well again, you're telling me that the Reapers are capable of turning the Protheans into insects (germ-line genetic modification), but the genophage (fertility rates) is too difficult for them to overcome? I can't really take that seriously.

Well actually sovereign was trying to eliminate the genophage in the first game through his servants on virmire, and very nearly suceeded before Shepard stopped the proceedings. 

I'm assuming after the defeat of sovereign by shepard humans were deemed a much worthier for reproduction, and dispatched the collectors to investigate. Hence taking live humans for experimentation, and inspection.

Modifié par condiments1, 24 février 2010 - 09:01 .

[Asari Pimp]

Looks like you forget what Okeer told Shepard.The experiments performed on Virmire weren't exactly attempts at curing the genophage.More like some twisted series of cloning and indoctrination processes that would create a big army fast.In his words Okeer told you "Numbers alone..yada,yada.....were not pure krogan...yada..yada..a mistake of an outsider",So the krogen that would've gotten pumped out of Virmire wouldn't be whole(in other words they may be missing a couple of organs or something like that,or most likely be something similar to the krogen Okeer made)And well we all know that the reapers only want the finest genetic material for they're reproduction- In other words genetic perfection -Something similar to Grunt (without the genetic markers of the genophage,or as EDI told you a Krogan with full primary,secondary and tertiary organ systems)

Long story short,If the reapers wanted the Krogan,Nothing (except Shepard maybe..) Can stop them.For them curing the genophage would've been like taking candy from a baby.Plus Krogan aren't that smart,Indoctrinating a key Krogan as a Reaper Spy would've been enough,They wouldn't know what was happening up until you know...they're in that tube being melted.