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[D.Shepard]

I'm currently playing as Infiltrator, it's my second play as infiltrator and 5th Mass Effect gameplay, and I'm thinking about the upgrade to select during Collector Ship mission.

The previous time I selected Assault Rifle training only because I loved Assault rifles during my first walkthrough as Soldier.
This time I'm thinking about every possible option: selecting Assault Rifles again, choosing the Widow anti-material sniper rifle or getting the shotgun training.

The Widow is very alluring but it's limited ammo capacity is instilling doubts in me.

The Assault rifle training could give me additional firepower when, and if, run out of thermal clip for sniper rifle, since the SMG tends to be not very effective from mid/long range.

The shotgun combined with Infiltrator's tactical cloak could create very interesting scenarios. Moving undetected near enemies, killing them with the eviscerator shotgun.
The most relevant problem with "cloaking warfare" becomes clear when you a forced to fire many rounds, reducing the effectiveness of the cloak itself. Shotguns should allow  one, or two, shot kills.

Note about difficulty level: I think I won't  play again on Insanity but I could change my mind during gameplay. Currently I have selected Hardcore. 


What do you suggest?

Thank You for your assistance.  

[thisisme8]

D.Shepard wrote...

I'm currently playing as Infiltrator, it's my second play as infiltrator and 5th Mass Effect gameplay, and I'm thinking about the upgrade to select during Collector Ship mission.

The previous time I selected Assault Rifle training only because I loved Assault rifles during my first walkthrough as Soldier.
This time I'm thinking about every possible option: selecting Assault Rifles again, choosing the Widow anti-material sniper rifle or getting the shotgun training.

The Widow is very alluring but it's limited ammo capacity is instilling doubts in me.

The Assault rifle training could give me additional firepower when, and if, run out of thermal clip for sniper rifle, since the SMG tends to be not very effective from mid/long range.

The shotgun combined with Infiltrator's tactical cloak could create very interesting scenarios. Moving undetected near enemies, killing them with the eviscerator shotgun.
The most relevant problem with "cloaking warfare" becomes clear when you a forced to fire many rounds, reducing the effectiveness of the cloak itself. Shotguns should allow  one, or two, shot kills.

Note about difficulty level: I think I won't  play again on Insanity but I could change my mind during gameplay. Currently I have selected Hardcore. 


What do you suggest?

Thank You for your assistance.  

Pick up the Widow Anti-Materiel Shotgun.

Edited.

Modifié par thisisme8, 24 février 2010 - 08:08 .

[Darnalak]

If you wanna snipe, snag the widow, if you wanna go closecombat, the Shotgun (eviscerator) is pretty happy times.

[Besetment]

I'm of the opinion that Widow is the weapon that the class was made for. Ammo capacity is not a big deal as long as you can aim and nail headshots which isn't that difficult to do on PC. I have no idea about 360 since I hear those guys take issue with the autoaim. The other thing you need to do is use your squadmates as they help you to save ammo. i.e. Overload a blue sun merc's shields before cloaking + headshot since Widow is best against armour. This helps you to kill in 1 shot instead of 2. Or if you run into a Krogan, start off with 1x Incinerate and then cloak + headshot which will strip Krogan armour on Insanity+ with no upgrades. Once they are in health use Pull to drag them into your squadmate's line of fire and let them finish them off. Instead of 4 shots to kill an Insanity+ Krogan you only use 1. Little things like that go a long way.

The SMG when upgraded does pretty much everything you need for close range. Just check out Thisisme8's youtube videos since he rolls through Insanity with pretty much SMG only. And also yeah. Widow is as good as a shotgun at punching range. You really have to try to miss at that kind of range.

Modifié par Besetment, 24 février 2010 - 08:13 .

[cruc1al]

Darnalak wrote...

If you wanna snipe, snag the widow, if you wanna go closecombat, the Shotgun (eviscerator) is pretty happy times.

Or the semi-auto shotgun with warp ammo.

[the120Truth]

widow

[Darnalak]

cruc1al wrote...

Darnalak wrote...

If you wanna snipe, snag the widow, if you wanna go closecombat, the Shotgun (eviscerator) is pretty happy times.

Or the semi-auto shotgun with warp ammo.

Yep, that certainly works too  but I generally only fire 1 shot before I just run up and beat the crap outta them with the butt end of the gun   so the awesomeness that is the semi auto shotgun is kinna lost on my playstyle.

