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[Massadonious1]

Vena_86 wrote...

I hope I can ride a dragon through a sun and summon skelletons in ME3, because hey...its just Science Fiction...

Riding a dragon (fantasy staple) through a sun and summoning skeletons (dark fantasy/fantasy staple) would just be flat out unbelievable.

Having skin exposed to a vaccum is just nitpicking.

Besides, most of what is being complained about is based on current science. Who's to say they haven't refined things....170 years from now.

[KoRnAh]

Oh FFS, IT'S A FREAKING GAME DUDE.

Sci-Fi GAME

GAME

GAME

GAME

GAME

IT'S

A

GAME.

There's no need for you to come with that smart-a** attitued and talk crap about the people who made the game....

Say again... it's a freaking Sci-Fi game, just like the first people to post here said..... just... a... GAME.

Why do people always have to be such jerks..? =/

Peace.

[LoweGear]

Vena_86 wrote...

Science Fiction doesn't mean that its fantasy with magic and trolls. Sci Fi usually means some sort of believeable science working in the background.

Do not mistake "believable" for "realistic" though. Science Fiction can be believable without being realistic and vice versa: for example, had you told someone last century that we can see and communicate with each other even if we're 10,000 kilometers apart they would've thought it unbelievable, and yet it's the reality we live in today. On the flip side, people actually believe that any bullet shot through a gas tank can guarantee making a car explode, despite the incredibly slim odds of that happening in reality unless the proper conditions are met. Also, the earliest science fiction stories didn't even rely on actual science at all for storytelling: do you find War of the World's depiction of tripods "believable"?

The only real difference between fantasy and science fiction is that the latter at least makes an attempt to explain the background workings of its universe using science and mechanics, and even then many recent fantasy stories have started making similar attempts at such. In the famous words of sci-fi writer Arthur C. Clarke, "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.".

Modifié par LoweGear, 25 février 2010 - 10:40 .

[sasheron]

Sci-fi has a 'sci' in it for a reason. It started out as a genre for scientifically-aware authors to explore somewhat plausible visions of the world and the future. As all fiction, it is supposed to immerse the reader and make her or him believe in such a world. When jags such as FTL come up, they take away from this immersion. When sci-fi becomes fantasy poorly pasted over with a futiristic pastiche it no longer belongs in the genre.

However, that is not to say that such 'pretend' sci-fi can't be enjoyable. The whole space Western genre falls into this category. I can cringe a little while watching Firefly, but I will forget all of that when I get to see Dr Simon Tam shirtless. I am not such a purist that I would not suspend disbelief. However, I do not count hard sci-fi and stuff like Mass Effect to be in the same genre. That doesn't mean that I can't enjoy messing every bastard I see with biotics. WOO

edit: Near-simultaneous post. Huh.

Modifié par sasheron, 25 février 2010 - 10:45 .

[TJSolo]

KoRnAh stating over and over is a game is unneeded as everyone here should be well aware of that fact.

It doesn't grant it creative grace to ignore rules that were so adhered to in the first edition.



And mass effect fields like barrier do not protect against environmental hazards.

[AlbertoAquilani]

Honestly, I think this is about the worst thread I've ever read on this forum. Good job, OP. I didn't think it could be done, but you did it.

[Flash_in_the_flesh]

RighteousRage wrote...

Flash_in_the_flesh wrote...

First you say that physics are unrealistic in ME2 and then you criticise ammo system? Yeah, infinite ammo is much better. Double standards eh?

Yeah, and 800N is insignificant? Try jumping from the roof. If you weigh 80kg you hit the ground with that force. But I bet that won't make an impression on you.

Haha, so what? I could jump from my roof and land on my feet no problem, and I weigh 80 kg. I could probably even catch something 80 kg that was falling from my roof without being launched 50 feet across the property.

The forces or work that are actually seen in the game should be like 20+ times greater than the ones listed in the stats. Keep in mind force = mass * acceleration, not velocity, which would make the whole thing make a lot more sense. If we were talking an 80 kg mass moving 10 m/s, that would be something different entirely, but the truth is that in your example it's just 80 kg times acceleration which is 9.8 m/s^2. In other words, when I stand up, I am basically exerting that force that you think is so huge, yet I'm not being launched into the air in comical fashion.

Exactly. You see a problem here? The problem is your interpretation. You can nitpick everything like this. You can jump from the roof and land safely on your feet, or you can break your legs, spine, suffer internal injuries and die. If velocity isn't specified it doesn't mean it's low. Could be anything. Could be 100km/h. You see how fast throw projectile is flying? That projectile weigh 50-120kg with g acceleration.

Try looking on it objectively, not the way that suit your needs. Yes, it can be harmless. Yes, it can be deadly too.

[sasheron]

This is the worst thread ever. EVER.

[ThePatriot101]

sasheron wrote...

This is the worst thread ever. EVER.

Not entirely the worst but certainly no better.

I call for a closing of this topic.

[Nikitn]

aaron baba wrote...

As everyone has pointed out: it's a science fiction game.
Science...fiction.

