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[xXRaFFiCaXx]

In ME2: Poorly desinged levels. For example, in Geth Heretics base you could find med packs.. rofl why would geth need med packs? In ME1 we didn't have such noneseance.

Pretty sure there was, or didn't you notice how armor and weapons coincidentially clogged up every probe, crate, and malfunctioning object in ME1?

I can see you protesting ME2 as being unrealistic--it is. That doesn't make everything that happens in ME1 science fact. I think all this is is a guy suffering from too much change in a sequel.

[Trauma3x]

"Wait! We have Medi-Gel!"



Oh! That's not real either!

[dcrypt]

So what the OP is trying to tell us is he has autism and we should feel sorry for him.

[Harcken]

I played this space game thing, and like it has giant dragons and every planet has life and like i can shoot laser beams with eye implants... don't criticize, it's science fiction goddammit!

[aaron baba]

As everyone has pointed out: it's a science fiction game.

Science...fiction.



If i wanted to play a game that gets the laws of physics and other common knowledge right i WOULD NOT play games in the first place.



You make a valid point. Yes, there are many hiccups and errors Bioware made in terms of the science being realistic. But Bioware doesn't seem too interested in making a game that's 100% true in the category of science and physics. Besides, games that do that are incredibly boring.



Also, i suggest you learn to spell before you tell Bioware they should learn how to do physics.

[IRMcGhee]

I remember the OP posting all this before, and the last comment is obviously designed just to start a flame war. To coin a phrase, back under your bridge.

[tommythetomcat]

Sentient Machines that are millions of years old that destroy civilization every 50,000 years to make babies is a scientific fact.

[Jonathan_Strange]

Nikitn wrote...

First of all, YES. I know that bioware aren't scientists. But when they make wild claims in ME2 and spout noneseance data, they need to back this up. I do not like it when developers simply make up garbage and break established laws of physics & so on so that their game looks fancy for a 14 year old. Only conclusion I can draw from this is, that the team developing ME1 and ME2 were different ones.

I mean seriously, there are so many logical fails, breaking of laws of physics and so on in ME2 that it is amazing. Examples:

In ME2: The ridiculous notion that Earth size planets can form at the outer edge of a solar system, and even support a dense athmosphere. Impossible due 2 the fact that terrestial planets only form close to the sun for reasons I cba 2 explain (short version: in the beginning of a solar system, there is only dust around the star. The heavier material the dust is made of, the closer it is to the sun. If the material is light, it can be further away from the sun. this is due 2 gravity).

Hell, even if a terrestial planet on the size of earth somehow managed to form in the outer part of the solar system - I don't see how a super cold planet could support an athmosphere (we must also take into account that a planet needs a certain amount of metalls in its core to provide a magnetic field and thus protect its athmosphere). Look at Jupiter's moon Europa. Sure the Sun could be much larger (in terms of mass) and thus emit much more radiation than the sun - but in that case there simply would be more planets around the Sun as well from what I understand. The entire mass of the solar system would increase if the Sun's mass would increase. In ME1 we didn't have such noneseance.

In ME2: LOL people like Miranda and Jack can go out in space or ice-cold planets WITHOUT COVERING THEIR ENTIRE BODY WITH ISOLATING SUITS. I mean all they have is their normal clothes and an oxygen mask... lmao I don't even need to explain why this is retarded. In ME1 we didn't have such noneseance.

In ME2: In some planets it stands that you cannot breathe the air: But you still can land on them and not even use the breathing mask! In ME1 we didn't have such noneseance.

In ME2: Poorly desinged levels. For example, in Geth Heretics base you could find med packs.. rofl why would geth need med packs? In ME1 we didn't have such noneseance.

In ME2: Dumb, useless thermal clips. Even from a technological POW it is a step BACK from not using thermal clips (and it is funny how all weapons in the entire ME universe started using thermal clips in 2 years). I enjoyed the interesting lore in ME. Simply ****ting on it so you could have a super-action-shooter is very bad.