[seckint]

i prefered widow with assian cloak and max damage for head shots you can take down harbinger with cloak shot to head no problem

[ol macca lo]

as an infaltrator i have used both sniper rifles now. i am still unable to do this level as of yet. i use jack and thane. as the fight starts and the first platform comes in i dispatch the first 3 really simply. the next few start to get tricky. i cloak and snipe dispatching drones first the the harbinger. after that i am left with 2 scions for a short while. when the next wave arrives i found myself unable to unity team due to no gel and get wasted by harbinger. i struggle with what cover to use. i use the centre one of the so called "u". and place my team inside the "u" n either side. am really at wits end and need advice please guys on how to get through this bit.

[Atmosfear3]

I can't believe this question still gets asked.



Do I want a Ferrari (Widow) or do I want a Toyota (run of the mill)? I wonder...

[EliteZev]

Widow is god!

[_Nyorai]

Widow rules- and dude, free Assault Armor DLC increase ammo 10%, so if that's your only concern..... On another note, 5 plays and twice Infiltrator? Soldier gets Revenant Machine Gun, have you tried that???

[JaegerBane]

Definitely go for the Widow on an infiltrator. Your Tempest and Carnifex cover everything at short to medium range.

Nyorai wrote...

Widow rules- and dude, free Assault Armor DLC increase ammo 10%, so if that's your only concern..... On another note, 5 plays and twice Infiltrator? Soldier gets Revenant Machine Gun, have you tried that???

The Assault Armour only affects heavy weapon ammo, it doesn't do anything to Thermal Clips.

[weirdscientist]

I can't believe the vindicator is gettin' no love for the infiltrator. Highly accurate, great dps, great medium-long range weapon, more bullets. As praised as the widow is, viper still wins as the better overall sniper rifle, imo. Even though it has less dps, it's semi-automatic and has many more bullets. You'd be surprised at how quickly you can take down heavily armored foes (harbinger, scions) with the viper, especially if you get squad inferno ammo via grunt or jacob.

When I played as an infiltrator on insanity, my two choice weapons were vindicator and viper. My killing speed was amazing and I never ran out of bullets. Definitely was a more enjoyable experience.

But to each his own. Save your game before you pick up your new weapon. Try the widow. If you don't like it, try the vindicator. If neither fits you, then hell, go shottie infiltrator! Cloak + shottie = sneaky destructive bastard

Modifié par weirdscientist, 27 février 2010 - 04:01 .

[Spyndel]

JaegerBane wrote...

Definitely go for the Widow on an infiltrator. Your Tempest and Carnifex cover everything at short to medium range.

Nyorai wrote...

Widow rules- and dude, free Assault Armor DLC increase ammo 10%, so if that's your only concern..... On another note, 5 plays and twice Infiltrator? Soldier gets Revenant Machine Gun, have you tried that???

The Assault Armour only affects heavy weapon ammo, it doesn't do anything to Thermal Clips.

You can buy a pair of gloves on Omega that gives you +10% general ammo.  But for the Widow, thats like an extra bullet.  The Widow is awesome, but its sort of a situanal, more like a heavy weapon...you wont be able to use it "all the time" especially on Insanity where the number of things you can one shot with it is more limited.  If you want to snipe "all the time", stick to the Viper.

I would still take the Widow for the Infiltrator though. If youre not going to take the ultimate sniper rifle for the Ultimate Sniper, whats the point, I say.

[weirdscientist]

Spyndel wrote...

JaegerBane wrote...

Definitely go for the Widow on an infiltrator. Your Tempest and Carnifex cover everything at short to medium range.

Nyorai wrote...

Widow rules- and dude, free Assault Armor DLC increase ammo 10%, so if that's your only concern..... On another note, 5 plays and twice Infiltrator? Soldier gets Revenant Machine Gun, have you tried that???

The Assault Armour only affects heavy weapon ammo, it doesn't do anything to Thermal Clips.

You can buy a pair of gloves on Omega that gives you +10% general ammo.  But for the Widow, thats like an extra bullet.  The Widow is awesome, but its sort of a situanal, more like a heavy weapon...you wont be able to use it "all the time" especially on Insanity where the number of things you can one shot with it is more limited.  If you want to snipe "all the time", stick to the Viper.

I would still take the Widow for the Infiltrator though. If youre not going to take the ultimate sniper rifle for the Ultimate Sniper, whats the point, I say.

