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[Zulu_DFA]

Master Smurf wrote...

So after going through a suicide mission and finding out that the galaxy can be wiped out - you just leave to do something else - OP your reasoning is flawed.
I can see Jack, Zaeed and Thane leaving, maybe Mordin (might be dead) but the others would most likely stay to fight the impending doom / regroup to fight the onslaught.

As for ME crew - Wrex is the leader of his race / Dead and Liara while she could return doesnt seem interested and Samara is much more experienced and powerful.
I'm sure Ashley / Kaidan will return and most likely Liara as well.

Edit: forgot about the crew can die concept (as I saved them all) so I guess its ME crew members and new ones for ME3 - then you will only see the alive crew at the end.
Alternately they can double the disc count and come up with some way to bring in some of your ME2 crew

My reasoning is this.
Saving the Galaxy is about this.

Staying by Shepard doesn't make any sense for most of them. Worthy bodyguards are Zaeed and Grunt (if released from the tank that is). Every one else better goes out to do something of real importance to make real difference. It's not a beer party where everybody tries to scrog everybody in the end. And not an ethnic music band's money-raising tour. It's a war. And war is all about gathering intelligence, resourses, allies etc. And they are not going to succeed a lot if they just ... do nothing, but bang-bang husks here and there and scrog each other in between. Each of the only dozen individuals in the Galaxy that is so far concerned about the Reaper threat can go to their respective race and try to convince them to drop their petty grudges and unite against the looming doom. Cover more ground it is called.

And your desire as a player to have them on *your* Shepard's crew in ME3 has nothing to do with in-game logic of events. If taken seriously by BioWare it will ruin the plot of the game. It'll be a cheap piece of fan service. Again.

Your point remains hardly valid.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 28 février 2010 - 08:49 .

[ColinMT]

I want my old crew from ME1 back along with maybe 2 or 3 from ME2.

[Zulu_DFA]

ColinMT wrote...

I want my old crew from ME1 back along with maybe 2 or 3 from ME2.

You'll get for sure:

Liara,
Ashley/Kaidan
Legion
Several ME2 squadmates as DLC like Zaeed was (with little to zero character development).

Will you be happy about that?

[Skilled Seeker]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

ColinMT wrote...

I want my old crew from ME1 back along with maybe 2 or 3 from ME2.

You'll get for sure:

Liara,
Ashley/Kaidan
Legion
Several ME2 squadmates as DLC like Zaeed was (with little to zero character development).

Will you be happy about that?

Do you work for Bioware? No. So kindly stfu. And don't you dare call Zaeed a bad character.

[Zulu_DFA]

Skilled Seeker wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

ColinMT wrote...

I want my old crew from ME1 back along with maybe 2 or 3 from ME2.

You'll get for sure:

Liara,
Ashley/Kaidan
Legion
Several ME2 squadmates as DLC like Zaeed was (with little to zero character development).

Will you be happy about that?

Do you work for Bioware? No. So kindly stfu. And don't you dare call Zaeed a bad character.

Cool it, Zaeed made ME2 for me.

[Master Smurf]

But once again - this is your reality about how it will/should unfold.

Wouldnt be that logical in my Shep universe - How would nobodies (outside of Tali/Legion) with hardly any influence, scatter around the universe to do all this recon and "nation building" without the Normandy and the "Saviour"



Zaeed - nothing

Grunt - would have to rival Wrex/ or could just lead if Wrex is Dead - ok

Miranda / Jacob - nothing

Garrus - nothing

Samara - nothing

Thane - dead/nothing

Mordin - dead/ could influence STG - ok

Jack - nothing

Yes - you can make an argument for how all of them go off and do "their part" to further cause against the reapers but you can argue the other side to.

You want the game one way and others want their old / save squads back - only BW knows how they will make it

[The BS Police]

It's pretty obvious that the following will be returning as squadmates...

Liara
Ash/Kaiden
Tali'Zorah vas Normandy
Garrus
Miranda
Grunt
Legion
Jacob

These are my reasoning's...

1. Liara: Not only is she a LI in the first game but she is also guaranteed to be alive after the events of both games, it would be a massive cop out ff she only had another cameo role.

2. Ash/Kaiden: While either-one can be killed in the first game they could share similar roles like they did in ME2, there status as a LI also increased their chances of returning.

3. Tali'Zorah vas Normandy: Let's face it, her popularity alone guarantees that she will return as a squadmate, her last name being changed to "Vas Normandy" also guarantees it.

4. Garrus: Not only is he a hugely popular character, his also extremely loyal to Shepard but he also views Shepard as a sort of mentor or inspiration. He has nothing better to do anyway.