In ME2: Complete lack of knowledge of basic physics. They claim a lvl 4 charge can do the force of 800 newtons. Yet they fail at realizing that the force of 800 newtons is completely insignificant if done on an instance. If your weight is 80kg gravity on earth is constantly using a force of almost 800 newtons at keeping you on the ground.

In ME1: this is a bit blurry as well here, with the "pull" force pulling ppl away with a force of 1200 newtons at highest lvl. Well pushing some1's entire body with the force of 1200 newtons upwards and back WILL make a guy who is not prepared be thrown upwards and back, or at least pushed back. Depends on the mass (weight) of the target and on what kind of gravity enviroment it is. Another thing is that "charge" performs a force of 80 kg (800newton=almost 80kg on earth) on a target at once. It is not specified over how long the force of 1200 newton is applied on pull in ME1.

I also miss binary suns and solar systems in both games, but it isn't so serious as deliberately BSing.

I am sorry if this thread offends ME2 fanboys/people who would rather die than play 2 hours of ME1 or any other real RPG.

Anyone else notice that this game's harshest critics can barely communicate in English?  Coincidence?

[aaron baba]

Jonathan_Strange wrote...

Nikitn wrote...

First of all, YES. I know that bioware aren't scientists. But when they make wild claims in ME2 and spout noneseance data, they need to back this up. I do not like it when developers simply make up garbage and break established laws of physics & so on so that their game looks fancy for a 14 year old. Only conclusion I can draw from this is, that the team developing ME1 and ME2 were different ones.

I mean seriously, there are so many logical fails, breaking of laws of physics and so on in ME2 that it is amazing. Examples:

In ME2: The ridiculous notion that Earth size planets can form at the outer edge of a solar system, and even support a dense athmosphere. Impossible due 2 the fact that terrestial planets only form close to the sun for reasons I cba 2 explain (short version: in the beginning of a solar system, there is only dust around the star. The heavier material the dust is made of, the closer it is to the sun. If the material is light, it can be further away from the sun. this is due 2 gravity).

Hell, even if a terrestial planet on the size of earth somehow managed to form in the outer part of the solar system - I don't see how a super cold planet could support an athmosphere (we must also take into account that a planet needs a certain amount of metalls in its core to provide a magnetic field and thus protect its athmosphere). Look at Jupiter's moon Europa. Sure the Sun could be much larger (in terms of mass) and thus emit much more radiation than the sun - but in that case there simply would be more planets around the Sun as well from what I understand. The entire mass of the solar system would increase if the Sun's mass would increase. In ME1 we didn't have such noneseance.

In ME2: LOL people like Miranda and Jack can go out in space or ice-cold planets WITHOUT COVERING THEIR ENTIRE BODY WITH ISOLATING SUITS. I mean all they have is their normal clothes and an oxygen mask... lmao I don't even need to explain why this is retarded. In ME1 we didn't have such noneseance.

In ME2: In some planets it stands that you cannot breathe the air: But you still can land on them and not even use the breathing mask! In ME1 we didn't have such noneseance.

In ME2: Poorly desinged levels. For example, in Geth Heretics base you could find med packs.. rofl why would geth need med packs? In ME1 we didn't have such noneseance.

In ME2: Dumb, useless thermal clips. Even from a technological POW it is a step BACK from not using thermal clips (and it is funny how all weapons in the entire ME universe started using thermal clips in 2 years). I enjoyed the interesting lore in ME. Simply ****ting on it so you could have a super-action-shooter is very bad.

In ME2: Complete lack of knowledge of basic physics. They claim a lvl 4 charge can do the force of 800 newtons. Yet they fail at realizing that the force of 800 newtons is completely insignificant if done on an instance. If your weight is 80kg gravity on earth is constantly using a force of almost 800 newtons at keeping you on the ground.

In ME1: this is a bit blurry as well here, with the "pull" force pulling ppl away with a force of 1200 newtons at highest lvl. Well pushing some1's entire body with the force of 1200 newtons upwards and back WILL make a guy who is not prepared be thrown upwards and back, or at least pushed back. Depends on the mass (weight) of the target and on what kind of gravity enviroment it is. Another thing is that "charge" performs a force of 80 kg (800newton=almost 80kg on earth) on a target at once. It is not specified over how long the force of 1200 newton is applied on pull in ME1.