Truth be told, I believe the soldier is the ultimate sniper. Adrenaline rush has a faster cooldown and can be spammed while using any weapon (infiltrator only gets sniper rifle slow down). There is a higher damage output while in AR just like when you're cloaked. The only difference is that you can still be seen by enemies while in AR. But they're moving very slowly anyway, so you can still line up that perfect headshot with hardly any interruption. And if you get hardened AR, then you take 50% less damage 

[Exile5618]

D.Shepard wrote...

I'm currently playing as Infiltrator, it's my second play as infiltrator and 5th Mass Effect gameplay, and I'm thinking about the upgrade to select during Collector Ship mission.

The previous time I selected Assault Rifle training only because I loved Assault rifles during my first walkthrough as Soldier.
This time I'm thinking about every possible option: selecting Assault Rifles again, choosing the Widow anti-material sniper rifle or getting the shotgun training.

The Widow is very alluring but it's limited ammo capacity is instilling doubts in me.

The Assault rifle training could give me additional firepower when, and if, run out of thermal clip for sniper rifle, since the SMG tends to be not very effective from mid/long range.

The shotgun combined with Infiltrator's tactical cloak could create very interesting scenarios. Moving undetected near enemies, killing them with the eviscerator shotgun.
The most relevant problem with "cloaking warfare" becomes clear when you a forced to fire many rounds, reducing the effectiveness of the cloak itself. Shotguns should allow  one, or two, shot kills.

Note about difficulty level: I think I won't  play again on Insanity but I could change my mind during gameplay. Currently I have selected Hardcore. 


What do you suggest?

Thank You for your assistance.  

I just finished an Infiltrator playthrough last night where I had chosen the M-98 Widow Anti-Material Rifle.  At the time I was not sure about that weapon myself, but when I went up against that Praetorian near the end of the Collectors ship level, it proved to be a good weapon.  I have never been able to take that Praetorian down so quickly before, and without even dying.  I did switch to the M-97 Viper Sniper Rifle for the end game battles but I definately enjoyed the Widow.

[Spyndel]

weirdscientist wrote...

Spyndel wrote...

JaegerBane wrote...

Definitely go for the Widow on an infiltrator. Your Tempest and Carnifex cover everything at short to medium range.

Nyorai wrote...

Widow rules- and dude, free Assault Armor DLC increase ammo 10%, so if that's your only concern..... On another note, 5 plays and twice Infiltrator? Soldier gets Revenant Machine Gun, have you tried that???

The Assault Armour only affects heavy weapon ammo, it doesn't do anything to Thermal Clips.

You can buy a pair of gloves on Omega that gives you +10% general ammo.  But for the Widow, thats like an extra bullet.  The Widow is awesome, but its sort of a situanal, more like a heavy weapon...you wont be able to use it "all the time" especially on Insanity where the number of things you can one shot with it is more limited.  If you want to snipe "all the time", stick to the Viper.

I would still take the Widow for the Infiltrator though. If youre not going to take the ultimate sniper rifle for the Ultimate Sniper, whats the point, I say.

Truth be told, I believe the soldier is the ultimate sniper. Adrenaline rush has a faster cooldown and can be spammed while using any weapon (infiltrator only gets sniper rifle slow down). There is a higher damage output while in AR just like when you're cloaked. The only difference is that you can still be seen by enemies while in AR. But they're moving very slowly anyway, so you can still line up that perfect headshot with hardly any interruption. And if you get hardened AR, then you take 50% less damage 

Sniping is about oportunistic burst damage potential.  Infiltrator does almost double damage sniping while cloaked.  Infiltrator fully upgraded can actually one shot higher level enemies that the soldier cant, even with the Widow.

The case seems pretty clear to me that the Infilrtrator is the "Ultimate" sniper, not taking anything away from the soldier class. Adrenaline Rush makes any weapon great.

[weirdscientist]

Spyndel wrote...

weirdscientist wrote...

Spyndel wrote...

JaegerBane wrote...

Definitely go for the Widow on an infiltrator. Your Tempest and Carnifex cover everything at short to medium range.

Nyorai wrote...

Widow rules- and dude, free Assault Armor DLC increase ammo 10%, so if that's your only concern..... On another note, 5 plays and twice Infiltrator? Soldier gets Revenant Machine Gun, have you tried that???

The Assault Armour only affects heavy weapon ammo, it doesn't do anything to Thermal Clips.

You can buy a pair of gloves on Omega that gives you +10% general ammo.  But for the Widow, thats like an extra bullet.  The Widow is awesome, but its sort of a situanal, more like a heavy weapon...you wont be able to use it "all the time" especially on Insanity where the number of things you can one shot with it is more limited.  If you want to snipe "all the time", stick to the Viper.