5. Miranda: She quits Cerberus and remains loyal to Shepard, she will more than likely return.

6. Grunt: Shepard is his Battlemaster, it's pretty obvious where his loyalties lie.

7. Legion: Legion is pretty much directly linked to the none Heretic Geth, he also has a good chance in returning.

8. Jacob: He doesn't trust the Alliance nor does he trust Cerberus, but he is loyal to Shepard making his return pretty likely.

As for the other squad members it is difficult to guess who else will return as squadmates, I'd say it is very unlikely that Thane or Wrex will return since Wrex has other responsibilities and Thane may want to spend the remainder of his time with his son. Anything can happen with Samara/Morinth and Jack, as for Mordin, Zaeed, and Kasumi who knows?

Modifié par The BS Police, 28 février 2010 - 10:25 .

[Zulu_DFA]

Master Smurf wrote...

But once again - this is your reality about how it will/should unfold.
Wouldnt be that logical in my Shep universe - How would nobodies (outside of Tali/Legion) with hardly any influence, scatter around the universe to do all this recon and "nation building" without the Normandy and the "Saviour"
....
Yes - you can make an argument for how all of them go off and do "their part" to further cause against the reapers but you can argue the other side to.
You want the game one way and others want their old / save squads back - only BW knows how they will make it

A agree with that. And this is another reason for BioWare to give everybody an equal start. With noticeable perks for those who saved certain/all charaters on the "suicide mission", but they shouldn't build ME3 solely on this assumtption.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 28 février 2010 - 10:33 .

[JMA22TB]

First thing I'd add is a Batarian. Sure, the ones you run into are mostly terrorists, slavers, or mercs but there has to be at least one out of their entire race that actually wants to help others. Add that to the potential of an awesome tense conversation like the one you have with Legion, and there's no reason not to. Unless you're Earthborn/Spacer and Sole Survivor, Shepard has personal history with Batarians too.



A Spectre would be cool. Even though I kinda want to see a Council declaring you a traitor dilemna, it would make more sense for them to take whatever proof Shepard has from EDI and say we don't believe you so we're sending one of ours with you to make sure you're not BS'ing. Maybe a female Turian since those apparently aren't around. How cool would it be for that Spectre to be the hand-to-hand specialist Garrus mentioned? FemShep and Spectre chick fighting over Garrus? hehe



As far as love interests are concerned, keep the squad romances from ME and ME2 but develop options that aren't part of your crew. Build on Gianna and Shiala, maybe Kelly too, add a couple new girls, but also a couple of dapper gentlemen for FemShep. After all, you're the most famous hero in the galaxy there have to be more than a couple very eligible bachelors and bachelorettes who want a piece of Commander Shepard.

[Zulu_DFA]

JMA22TB wrote...

... romances from ME and ME2 but develop options that aren't part of your crew. Build on Gianna ....

This is a great idea, sir! Screw the squad LI!!! My Jarhead Shepard doesn't sleep with his crew anyway. It's against regulations!

On another note, I edited the topic: added a possibility of a ME:Ascention or ME:Retribution character to join Shepard's crew in ME3. Novel characters have a lot of potential.  Besides it would save BioWare a lot of time and other mundane things on "character development".

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 01 mars 2010 - 01:28 .

[superimposed]

I wouldn't mind one or two new Squaddies, but all the old Squads need to have their stories closed off.

[Zulu_DFA]

superimposed wrote...

I wouldn't mind one or two new Squaddies, but all the old Squads need to have their stories closed off.

And the best way to do it, for some of them at least, is to make them epic NPC cameos.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 01 mars 2010 - 02:00 .

[superimposed]

Wrex rides in with a horde of Krogan, Tali with the entire Quarian Fleet. Garrus can... I don't know, go mope at them or something.

[mopotter]

Personal opinion here, well I guess really every reply is a personal opinion. Anyway, I expect to have back Kaidan/Ash and Liara from ME1. I would like to have Tali, Garrus because my Shepard trust them to watch her back, but I'm not positive I'll have them available.



From ME2 I don't really care who is available. I felt sad when Jack died, more than I thought I would, but the only ones I expect to see as available team members are Miranda and Jacob because it seems they can't die in the suicide mission unless everyone dies.



I would not mind having some of them back but I'm having trouble figuring out the logistics of this.

I believe BioWare can perform amazing things, but I don't see how they will keep NPC's out of one person's game if they died and on another person's team if they lived.



The whole idea that your decisions carry over show up in the NPC's you meet and or work with even more than in some of the other areas. I always kept Wrex alive, others killed him. If you killed him he was not clan chief. If you kept him alive he was. Even Conrad. I ignored him in a couple of games and he does not show up in these carryovers.



I will be greatly interested in seeing how they do this. Hoping I can work with a group I already know but pretty much resigned to a very small group or a new one.