I also miss binary suns and solar systems in both games, but it isn't so serious as deliberately BSing.

I am sorry if this thread offends ME2 fanboys/people who would rather die than play 2 hours of ME1 or any other real RPG.

Anyone else notice that this game's harshest critics can barely communicate in English?  Coincidence?

Well played, sir.
lol

[LoweGear]

dcrypt wrote...

So what the OP is trying to tell us is he has autism and we should feel sorry for him.

I myself am diagnosed with autism, so I resent that statement.

Still, OP is making a very big fit out of nothing. Science Fiction has always been more about the fiction than the science, and people have been making stuff up to entertain people for millenia now. Mass Effect is a game, not a science journal - the science info is meant more to add meat to the story and entertain than to actually teach. Still, Bioware actually does a good job of providing plausibly realistic scientific info into even the smallest tech detail; most games don't even have codexes and stuff.

And rather die than play ME1? If it wasn't for the countless hours I've played ME1 I wouldn't have been interested enough to buy ME2 in the first place.

Modifié par LoweGear, 25 février 2010 - 02:05 .

[LF1M_Tank]

I'll feed the troll

I love how you use weight and mass so interchangeably while claiming BioWare have no understanding of basic physics. Weight != Mass, especially for the intents and purposes you seem to be using them in.

A mass of 80kg will indeed exert a force of approximately 800N, yet you realise that 800N would be considered the weight right? Weight is a measure of force, while mass is a measure of matter. F=ma or in this case w=mg. When you step on the scales, that's your weight, divide by 10 and you get your mass, again, approx. To put it in perspective, charge hitting for 800N is like saying being hitting with something weighing 800kg on Earth.

And in other words, Sir Issac Newton is the deadliest SoB in space.

[LF1M_Tank]

I'll feed the troll

And in other words, Sir Issac Newton is the deadliest SoB in space.

Modifié par LF1M_Tank, 25 février 2010 - 04:42 .

[RighteousRage]

I always thought the Newtons thing was weird haha, if anything, things like biotics should be measured in joules or something.

[C6541]

People that feed trolls (flaming, etc.) are just as bad as the trolls themselves.

[Laterali]

LF1M_Tank wrote...

And in other words, Sir Issac Newton is the deadliest SoB in space.

And yet another reason why Sir Isaac should be feared: Isaac Smash

[TJSolo]

It is called science fiction.
Meaning it is fiction mostly based within the laws of nature, maybe bending some laws to allow for the fictional part.
The science part is usually accurate to reality or some theoretical extremes.

Modifié par TJSolo, 25 février 2010 - 02:31 .

[SithLordExarKun]

Register your game. THEN come and whine. Funny how its always people that pirate the game that whine the loudest.

[EternalWolfe]

MrHimuraChan wrote...

Nikitn wrote...

A wall of  "science"

*snatches picture away*

Where did you get that?!  I - I just got up, yeah, and I was cooking - breakfast, yeah, that's right.

Nope, nothing out of the normal.  Just an everyday morning . . . no master plan to dominate the earth through science . . .

[Flash_in_the_flesh]

First you say that physics are unrealistic in ME2 and then you criticise ammo system? Yeah, infinite ammo is much better. Double standards eh?

Yeah, and 800N is insignificant? Try jumping from the roof. If you weigh 80kg you hit the ground with that force. But I bet that won't make an impression on you.

Modifié par Flash_in_the_flesh, 25 février 2010 - 02:42 .

[dubosedraken]

ok

[Xeranx]

SithLordExarKun wrote...

Register your game. THEN come and whine. Funny how its always people that pirate the game that whine the loudest.

Seriously, quit the bs accusations.  I hate how people constantly feel the need to belittle someone just because they didn't follow the crowd and register.  They don't have to and in case you didn't know it's called innocent until proven guilty.