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[Lucy Glitter]

OP: You have a good argument there, but in the end it is fictional, even when the sci-fi genre does attempt to ground their lore in modern day science.



Ah, well.

[challenger18]

seance?



What native language do you speak where you believe "sense" is pronounced "sea ants"?

[AngryFrozenWater]

SpockLives wrote...

If you can't spell "to" instead of using "2," I'm not reading the rest of your argument.

Another grammar ****. You know that throwing dirt at someone doesn't make his/her arguments less valid, don't you?

[Nyaore]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

SpockLives wrote...

If you can't spell "to" instead of using "2," I'm not reading the rest of your argument.

Another grammar ****. You know that throwing dirt at someone doesn't make his/her arguments less valid, don't you?

Except when several people have already pointed out that their arguments are based upon faulty data and aren't based in the realm of reality. Me thinks attacks on their grammar are the least of their worries.

[TJSolo]

Yes you did make the accusation first.

Your statements first were to tell the OP to register his game, then he has the right to whine and the final statement was that pirates tend to whine the loudest.



By saying the OP has not registered the game, that you think he is whining, and that you think pirates whine the loudest. One could deduce you have called the OP a whiny pirate if one followed the aim of your statements.



Your statement saying someone needs to register their copy of the game before commenting on it is inaccurate as there are many venues where people can play this game and not own it. They will still have valid opinions.

Not owning the game or not registering it doesn't negate a players opinion, if they in fact played it.

[Lucy Glitter]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

SpockLives wrote...

If you can't spell "to" instead of using "2," I'm not reading the rest of your argument.

Another grammar ****. You know that throwing dirt at someone doesn't make his/her arguments less valid, don't you?

Lol, that and the fact that the guy knows his ****. His argument is perfectly valid, he just couldn't be bothered to spell properly on the internet. Oh mai gawt! Ring de alarms!

Well, either that or he has dyslexia. Still doesn't make his argument stupid.

[AngryFrozenWater]

Nyaore wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

SpockLives wrote...

If you can't spell "to" instead of using "2," I'm not reading the rest of your argument.

Another grammar ****. You know that throwing dirt at someone doesn't make his/her arguments less valid, don't you?

Except when several people have already pointed out that their arguments are based upon faulty data and aren't based in the realm of reality. Me thinks attacks on their grammar are the least of their worries.

Of course I have read that. It was simpler if Mr Spock just pointed out what was wrong with the OP. But he didn't. And that is how the fans operate on this forum. They don't try to argue, they just throw dirt.

[TJSolo]

Nyaore wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

SpockLives wrote...

If you can't spell "to" instead of using "2," I'm not reading the rest of your argument.

Another grammar ****. You know that throwing dirt at someone doesn't make his/her arguments less valid, don't you?

Except when several people have already pointed out that their arguments are based upon faulty data and aren't based in the realm of reality. Me thinks attacks on their grammar are the least of their worries.

Again I will point out, that Sci Fi is based on the rules of reality for the most part.
Only endulging on some bits to create the fiction part.
The codex is what supports and creates the realism of science in ME universe.
Not all the OPs points are game breaking, none of them are really but still true that ME2 has broken serveral scientific laws ME1 did not.

[baller7345]

Just because a large majority of the stuff you mentioned is considered false with today's knowledge doesn't mean that it can't be possible. There is so much stuff out there that we can't even begin to explain properly so while it doesn't make sense with current scientific wisdom it doesn't mean its impossible. We have only seen a very very small portion of the universe and the laws of physics are constantly broken on a subatomic scale so there is no reason that somewhere out there that it couldn't happen. Come on its science fiction its supposed to stretch the truth and show us what could or what we would want there to actually be.