If i wanted to play a game that gets the laws of physics and other common knowledge right i WOULD NOT play games in the first place.

You make a valid point. Yes, there are many hiccups and errors Bioware made in terms of the science being realistic. But Bioware doesn't seem too interested in making a game that's 100% true in the category of science and physics. Besides, games that do that are incredibly boring.

Also, i suggest you learn to spell before you tell Bioware they should learn how to do physics.

Yes, true. But all I am saying: either DO NOT MENTION any scientific data (HL, HL2 HL2 EP 1 etc), or make damn sure that the data you do mention is correct. I mean, they were trying to act smart here, and failed.

[Nikitn]

tommythetomcat wrote...

Sentient Machines that are millions of years old that destroy civilization every 50,000 years to make babies is a scientific fact.

Nothing unrealistic at all here. Technology can be variable. Established laws of physics never change

[Nikitn]

LF1M_Tank wrote...

I'll feed the troll

I love how you use weight and mass so interchangeably while claiming BioWare have no understanding of basic physics. Weight != Mass, especially for the intents and purposes you seem to be using them in.

A mass of 80kg will indeed exert a force of approximately 800N, yet you realise that 800N would be considered the weight right? Weight is a measure of force, while mass is a measure of matter. F=ma or in this case w=mg. When you step on the scales, that's your weight, divide by 10 and you get your mass, again, approx. To put it in perspective, charge hitting for 800N is like saying being hitting with something weighing 800kg on Earth.

And in other words, Sir Issac Newton is the deadliest SoB in space.

lol what a bunch of spam. nice try tho.

I'm no master in physics, but even a beginner can see ur just a troll

[Nikitn]

Captain Cornhole wrote...

Actually I am takeing a AP Physics class at my school and over half the stuff the OP said is false or incorrect especially regaurding planet placement and Newtons. Most of the counter arguments are long and quite boreing so i won't post them. That said only problem I have is with the breath masks.


But it's a videogame, grow a pair and get over it.


So in the famous words of Henry Freeman and his Mom...

Henry: "mom why are Combines here"

Henry Freeman's Mom: "Henry Freeman Combines are from science and outter space and hate humens."


NOTE THE SICENCE!!!

i wasnt incorrect in what i said. also it is a well known fact that heavier elements (like metals) stay closer to the star due 2 gravity in the initial phase of star birth. Lighet ones can drift away (helium, hydrogen) easily. Its not a coincidence that all the terrestial planets are fairly close 2 our sun. I hope this is more understandable.

Dunno what is wrong with newtons their pretty basic

[Naughty Bear]

Nikitn do you by any chance play Modern Warfare 2?

Omfg he just respawned!?! What bull**** is this!! WTF! He has p3rkz!? N0t P0221bl3!!one1

Oh and Mass Effect 1 and 2 are video games not a science lesson. We play Mass Effect because it is fun not because it contains educational stuff in it. Apart from you so it seems.

Modifié par Naughty Bear, 25 février 2010 - 01:00 .

[Nikitn]

Flash_in_the_flesh wrote...

First you say that physics are unrealistic in ME2 and then you criticise ammo system? Yeah, infinite ammo is much better. Double standards eh?

Yeah, and 800N is insignificant? Try jumping from the roof. If you weigh 80kg you hit the ground with that force. But I bet that won't make an impression on you.

lol.. it is my acceleration and speed which would affect the force i would experience when hitting the ground. If you push (or pull?) some guy away with your two hands, you do a force likely much more than 800n

anyway i gtg now, nice debunking some posts. Keep on hating you guys.

erik212 wrote...

It's not like we know everything about physics. IE Pioneer Anomaly

Also,
if you want to debate this series' physics, the Mass Effect itself is
completely impossible (according to what we know now), and its the
basis of the game.

Hey come on man, as you said we don't know
certain things, like this substance element zero. I heard it has
something 2 do with dark energy, and we don't know anything about that.

Modifié par Nikitn, 25 février 2010 - 01:11 .

[Your Synthetic Superior]

Nobody cares about realism, you dork.

[Naughty Bear]

Your Synthetic Superior wrote...

Nobody cares about realism, you dork.

Lol!

[Zulu_DFA]

Nikitn wrote...
... lots of complaining...

I am sorry if this thread offends ME2 fanboys/people who would rather die than play 2 hours of ME1 or any other real RPG.

Man, you're totally right. If it is a sci-fi game it should be based on sci-fi. It isn't. Because BioWare decided it that way. Yes, they fired half the crew of ME1. Writers' department took a major hit. They made a good francise, now they are going to capitalize on it. Earn freaking bucks. Bucks are evenly dispersed among people who give a crap about what vacuum does to exposed skin, and those who don't. Most people don't.

Suck it up, marine, and move on.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 25 février 2010 - 01:12 .

[Naughty Bear]

It is Bioware's universe after all. Not yours Nitkitn.

[SithLordExarKun]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...


It is absolutely clear what you did. You can try to deny what you wrote, but that doesn't make it true. It only does one thing: It makes you appear to want to win arguments. No matter what.

I don't need another person to yet again tell me this. Is there a point you are trying to bring across or are you just trying to bait me?

