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[Canned Bullets]

Does anyone even study for it? Wtf is so important about it? Nobody studies for that damned test and its about 2 months away and my parents won't let me hang out with my friends just because they think I have to study for it. My parents are acting like I'll end up working at McDonald's if I don't do good on it.

[Daewan]

You don't study for it; it's a test of your ability to take tests. Read books you haven't read before so you get used to seeing unfamiliar words. Do your math homework. Understand it. Take a few practice tests if you're bored. If you don't pass them, do them again.



If you can solve puzzles and handle tactics in a game, you can pass the SAT. It's a game, it really is. It's a test of your problem solving ability and your ability to handle unfamiliar situations and concepts. That's what you need to study, not stupid questions in a book.

[Pious_Augustus]

You most likely will with the economy. Believe me, all the crap about going to college and getting a full time job with benefits right afterwards is complete bull. Unless your family knows people or you're going into Healthcare don't hold your breath or risk it.

Student Loans are like Child Support they never go away and the Federal Government will get it's money. So if you're going and your parents are so insistant, have them pay for it. However if they expect you to live by their rules, they might as well pay for it. Don't get yourself deep into debt like most kids and adults and then come out finding out that you need experience to get a job and very few places have Entry Level Positions.

Also you won't be making big bucks unless you choose a career path that is currently in need of people. You'll find yourself being told your over qualified or they can hire you but not at a high priced wage. I don't know how many countless people I have worked with or made more money then someone with a masters degree in buisness or marketting.

Standardized Tests are crap they teach you only one lesson. How to pass the test and you're teachers will only teach to the test which has become a motto for the Baby Boomer Teachers.

Seriously if you're still in high school take a class that teaches you basic life skills. Shop, Mechanics, economics, buisness law and how to balence a check book. Pick up a skill which will help you get a job, White Collar jobs in this country are crap right now, hell most of the jobs are being off shored to India.

If you’re school teaches you C++, Visual Basics or a class to help you become Cisco Certified go for it!

Daewan wrote...

You don't study for it; it's a test of your ability to take tests. Read books you haven't read before so you get used to seeing unfamiliar words. Do your math homework. Understand it. Take a few practice tests if you're bored. If you don't pass them, do them again.


If you can solve puzzles and handle tactics in a game, you can pass the SAT. It's a game, it really is. It's a test of your problem solving ability and your ability to handle unfamiliar situations and concepts. That's what you need to study, not stupid questions in a book.

It’s a test to measure a school’s ability to get Federal Funding and a way to measure a teachers performance so their Union can whine about striking and getting more money. All No Child Left Behind does is put the teacher into a disadvantage to where they have to sacrifice time into preparation for a test and through basic skills out the window. You know like balancing a check book, how to repair any old little thing, and let’s not forget….grammar!

I come from the Chicago Public Schools and it shows. I remember when our teacher said we can learn about grammar next year and that we would spend time in English class Learning how to pass the math section of the Iowa Basic Skills Test. And each and every year we heard the same thing.

Modifié par Pious_Augustus, 25 février 2010 - 02:59 .

[Canned Bullets]

Pious_Augustus wrote...

You most likely will with the economy. Believe me, all the crap about going to college and getting a full time job with benefits right afterwards is complete bull. Unless your family knows people or you're going into Healthcare don't hold your breath or risk it.

Student Loans are like Child Support they never go away and the Federal Government will get it's money. So if you're going and your parents are so insistant, have them pay for it. However if they expect you to live by their rules, they might as well pay for it. Don't get yourself deep into debt like most kids and adults and then come out finding out that you need experience to get a job and very few places have Entry Level Positions.

Also you won't be making big bucks unless you choose a career path that is currently in need of people. You'll find yourself being told your over qualified or they can hire you but not at a high priced wage. I don't know how many countless people I have worked with or made more money then someone with a masters degree in buisness or marketting.

Standardized Tests are crap they teach you only one lesson. How to pass the test and you're teachers will only teach to the test which has become a motto for the Baby Boomer Teachers.

Seriously if you're still in high school take a class that teaches you basic life skills. Shop, Mechanics, economics, buisness law and how to balence a check book. Pick up a skill which will help you get a job, White Collar jobs in this country are crap right now, hell most of the jobs are being off shored to India.