Though some of the stuff like Miranda's "space suit" is kinda annoying

[Godeshus]

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In ME2: The ridiculous notion that Earth size planets can form at the outer edge of a solar system, and even support a dense athmosphere. Impossible due 2 the fact that terrestial planets only form close to the sun for reasons I cba 2 explain (short version: in the beginning of a solar system, there is only dust around the star. The heavier material the dust is made of, the closer it is to the sun. If the material is light, it can be further away from the sun. this is due 2 gravity).
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Earth sized planets with iron cores can form anywhere in a solar system. Star systems are formed from the remnants of supernovas, and the elements from the blast can be blown in any directions. All of the planets we've discovered in other systems have been gas giants, most orbiting extremely close to their star.

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Hell, even if a terrestial planet on the size of earth somehow managed to form in the outer part of the solar system - I don't see how a super cold planet could support an athmosphere (we must also take into account that a planet needs a certain amount of metalls in its core to provide a magnetic field and thus protect its athmosphere). Look at Jupiter's moon Europa. Sure the Sun could be much larger (in terms of mass) and thus emit much more radiation than the sun - but in that case there simply would be more planets around the Sun as well from what I understand. The entire mass of the solar system would increase if the Sun's mass would increase. In ME1 we didn't have such noneseance.
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Titan, One of Saturn's moons, is so cold that it rains methane. It has lakes and rivers made of methane also. It has a crap load of water ice, so cold it is as hard as rock. It also has an atmosphere thicker than earth's, and an Iron core. It has geological formations caused by erosion. It looks almost exactly like the geology on earth, only caused by different factors.

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In ME2: LOL people like Miranda and Jack can go out in space or ice-cold planets WITHOUT COVERING THEIR ENTIRE BODY WITH ISOLATING SUITS. I mean all they have is their normal clothes and an oxygen mask... lmao I don't even need to explain why this is retarded. In ME1 we didn't have such noneseance. 
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They have mass effect shields.
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In ME2: In some planets it stands that you cannot breathe the air: But you still can land on them and not even use the breathing mask! In ME1 we didn't have such noneseance.

[/quote]
They have mass effect shields

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In ME2: Poorly desinged levels. For example, in Geth Heretics base you could find med packs.. rofl why would geth need med packs? In ME1 we didn't have such noneseance.
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Wrong. There were geth installations with medi gel all over the place

[quote]
In ME2: Dumb, useless thermal clips. Even from a technological POW it is a step BACK from not using thermal clips (and it is funny how all weapons in the entire ME universe started using thermal clips in 2 years). I enjoyed the interesting lore in ME. Simply ****ting on it so you could have a super-action-shooter is very bad.
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Nothing wrong with thermal clips. The idea is very fascinating, and I would recommend Halliburton start researching this so we can have a chance against the Chinese when they finally decide to take over the universe

[quote]
In ME2: Complete lack of knowledge of basic physics. They claim a lvl 4 charge can do the force of 800 newtons. Yet they fail at realizing that the force of 800 newtons is completely insignificant if done on an instance. If your weight is 80kg gravity on earth is constantly using a force of almost 800 newtons at keeping you on the ground. 
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If I punch you in the face with the same force that holds you down to the ground, you will go for a helluva ride.

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In ME1: this is a bit blurry as well here, with the "pull" force pulling ppl away with a force of 1200 newtons at highest lvl. Well pushing some1's entire body with the force of 1200 newtons upwards and back WILL make a guy who is not prepared be thrown upwards and back, or at least pushed back. Depends on the mass (weight) of the target and on what kind of gravity enviroment it is. Another thing is that "charge" performs a force of 80 kg (800newton=almost 80kg on earth) on a target at once. It is not specified over how long the force of 1200 newton is applied on pull in ME1. 
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Mass has absolutely NOTHING to do with weight. In space you are weightless, but your mass stays the same.

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I also miss binary suns and solar systems in both games, but it isn't so serious as deliberately BSing. 
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You should explore the universe a little.

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[...] In ME1 we didn't have such noneseance.
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It's nonsense, not noneseance. 

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I am sorry if this thread offends ME2 fanboys/people who would rather die than play 2 hours of ME1 or any other real RPG.
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You did not offend me. The only thing you did is make yourself look stupid.  