[CmdrFenix83]

2 or 3 of them for those that wiped out the majority of their party, maybe, but no more.  The squad we've already formed should mostly be back.  ME3 should be about rallying armies, and guess what?  Just like DA:O's version of this script, you'll end up doing your 'babysitting' loyalty missions to get the fleets to side with you.  This is just a prediction on my part, but it seems to be likely, especially since they have said they do want us to visit Earth, Thessia, etc at some point in the series.

[Knoll Argonar]

Add Kahlee Sanders as a tech specialist, Liara as a Biotic specialist and some random leader (maybe just Ashley or Alenko, in fact the former is Commander now), and you may have all the crew you need for ME3 if it comes to be the worst case scenario.

No need to have more new characters, as it was obvious ME2 was about doing that job for ME3. Almost all ME2 characters may return to ME3, maybe Jack, Thane and Mordin don't, since they were already well developed and they have life span issues.

That would keep a max team of 10-12 like ME2, but without the recruitment and loyalty missions. That's it, more character interaction, development and plot-related-problems necessary to keep their evolution as characters.

And we would have a lot of room for more plot-missions, character-development, etc.

There's no way they could do it better.

Modifié par Knoll Argonar, 01 mars 2010 - 08:44 .

[MajorStranger]

I say ME3 shouldn't bring a lot of new character but maybe some. It would be more about recruting army (Like Batarian, Geth, Krogan, Vorcha, ect.) to fight off the Reapers. Mordin would work on a synthetic virus to bring down Reaper's barrier, Wrex and Grunt would command the Krogan Army, Legion would be your Geth liaison, Tali your Quarian liaison, Garrus your best pal and second and command. Liara and Samara trying to recruit Asari ect. I hope Zaeed will get a better story in ME3 if he's there

[Vaenier]

I want Rachni squad member! would be epic to bring him on missions. Hey, we got a Geth, why not have a Rachni too.

Shep: "Whats with all the security?"

C-Sec: "There have been reports of Rachni ships in Citadel space. We are preparing for possible infiltration."

Rachni: "Rachni do not infiltrate"

C-Sec: "Please leave your pets at home sir. Animals are not allowed on the Presidium."

[Aynslie]

Shepard should not have to find new crew mates in ME3. That would be a waste of good storyline time where Bioware needs to wrap everything up. Besides we have a bizillion crew mates as it is if we can bring back anyone who didn't die in the last two games. We can develop the current crew mates more............Please I hope they don't make us get new crew mates, I'll get sick.

[Majinfefnir13]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Disclaimer: New squadmates DO NOT REQUIRE RECRUITMENT/LOYALTY missions. If someone thinks, that every new squadmate requires a reqruitment mission to be recruited and a loyalty mission to get to full capacity, go play Mass Effect One, where zero squadmates out of six had their personal reqruitment/loyalty missions that deviated from the main plot (Oh, Garrus and Wrex had their personal quests, but they were completely optional, like ME2's N7 missions).

Variant

1. Turian. Garrus himself says he is not a good turian. We need a good one. As badass as the Turian Councillor or the Refund Guy shopkeeper. Also, we haven't seen turian biotics yet, and those may have some unique fancy tricks.

2. Asari. All we've got so far is a nerdy virgin and a post-menopause nun. We need one that just decided that ass-shaking is enough and it's merc time! This doesn't mean Liara is off the crew. Two young asari ... mmmm... BTW having a sexy asary in the current squad should provide a "charm" bonus during negotiations (strange how they haven't come up with such a thing yet.)

3. Salarian. Mordin's nephew sounds cool. Joins in to save the Galaxy and get a good reproduction contract.

4. Batarian. Aria's Anto would suffice, but he needs to be able to tell the batarian version of the Skillian Blitz / Torfan / Mindoir story, and about Batarian history, culture, biology -- all the Codex things. Gives "intimidation" bonus to Shepard while in the shore party.

5. Human. Alliance soldier. I mean a real space marine, with no daddy issues of any type. Like the one telling the new recruits about how badass Sir Isaac Newton is. Like Corporal Jenkins, who was lucky enough to live past his first goof in the field and learn from it. Not a love interest. Very formal with Shepard. Not so fond of Ashley/Kaidan though, because of their second-guessing Shepard's Cerberus affiliation, but accepts everything Shepard says with "Aye-aye, suh" and "Suh, yes, suh!"

6. Quarian. Kal'Reegar would be awesome. Too bad he is expendable in ME2. Hence, another working class quarian, not a freaking royalty with racial inferiority complex and a daddy issue that only piled up in ME2.

7. Drell. Uh... Since we've had one already. Feron qualifies for being Liara's buddy able to pilot spacecraft. Possible Shepard's wingman (along with Joker) for fighter space combat, if BioWare makes it (as they should).