If you’re school teaches you C++, Visual Basics or a class to help you become Cisco Certified go for it!

Well, I tried showing my parents these posts, but they were just thinking these aren't really valid, and my parents are old fashioned. I might try again, I'll most likely get a student loan because its too expensive.

Modifié par Canned Bullets, 25 février 2010 - 02:59 .

[Pious_Augustus]

Canned Bullets wrote...

Pious_Augustus wrote...

You most likely will with the economy. Believe me, all the crap about going to college and getting a full time job with benefits right afterwards is complete bull. Unless your family knows people or you're going into Healthcare don't hold your breath or risk it.

Student Loans are like Child Support they never go away and the Federal Government will get it's money. So if you're going and your parents are so insistant, have them pay for it. However if they expect you to live by their rules, they might as well pay for it. Don't get yourself deep into debt like most kids and adults and then come out finding out that you need experience to get a job and very few places have Entry Level Positions.

Also you won't be making big bucks unless you choose a career path that is currently in need of people. You'll find yourself being told your over qualified or they can hire you but not at a high priced wage. I don't know how many countless people I have worked with or made more money then someone with a masters degree in buisness or marketting.

Standardized Tests are crap they teach you only one lesson. How to pass the test and you're teachers will only teach to the test which has become a motto for the Baby Boomer Teachers.

Seriously if you're still in high school take a class that teaches you basic life skills. Shop, Mechanics, economics, buisness law and how to balence a check book. Pick up a skill which will help you get a job, White Collar jobs in this country are crap right now, hell most of the jobs are being off shored to India.

If you’re school teaches you C++, Visual Basics or a class to help you become Cisco Certified go for it!

Well, I tried showing my parents these posts, but they were just thinking these aren't really valid, and my parents are old fashioned. I might try again, I'll most likely get a student loan because its too expensive.

My mother is an old fashioned Baby Boomer from Chicago. She believes all you have to do is walk across the street and apply and you’ll have a full time job with benefits. Not any more. And it’s not because of schooling, it’s because things have changed. Jobs are gone they figure some jobs someone overseas can do them. They also figure an College Education really isn’t going to help prepare you for any old little job so they might hire you, are the same or lower wage as with someone without an college education.

My mother hasn’t worked in almost eight years. She used to preach the jobs have always been there and how all she had to do in her day was go apply and that was that. Yeah, in her time she forgets this is a different time. It’s almost the same situation as with her grand parents in the depression but they just think how it was when they were first getting buy. Now she wants a job, she went to apply for a place with 14 positions. Over 3,000 people showed up and were waiting in line and more were coming.

She is werided out to find they start a highly experienced person out at 9 dollars an hour or lower, She also finds most jobs she could have done are now going overseas. As for Blue Collar Jobs those are the only what are currently paying which is a role reversal from back in the day. Only problem is the Baby Boomers expect you to have experience and very rarely will you see an entry level position because to train someone lol they don’t want to do that.

They won't listen to you or anyone else, they are set in there ways. They were told if you go to college you'll get anything and most of our generation was told that and we went and now we find us living with our parents till 30 to 40 because the student loans we picked up are coming back at us hard and we will never be able to live on our own unless we are single mothers on welfare.

Problem is these adults keep now going back to school because these boomers are now suggesting why don't you get your masters in something else and yeah they still are in the same boat.  The problem is so bad Child Support has been raised till the age of 21 or 23 in the case of my state IL because Single Mothers have there kids who are now adults still living with them and now they are lobbying in my state and around the country to have Child Support till the age of 30.

Oh one thing though a loophole in Child Support laws if you move into a dorm and away from your parents house and they refuse to support you in college you can seek in some states child support from both parents which in IL you can which is 20% of what ever each makes.

Modifié par Pious_Augustus, 25 février 2010 - 03:12 .

[Canned Bullets]

Yeah, my English 9 teacher says that we have to focus on the test first before we can do things like, telling and writing speeches, my 7th grade English teacher said that we would learn how to fill out a job application and learn how to write a check, but we never did.

Modifié par Canned Bullets, 25 février 2010 - 03:15 .

