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[Forest03]

Hey, does everyone here remember that nerd from the Simpsons, the chunky one with the glasses and curly red hair, and the stained white shirt with the word "Genius" on it?

Yeah...

But on a more serious note, I agree with a few points and can readily throw in several of my own. Sadly, this is all a case of aesthetics and marketing overriding any desire for common sense and logical game mechanics. I always wondered how the hell we can build an upgrade to completely eradicate any external trace of cybernetic implants and reconstruction on Shepard's face, but we can't get something so simple as a medigel refilling station.. IN A MEDICAL BAY!

But anyways.

Don't let the sheer stupidity of some elements detract from what's overall a decent game. I've ranted via essay-length posts about the ridiculously lame and shallow narrative and the mind-boggling plot holes they gave us in ME2; but I don't let that keep me from enjoying the gameplay. And yes, there's always ME1.

Modifié par Forest03, 25 février 2010 - 02:48 .

[Daveastation]

THIS IS AN OUTRAGE!

[TJSolo]

SithLordExarKun wrote...

Register your game. THEN come and whine. Funny how its always people that pirate the game that whine the loudest.

Prove it.
Unless your logic just extends far enough to attacking the person.
Surely you could try to defend or reason some of the points the OP has.
Stop going around making no contributions other than trolls and attacks on people.
You never heard of getting a used copy, rewards1, borrowing, renting, or anyother way that wouldnt allow registration.


Me on the other hand, I am just lazy and don't feel like punching in my UPC.

[finnithe]

Captain Cornhole wrote...

THE COUNCIL WOULD STEP IN IF THE GETH ATTACKED A TURIAN COLONY!

YOU DON'T GET TO MAKE DEMANDS OF THE COUNCIL, AMBASSADOR!

[FataliTensei]

Nikitn wrote...

First of all, YES. I know that bioware aren't scientists. But when they make wild claims in ME2 and spout noneseance data, they need to back this up. I do not like it when developers simply make up garbage and break established laws of physics & so on so that their game looks fancy for a 14 year old. Only conclusion I can draw from this is, that the team developing ME1 and ME2 were different ones.

I mean seriously, there are so many logical fails, breaking of laws of physics and so on in ME2 that it is amazing. Examples:

In ME2: The ridiculous notion that Earth size planets can form at the outer edge of a solar system, and even support a dense athmosphere. Impossible due 2 the fact that terrestial planets only form close to the sun for reasons I cba 2 explain (short version: in the beginning of a solar system, there is only dust around the star. The heavier material the dust is made of, the closer it is to the sun. If the material is light, it can be further away from the sun. this is due 2 gravity).

Hell, even if a terrestial planet on the size of earth somehow managed to form in the outer part of the solar system - I don't see how a super cold planet could support an athmosphere (we must also take into account that a planet needs a certain amount of metalls in its core to provide a magnetic field and thus protect its athmosphere). Look at Jupiter's moon Europa. Sure the Sun could be much larger (in terms of mass) and thus emit much more radiation than the sun - but in that case there simply would be more planets around the Sun as well from what I understand. The entire mass of the solar system would increase if the Sun's mass would increase. In ME1 we didn't have such noneseance.

In ME2: LOL people like Miranda and Jack can go out in space or ice-cold planets WITHOUT COVERING THEIR ENTIRE BODY WITH ISOLATING SUITS. I mean all they have is their normal clothes and an oxygen mask... lmao I don't even need to explain why this is retarded. In ME1 we didn't have such noneseance.

In ME2: In some planets it stands that you cannot breathe the air: But you still can land on them and not even use the breathing mask! In ME1 we didn't have such noneseance.

In ME2: Poorly desinged levels. For example, in Geth Heretics base you could find med packs.. rofl why would geth need med packs? In ME1 we didn't have such noneseance.

In ME2: Dumb, useless thermal clips. Even from a technological POW it is a step BACK from not using thermal clips (and it is funny how all weapons in the entire ME universe started using thermal clips in 2 years). I enjoyed the interesting lore in ME. Simply ****ting on it so you could have a super-action-shooter is very bad.

In ME2: Complete lack of knowledge of basic physics. They claim a lvl 4 charge can do the force of 800 newtons. Yet they fail at realizing that the force of 800 newtons is completely insignificant if done on an instance. If your weight is 80kg gravity on earth is constantly using a force of almost 800 newtons at keeping you on the ground.

In ME1: this is a bit blurry as well here, with the "pull" force pulling ppl away with a force of 1200 newtons at highest lvl. Well pushing some1's entire body with the force of 1200 newtons upwards and back WILL make a guy who is not prepared be thrown upwards and back, or at least pushed back. Depends on the mass (weight) of the target and on what kind of gravity enviroment it is. Another thing is that "charge" performs a force of 80 kg (800newton=almost 80kg on earth) on a target at once. It is not specified over how long the force of 1200 newton is applied on pull in ME1.

I also miss binary suns and solar systems in both games, but it isn't so serious as deliberately BSing.

I am sorry if this thread offends ME2 fanboys/people who would rather die than play 2 hours of ME1 or any other real RPG.

I agree with these points

[mnrqz]

 Guyz i herded dat sci-fi pew pew games iz srs bsns.

[TJSolo]

ivan.inverse wrote...

If you're going to act smart, write like you're smart.

Idiot.

Didn't you make a thread about the instability issues that could come from firing a cannon attached to a hover vehicle?
You should have more input to this thread than a random insult.