8. Trumps out #2, but unlikely, I think. Aria T'Loak herself.

9. Maybe a character from ME:Ascention or ME:Retribution. Kahlee Sanders or reapertech-augmented Paul Grayson. A new quarian squadmate could have had a cameo in Ascention.

Note: New squadmates should have self-sufficient and strong enough personalities not to require an odd babysitting "loyalty" mission to get them to their full capacity. They also should not prefer some remote rat holes as their hiding places, in case Shepard needs a new most awesome crew he ever had, but be ready to join along the main plot railtrack.

Note 2. Of the old squadmates Liara, Ashley/Kaidan and Legion can join up in the retail version. Garrus, Grunt, Jack, Zaeed as free Day 1 DLC. Others - cameos (if alive) at important plotwise locations. Tali - Migrant fleet (pardoned if previously exiled). Miranda and/or Jacob - Citadel/Omega, working for TIM on a secret mission. Mordin at some STG research facility, leading collector/reaper study. Samara vid-mail: trains new Justicars back in Asari space, warns a renegade Shepard to watch himself / is happy with record of a paragon Shepard. Thane - dead, natural causes.

Note 3. BioWare should give a option to reject any recruitable character, and give an opportunity to fire (a Carnifex at) any of them afterwards.

As much as I want all my old squadmates back so new ones would be good (Especially a Batarian and Female Turian)

About your team selections:
1)I would prefer a Female Turian Spectre(replacing Garrus prehaps?) ,better if she was seen to hunt you down you convinced her to join you.(as mentioned in your Ecaped Convict Thread) She should be sniper orientated also give her a special weapon(like the weapons Grunt and Legion get) like Turian 50 cal. Sniper rifle or something  exclusive from her race

2)You mentioned Aria in your #8, that would be interesting as a squadmate(getting her to join you might be a different story in itself)but a battle harden Asari commando would be very nice(the negotiation bonus is a very interesting idea)

3)I would rather have a trained professional then a college kid like a Salarian STG(or Ex STG) who maybe once worked with Mordin and Kirrahe,maybe be like a Zaeed in a sense (a soldier of Fortune who looking to keep his skills sharp)

4)Also same with #4 I want the best of the best in some bodyguard for a Crimelord, a Batarian Special forces Agent would be better,also have a Batarian Squadmate would give some insight about the batarian race (Like legion did for the geth)

5)What about a Corsair? There're sorta like Space Navy Seals..in a sense,as for everything else I agree with 100%.(glares at Jacob and Ashley) Personally I would like the soldier to be like  "Soap" MacTavish from MW2(calm, dosen't second guess, fellows though with the plan and always has a plan B when plan A fails) but that just me
6)Kal'reeger would be very awesome   if Kal is dead a quarian marine with some connection to Kal would be just as good (like a old buddy from boot camp),maybe Han'Gerrel would be just as awesome:wizard:
7)Personally a Drell assassin(Female preferably ) would be better but be more ninja like(something that Thane failed to do) similiar to Kasumi with some awesome assassination techniques and stealth skills(minues the biotics)

8)Read #2

9)Like the idea of Paul Grayson and Kahlee Sanders joining you(maybe we can visit Gillian on the Foltilla)

[GodWood]

Anderson!

[Chuvvy]

None I just want the old ones and I want them done well.

[smudboy]

I've mentioned this before on other posts, but we really need to see a compelling Batarian and Vorcha character, since none of their NPCs have really shown us any compassion or care for their entire race.  There were a few notable Batarians, especially from the Bring Down the Sky DLC.

Zulu_DFA wrote...
1. Turian. Garrus himself says he is not a good turian. We need a good one. As badass as the Turian Councillor or the Refund Guy shopkeeper. Also, we haven't seen turian biotics yet, and those may have some unique fancy tricks.

I agree.  I think it's about time we get a "good" strict military female Turian.  Would be a great contrast to Garrus.

4. Batarian. Aria's Anto would suffice, but he needs to be able to tell the batarian version of the Skillian Blitz / Torfan / Mindoir story, and about Batarian history, culture, biology -- all the Codex things. Gives "intimidation" bonus to Shepard while in the shore party.

We interacted with a lot of males, saved/helped/killed.  But throw in a female.  I can see this being the next Tali/Quarian of ME1, with her own family/anti-human issues.

6. Quarian. Kal'Reegar would be awesome. Too bad he is expendable in ME2. Hence, another working class quarian, not a freaking royalty with racial inferiority complex and a daddy issue that only piled up in ME2.

There were quite a lot that Shepard saved and encountered in ME2.  However, I strongly believe it would be more interesting to team up with Daro'Xen.  She's got the more interesting story, the voice talent, and would play the "Chaotic Quarian" card to throw into our mix of merry galaxy savers (including Geth, and Tali.)  The other Quarians just seemed the token war/peace/mom/help me archtype.