-godeshus

Modifié par Godeshus, 25 février 2010 - 07:28 .

[TJSolo]

"They have mass effect shields."



The shields are not environmental protection shields or temperature shields.

In ME1 and ME2 there have been environmental reasons for the shields to go down. The difference being ME1 characters are still in a protective suit while several ME2 characters have many body parts fully exposed.

[SithLordExarKun]

TJSolo wrote...

Yes you did make the accusation first.

Prove that i did.

TJSolo wrote...
Your statements first were to tell the OP to register his game,

Which means absolute squat honestly. Wheres the harm in telling him to register the game? How is this an accusation that he is a pirate? You keep dodging these questions.

TJSolo wrote...
then he has the right to whine and the final statement was that pirates tend to whine the loudest.

Right because telling him to register the game means i am  calling him a pirate.
Wonderful logic.


Where did i state that "register your game, then you can whine"? I'll answer for you: i didn't. 
Telling him to register his game meant absolute squat friend.

TJSolo wrote...
By saying the OP has not registered the game, that you think he is whining, and that you think pirates whine the loudest. One could deduce you have called the OP a whiny pirate if one followed the aim of your statements.

  No. Thinking that he is whining is completely different from thinking pirates whine the loudest. Theres a difference, learn that there is a difference.

Then again, prove that i called him a pirate. Prove up or simply shut up and you have yet to do either but constantly attack(funny how you accuse me of being a troll) and accuse me of a position i did not make.

TJSolo wrote...
Your statement saying someone needs to register their copy of the game before commenting

Now nowhere did i say "Please register your game, because if you don't, you don't have the right to whine".

First you accuse me of calling him a pirate, now you are accusing me of something else which is telling him he doesn't have the right to whine unless he registers the game, whats next mr police of the forum?

TJSolo wrote...
on it is inaccurate as there are many venues where people can play this game and not own it.
They will still have valid opinions.
Not owning the game or not registering it doesn't negate a players opinion, if they in fact played it.

For the last time quit with your strawman arguments and stop attacking a position i never made.
I never said his opinion wasn't valid just because i asked him to register the game, how does that imply his opinion is invalid?

Its adorable how you constantly tell me that i am making claims without backing them up when you are the one making claims without proof.

[TJSolo]

SithLordExarKun wrote...

Register your game. THEN come and whine. Funny how its always people that pirate the game that whine the loudest.

I bolded the bit you seem to have forgotten.
Your string of statements and your tone, it appears to be the conclusion you are alluding to if not directly stating it.

Modifié par TJSolo, 25 février 2010 - 07:41 .

[SithLordExarKun]

TJSolo wrote...

SithLordExarKun wrote...

Register your game. THEN come and whine. Funny how its always people that pirate the game that whine the loudest.

I bolded the bit you seem to have forgotten.
Your string of statements and your tone, it appears to be the conclusion you are alluding to if not directly stating it.

Still doesn't prove i accused him of pirating the game. Prove that.

I think i  understand, you couldn't prove that i actually accused him of being a pirate, so you then accuse and attack me because of something else which i, apparantly made a mistake and thought i never made that particular statement which is claiming that his statements aren't valid until he registers his game. You got me there, good job on that mr forum police.

Maybe you would like to know the real reason i think his opinions are invalid?

Modifié par SithLordExarKun, 25 février 2010 - 07:50 .

[Icinix]

Dear Op,

I found your post interesting.  However, I do believe you left out one seriously huge mistake.

BioWare failed to create the future that we're really going to have.  So they shouldn't have even tried.

In fact, they should never make any games based on Fantasy or Science Ficiton again. HERE THAT BIOWARE? Create boring but REAL games. That would make everyone Sooo happy.

Love
Icinix

Modifié par Icinix, 25 février 2010 - 08:00 .

[Godeshus]

SithLordExarKun wrote...

Register your game. THEN come and whine. Funny how its always people that pirate the game that whine the loudest.