Spelling and grammar do not imply inteligence or the lack thereof.

[RighteousRage]

Flash_in_the_flesh wrote...

First you say that physics are unrealistic in ME2 and then you criticise ammo system? Yeah, infinite ammo is much better. Double standards eh?

Yeah, and 800N is insignificant? Try jumping from the roof. If you weigh 80kg you hit the ground with that force. But I bet that won't make an impression on you.

Haha, so what? I could jump from my roof and land on my feet no problem, and I weigh 80 kg. I could probably even catch something 80 kg that was falling from my roof without being launched 50 feet across the property.

The forces or work that are actually seen in the game should be like 20+ times greater than the ones listed in the stats. Keep in mind force = mass * acceleration, not velocity, which would make the whole thing make a lot more sense. If we were talking an 80 kg mass moving 10 m/s, that would be something different entirely, but the truth is that in your example it's just 80 kg times acceleration which is 9.8 m/s^2. In other words, when I stand up, I am basically exerting that force that you think is so huge, yet I'm not being launched into the air in comical fashion.

[Patrickblah]

i agree on the thermal clips they should have had a combined system where after a while they recharge

[Shinji Ex]

Err it's science fiction! you don't have to be realistic! if Shepard can fly in the air like superman so be it!

[Maaaahty]

Hang so if all this is 'nonseance', we won't be attempting to commune with the dead then?

Huh.

[BatarianBob]

You made some valid points.  Like these:

Nikitn wrote...

In ME2: LOL people like Miranda and Jack can go out in space or ice-cold planets WITHOUT COVERING THEIR ENTIRE BODY WITH ISOLATING SUITS. I mean all they have is their normal clothes and an oxygen mask... lmao I don't even need to explain why this is retarded. In ME1 we didn't have such noneseance.

In ME2: In some planets it stands that you cannot breathe the air: But you still can land on them and not even use the breathing mask! In ME1 we didn't have such noneseance.

Inexcusable, even for sci-fi.

But you pretty much cancel out any valid points you might have made when you bring up this:

In ME2: Dumb, useless thermal clips. Even from a technological POW it is a step BACK from not using thermal clips (and it is funny how all weapons in the entire ME universe started using thermal clips in 2 years). I enjoyed the interesting lore in ME. Simply ****ting on it so you could have a super-action-shooter is very bad.

Awwww.  You poor baby.  Did those mean Bioware people take away your favorite "I win" button?  How terrible of them to make you aim instead of just spraying wildly until you hit something.

[RighteousRage]

Non-shawnce

[TJSolo]

Shinji Ex wrote...

Err it's science fiction! you don't have to be realistic! if Shepard can fly in the air like superman so be it!

But Superman doesn't inexplicably fly in the air. The world Superman lives in is governed my realistic laws of nature, with explanations why Superman can do what he can and why everyone else can not.

Sci-fi is based on real world science with some twists or exaggerations to explain  non-realistic powers and/or technology.

[Varenus Luckmann]

SpockLives wrote...
If you can't spell "to" instead of using "2," I'm not reading the rest of your argument.

Funny, that's exactly how far I read the thread, too!

[forgottensun]

A wizard did it all, with magic.



/thread

[thegreateski]

There is a lack of "act smart" in this thread.

[thegreateski]

MrHimuraChan wrote...

finnithe wrote...

Captain Cornhole wrote...

THE COUNCIL WOULD STEP IN IF THE GETH ATTACKED A TURIAN COLONY!

YOU DON'T GET TO MAKE DEMANDS OF THE COUNCIL, AMBASSADOR!

ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL   (Oo_oO)

LIKE MOST ORGANICS I AM AN IDIOT. *Turian councilor punches himself in the face* I KNOW THIS HURTS ME.

[LF1M_Tank]

RighteousRage wrote...


Haha, so what? I could jump from my roof and land on my feet no problem, and I weigh 80 kg. I could probably even catch something 80 kg that was falling from my roof without being launched 50 feet across the property.

The forces or work that are actually seen in the game should be like 20+ times greater than the ones listed in the stats. Keep in mind force = mass * acceleration, not velocity, which would make the whole thing make a lot more sense. If we were talking an 80 kg mass moving 10 m/s, that would be something different entirely, but the truth is that in your example it's just 80 kg times acceleration which is 9.8 m/s^2. In other words, when I stand up, I am basically exerting that force that you think is so huge, yet I'm not being launched into the air in comical fashion.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're just mis-informed with physics. Re-read what you've been reading on wikipedia.

Modifié par LF1M_Tank, 25 février 2010 - 04:27 .

[Kane Redron]

thegreateski wrote...

There is a lack of "act smart" in this thread.

<img src="http://imgs.xkcd.com/store/imgs/stand_back_square_0.png"/>

Modifié par Kane Redron, 25 février 2010 - 04:01 .

[Cross1280]

The one thing I remember from college was the first day of Physics class when the Prof. walked in held up the text book and said All of these Laws of Physics I will be teaching you are only laws until someone proves them to be false. Now as ME is set about 170ish years from now I am sure that someone during that time is going to ****** in the OP's cheerios and prove all the current laws of physics are wrong.

[erik212]

It's not like we know everything about physics. IE Pioneer Anomaly



Also, if you want to debate this series' physics, the Mass Effect itself is completely impossible (according to what we know now), and its the basis of the game.