[Giantevilhead]

The correlation between high school GPA and college Freshmen GPA is about .52 while the correlation between SAT scores and college Freshmen GPA is about .4 so the SAT's aren't completely useless. They're just not as important as your GPA.

AP scores on the other hand, are a bit different. I can't remember the exact statistics but both AP scores and grades in AP classes correlate pretty strongly with how well you do in that particular subject in college.

Modifié par Giantevilhead, 25 février 2010 - 03:17 .

[Pious_Augustus]

Canned Bullets wrote...

Yeah, my English 9 teacher says that we have to focus on the test first before we can do things like, telling and writing speeches, my 7th grade English teacher said that we would learn how to fill out a job application and learn how to write a test, but we never did.

You're in for a rude awakening come you're time to try and attempt to get into the world. Unless you're a woman who gets knocked up for the purpose of child support, free healthcare, free footstamps, SSI maybe from you kid, housing and gods knows how many other benefits then you're screwed.


Oh one thing though. Job Secruity for our generation is different from the boomers. You do not stay in one place long like they did because most jobs will not promote or pay you more and there is always the risk of becoming too comfortable and then that job offshoring to India.  Some jobs will work you up until Full Time Hours to keep you at part time. You can't stay at a place for 20 years anymore.

I still can't believe the Boomers want to increase Child Support till the age of 30 the way they are running things is completely off and is not working. Teaching to the test has killed our Education system.

Oh yeah if you want to live with your parents till your 40 and take our student loans to go to college don't worry your grades in high school mean crap. They take you and give you discounts here and there but keep in mind you're still paying for something that will keep you struggling and dependant on your parents for the majority of your adult life.

Modifié par Pious_Augustus, 25 février 2010 - 03:20 .

[Canned Bullets]

Giantevilhead wrote...

The correlation between high school GPA and college Freshmen GPA is about .52 while the correlation between SAT scores and college Freshmen GPA is about .4 so the SAT's aren't completely useless. They're just not as important as your GPA.

AP scores on the other hand, are a bit different. I can't remember the exact statistics but both AP scores and grades in AP classes correlate pretty strongly with how well you do in that particular subject in college.

Do I have to go into an AP class to get into college?

[Pious_Augustus]

Canned Bullets wrote...

Giantevilhead wrote...

The correlation between high school GPA and college Freshmen GPA is about .52 while the correlation between SAT scores and college Freshmen GPA is about .4 so the SAT's aren't completely useless. They're just not as important as your GPA.

AP scores on the other hand, are a bit different. I can't remember the exact statistics but both AP scores and grades in AP classes correlate pretty strongly with how well you do in that particular subject in college.

Do I have to go into an AP class to get into college?

No. Believe me. All you do is call a recruiter no matter what you're score and they'll get you in. It's not that hard believe me. They beg you to come to school and pay them a loan that would take you 30 to 40 years to pay off. You're giving them money in which in the end you'll get a scrap of paper saying you went there and then when you find you can't get a job to pay back the student loans you might go back and take up another majority and give them more money.

College is a Scam. We have people literally suing schools because they can't get a job and their college degree is pretty much as vauable is you're toliet paper.

Modifié par Pious_Augustus, 25 février 2010 - 03:26 .

[Canned Bullets]

Pious_Augustus wrote...

Canned Bullets wrote...

Giantevilhead wrote...

The correlation between high school GPA and college Freshmen GPA is about .52 while the correlation between SAT scores and college Freshmen GPA is about .4 so the SAT's aren't completely useless. They're just not as important as your GPA.

AP scores on the other hand, are a bit different. I can't remember the exact statistics but both AP scores and grades in AP classes correlate pretty strongly with how well you do in that particular subject in college.

Do I have to go into an AP class to get into college?

No. Believe me. All you do is call a recruiter no matter what you're score and they'll get you in. It's not that hard believe me. They beg you to come to school and pay them a loan that would take you 30 to 40 years to pay off.

You mean like a military recruiter? I'm actually interested in the Marines, and the fact that they give you a scholarship, but my parents think I'll get shot so they aren't supportive of me when I tell them I'm interested in the military.