If anything, do what i do. Move along and stay on topic.

Naughty Bear wrote...

It is Bioware's universe after all.
Not yours Nitkitn.

Igore this guy, i remember the name. This guy is a troll.

Modifié par SithLordExarKun, 25 février 2010 - 01:23 .

[LuPoM]

I just wanted to reply to those 3 of your concerns since the others (for me atleast) relies completely in the SCi-Fi which  leaves freedom to the writers.

*WARNINGS! MIGHT CONTAIN SPOILERS!*

Nikitn wrote...

1) In ME2: Poorly desinged levels. For example, in Geth Heretics base you could find med packs.. rofl why would geth need med packs? In ME1 we didn't have such noneseance.

2) In ME2: Complete lack of knowledge of basic physics. They claim a lvl 4 charge can do the force of 800 newtons. Yet they fail at realizing that the force of 800 newtons is completely insignificant if done on an instance. If your weight is 80kg gravity on earth is constantly using a force of almost 800 newtons at keeping you on the ground.

In ME1: this is a bit blurry as well here, with the "pull" force pulling ppl away with a force of 1200 newtons at highest lvl. Well pushing some1's entire body with the force of 1200 newtons upwards and back WILL make a guy who is not prepared be thrown upwards and back, or at least pushed back. Depends on the mass (weight) of the target and on what kind of gravity enviroment it is. Another thing is that "charge" performs a force of 80 kg (800newton=almost 80kg on earth) on a target at once. It is not specified over how long the force of 1200 newton is applied on pull in ME1.

3) I also miss binary suns and solar systems in both games, but it isn't so serious as deliberately BSing.

I am sorry if this thread offends ME2 fanboys/people who would rather die than play 2 hours of ME1 or any other real RPG.

1) Did you realized (by talking, reading and getting informed) that it's a former Quarian Space Station? And that the Heretics Geth just modified what they needed to modify? Once you realize that, it's completely logical to find med packs lying around.

2) They've been somehow vague, I can understand that, it's all part of the SCi-Fi freedom, but what IF the force they refer to does not rely up to the gravity/mass (as the science tells) but it's a force value considering the mass/gravity of the object they impact as *standard* (or equal to 0 or 1)? What kind of force would then be in that case? There are some scientific flaws but we end up the same in the SCi-Fi area.

3) Did you missed the system where the Flottilla is stationed? You probably did since IT IS A BINARY SOLAR SYSTEM! (and I have to say that the stars are quite big! you should be blind to not notice them!)

I appreciate your willing to express your point of view but, next time, try to be less narrow-minded, get to know the game better and THEN talk
As for me, even with all that stuff, this remains still one of the best game masterpieces ever created!

[Zulu_DFA]

LuPoM wrote...

1) Did you realized (by talking, reading and getting informed) that it's a former Quarian Space Station? And that the Heretics Geth just modified what they needed to modify? Once you realize that, it's completely logical to find med packs lying around.

Medigel was invented buy Sirta Foundation (Human corp). Something tells me it happened long after the Quarian exile and in another place.

As for me, even with all that stuff, this remains still one of the best game masterpieces ever created!

With all that stuff it's huge setback from ME1. An awesome game as a standalone, for what it is. But an utter fail as a sequel. BioWare still have a chance to correct their mistakes in ME3. But I doubt they'll do it.

[Yiyas]

You forgot that cryo blast reduces people's gravity allowing you to throw them miles which I found more fun than anything else especially in insanity. I was confused by how the planets formed unrealistically but they're not real solar systems are they? How you can fly through the sun or how is the Illusive man always just outside a red dwarf which should be hot enough to boil his insides. It's not exactly part of the gameplay.



Only beef I had was the limited ammo (since everyone else has infinite ammo and was a HUGE problem for me on insanity) and the fact that a biotic power can now be stopped by shields or ablative plating, despite going from "L3" to "L5". IMO only a barrier (notice the name) should be able to stop/absorb the biotic powers since it is of the same "essence", if you will.



It used to be a known "law" that the Earth was flat and the universe rotated around the Earth. If you like your realistic games then dont play Sci-Fi. I enjoyed the game and I feel its more diverse than the first which is more interesting.

[Nikitn]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Nikitn wrote...
... lots of complaining...

I am sorry if this thread offends ME2 fanboys/people who would rather die than play 2 hours of ME1 or any other real RPG.

Man, you're totally right. If it is a sci-fi game it should be based on sci-fi. It isn't. Because BioWare decided it that way. Yes, they fired half the crew of ME1. Writers' department took a major hit. They made a good francise, now they are going to capitalize on it. Earn freaking bucks. Bucks are evenly dispersed among people who give a crap about what vacuum does to exposed skin, and those who don't. Most people don't.

Suck it up, marine, and move on.

 Where did you hear this? Though I did noticed this, with much less quests and content and much more shooting (firing the writes department). Bioware is ****ed... Only decent RPG they made lately is DA:O

Modifié par Nikitn, 25 février 2010 - 01:45 .

[DarthCaine]

What new team? It's the same team from ME1