I would still take the Widow for the Infiltrator though. If youre not going to take the ultimate sniper rifle for the Ultimate Sniper, whats the point, I say.

Truth be told, I believe the soldier is the ultimate sniper. Adrenaline rush has a faster cooldown and can be spammed while using any weapon (infiltrator only gets sniper rifle slow down). There is a higher damage output while in AR just like when you're cloaked. The only difference is that you can still be seen by enemies while in AR. But they're moving very slowly anyway, so you can still line up that perfect headshot with hardly any interruption. And if you get hardened AR, then you take 50% less damage 

Sniping is about oportunistic burst damage potential.  Infiltrator does almost double damage sniping while cloaked.  Infiltrator fully upgraded can actually one shot higher level enemies that the soldier cant, even with the Widow.

The case seems pretty clear to me that the Infilrtrator is the "Ultimate" sniper, not taking anything away from the soldier class. Adrenaline Rush makes any weapon great.

Agreed. A pimped out infiltrator kicks serious ass with a widow.

[Meshick]

........aren't you get it anyway by giving you it by Legion?

[JaegerBane]

Meshick wrote...

........aren't you get it anyway by giving you it by Legion?

I don't speak engrish

Just kidding. Essentially, Legion, like most other team mates, does about half the damage that Shep does with it. Not to mention that you can't really snipe by bringing a Sniper team mate. They'll never have Sheps accuracy.

[Urazz]

weirdscientist wrote...

Spyndel wrote...

JaegerBane wrote...

Definitely go for the Widow on an infiltrator. Your Tempest and Carnifex cover everything at short to medium range.

Nyorai wrote...

Widow rules- and dude, free Assault Armor DLC increase ammo 10%, so if that's your only concern..... On another note, 5 plays and twice Infiltrator? Soldier gets Revenant Machine Gun, have you tried that???

The Assault Armour only affects heavy weapon ammo, it doesn't do anything to Thermal Clips.

You can buy a pair of gloves on Omega that gives you +10% general ammo.  But for the Widow, thats like an extra bullet.  The Widow is awesome, but its sort of a situanal, more like a heavy weapon...you wont be able to use it "all the time" especially on Insanity where the number of things you can one shot with it is more limited.  If you want to snipe "all the time", stick to the Viper.

I would still take the Widow for the Infiltrator though. If youre not going to take the ultimate sniper rifle for the Ultimate Sniper, whats the point, I say.

Truth be told, I believe the soldier is the ultimate sniper. Adrenaline rush has a faster cooldown and can be spammed while using any weapon (infiltrator only gets sniper rifle slow down). There is a higher damage output while in AR just like when you're cloaked. The only difference is that you can still be seen by enemies while in AR. But they're moving very slowly anyway, so you can still line up that perfect headshot with hardly any interruption. And if you get hardened AR, then you take 50% less damage 

Nah, sniper rifle slow down doesn't have a cooldown so it's much easier to line up shots while as a soldier you have to wait for AR to get off cooldown so you can fire again.

AR is more flexible to be sure but they use several guns over just the sniper rifle mainly (though as a soldier I find myself mostly just using the assault rifle and sniper rifle mostly.).

[Arde5643]

[quote]JaegerBane wrote...

[quote]Meshick wrote...

........aren't you get it anyway by giving you it by Legion?[/quote]

I don't speak engrish

Just kidding. Essentially, Legion, like most other team mates, does about half the damage that Shep does with it. Not to mention that you can't really snipe by bringing a Sniper team mate. They'll never have Sheps accuracy.

[/quote
They do great headshots on any enemies stunned by singularity, frozen, or affected by biotics (blue ragdoll effect) and sometimes even thrown enemies.

But yeah, not what an infiltrator will have.

[We Tigers]

I love the Widow. Cloaked widow shots are brutally powerful for Hardcore/Insanity. I've never really had ammo problems, either, though I do use the SMG and pistol a fair bit (if you're not occasionally cloaking and blitzing guys with the SMG, you're missing out). Cloak + widow makes some boss fights incredibly easy. I like the Viper too, but even with the sniper slowdown it's dangerous to stay out of cover all that long with it. Assault rifle would be cool, but I think it fills less of a role on the infiltrator than it does on the classes that only have SMG/pistol before the Collector Ship.

[mosor]

The widow hands down. Why would you want another assault rifle when the tempest is a pretty damn good SMG? The viper is a great rifle, but its better for a soldier than for an infiltrator. You break your cloak after one shot, so it might as well be a high impact shot.