Why assume that someone who hasn't registered is a pirate?

-godeshus

[baller7345]

SithLordExarKun wrote...

TJSolo wrote...

SithLordExarKun wrote...

Register your game. THEN come and whine. Funny how its always people that pirate the game that whine the loudest.

I bolded the bit you seem to have forgotten.
Your string of statements and your tone, it appears to be the conclusion you are alluding to if not directly stating it.

Still doesn't prove i accused him of pirating the game. Prove that.

I think i  understand, you couldn't prove that i actually accused him of being a pirate, so you then accuse and attack me because of something else which i, apparantly made a mistake and thought i never made that particular statement which is claiming that his statements aren't valid until he registers his game. You got me there, good job on that mr forum police.

Maybe you would like to know the real reason i think his opinions are invalid?

I'm sorry but can you read your own statement....I don't think I've ever seen a case of denial quite this bad.  I don't like to jump into arguments but honestly you absolutely stun me with how much you are into believing your own opinons are superior to everyone.

Feel free to hate...but you have made my day with the most ignorant quote of the year...CONGRATS ITS ONLY FEBURARY.

[SithLordExarKun]

Godeshus wrote...

SithLordExarKun wrote...

Register your game. THEN come and whine. Funny how its always people that pirate the game that whine the loudest.

Why assume that someone who hasn't registered is a pirate?

-godeshus

Good lord. Let me make this clearer. I suspect he is a pirate(seeing one guy who created a thread similar to this didn't register the game and admitted to pirating the game before he got banned), i didn't accuse him of being a pirate, i just suspect him of being one.

[Inquisitor Recon]

Sigh... Why don't we start complaining about a lack of realism in Dragon Age next? After all some scientific theory says those amounts of lyrium consumption are IMPOSSIBLE!!!



Like an action movie where a post-office truck explodes like it's loaded with 100 pounds of C4, you need to simply not care about some things.



Oh and regarding game registration, because my Xbox Live Account is linked to some outdated EA account and I can't get somebody to fix it, I don't have ME2 registered to this account. Don't presume everybody is a pirate, unless they are from Somalia.

[Andorfiend]

I haven't read the whole thread, but I do have two things to say.

1. Sense is a word. Seance is a word. They are not synonyms. They do in fact have almost opposite meanings.

2. Fiction gets a lot of leeway, but if the characters are going out into space without a suit and not dying within 30 seconds then it stops being science fiction and becomes fantasy with SF trappings. You know, like Star Wars.

Modifié par Andorfiend, 25 février 2010 - 08:01 .

[SithLordExarKun]

baller7345 wrote...


I'm sorry but can you read your own statement....I don't think I've ever seen a case of denial quite this bad. 

You must not get around much then, there are far far worse cases of denial in this world. One prime example is north korea.

This "denial" and "internet fight" is merely a small and trival matter. Just because i kept responding to one guy and didn't like his tone and vice versa doesn't mean my blood is boiling over this issue.

baller7345 wrote...
I don't like to jump into arguments but honestly you absolutely stun me with how much you are into believing your own opinons are superior to everyone.

Feel free to hate...but you have made my day with the most ignorant quote of the year...CONGRATS ITS ONLY FEBURARY.

I never even stated my opinons... but go ahead, keep bashing.

[Icinix]

Andorfiend wrote...

 You know, like Star Wars.

Please god do not go there.
I used to be a fan...
Then episode one came.

[TornadoADV]

He has points, if only I didn't have to almost use babelfish to understand him.

[Icinix]

SithLordExarKun : How do you keep getting yourselves into these things? :-p

[Godeshus]

SithLordExarKun wrote...

Register your game. THEN come and whine. Funny how its always people that pirate the game that whine the loudest.

I underlined the keyword. You made a statement, got challenged on it, and can't defend yourself, so now you're denying it. 

This is the internet. If you're going to make an aggressive post, you'd better expect to be challenged.

-godeshus