[lv12medic]

Depends on which Standardized Test you are studying for. If it's some sort of state test... sadly its used more to justify which schools get more money than others. SAT/ACT/AP tests can actually mean something in terms of college applications/credit and such, depending on the schools you apply to. It doesn't sound like you're facing the GRE/MCAT etc. those are for graduate school. (Dang... that reminds me, I gotta plan on taking the Physics subject GRE still).



Anyways... standardized tests are SUPPOSED to measure how well you can perform taking tests and time management skills and such... however, they really only measure how well you can answer the specific questions on the test on that day at that time. My personal philosophy is that its better to take a standardized test without studying for it because it provides a measure of how well you can actually perform under normal everyday circumstances. Lets say you study for the test for 3 months and get a crazy good score, you take a few months off and someone just throws a similar test at you out of the blue... will you get the same score? Probably not.



I remember before taking the GRE... I picked up one of those Princeton Review "OMG, if you do all this you'll get a pwnz0rd score!" books. I looked at what they suggested to do for the Verbal part and laughed at it. They say to read books to raise your vocabulary... but the test throws words that no one uses at you. So bah! Then I look at what they suggest for the Math part and laughed yet again. They go "If you get this kind of problem, do this, that type, do that" etc. Instead of actually... you know, SOLVING THE PROBLEM...



Okay... sorry, that turned into a bit of a rant but oh well. You can try studying for one hour a day or something to. Everybody likes compromises right?

[Pious_Augustus]

Canned Bullets wrote...

Pious_Augustus wrote...

Canned Bullets wrote...

Giantevilhead wrote...

The correlation between high school GPA and college Freshmen GPA is about .52 while the correlation between SAT scores and college Freshmen GPA is about .4 so the SAT's aren't completely useless. They're just not as important as your GPA.

AP scores on the other hand, are a bit different. I can't remember the exact statistics but both AP scores and grades in AP classes correlate pretty strongly with how well you do in that particular subject in college.

Do I have to go into an AP class to get into college?

No. Believe me. All you do is call a recruiter no matter what you're score and they'll get you in. It's not that hard believe me. They beg you to come to school and pay them a loan that would take you 30 to 40 years to pay off.

You mean like a military recruiter? I'm actually interested in the Marines, and the fact that they give you a scholarship, but my parents think I'll get shot so they aren't supportive of me when I tell them I'm interested in the military.

Marine Recruiters don't get paid comission. They pretty much can go anywhere in the U.S and keep their job as a Recruiter as long as they keep their numbers up plus they get a free car to go out and "recruit."

No it's not free. As someone who stood on those Yellow Foot Prints at MCRD they tell you right in boot camp that it's not free. If you fail a class you have to pay back the Federal Government everything it cost you to go to that class with interest.

A College Recruiter will do everything in his or her power to get you in and keep you in debt, get ready to study up on the FDCPA. (Fair Debt Collection Practices Act) This is an Attempt to Collect an Debt, any information obtained will be used for that purpose.

Modifié par Pious_Augustus, 25 février 2010 - 03:31 .

[Giantevilhead]

Canned Bullets wrote...

Giantevilhead wrote...

The correlation between high school GPA and college Freshmen GPA is about .52 while the correlation between SAT scores and college Freshmen GPA is about .4 so the SAT's aren't completely useless. They're just not as important as your GPA.

AP scores on the other hand, are a bit different. I can't remember the exact statistics but both AP scores and grades in AP classes correlate pretty strongly with how well you do in that particular subject in college.

Do I have to go into an AP class to get into college?

Depends on what school you want to get in and the level of education you want.

The cheapest option is to go to a community college for 1 or 2 years to get your general education requirements and then transfer to a 4 year college to get your bachelor's degree. If your goal is to get a good job as quickly as possible then you can study to become a medical technician or a nurse. It doesn't take much time, you'll have a pretty easy finding a job even in this economy, job security is good, and the pay is very good relative to the amount of education you need, it should be more than enough to meet your financial needs.

[AshedMan]

I studied for mine in a sense. I bought a computer program/game that had me do a bunch of questions and problems similar to what you'd encounter on the test. It makes for good practice.

[Daewan]

If the test is going to be on paper, study on paper with a pencil.

You want to go to college. Trust me on this one. The farther away you can get from your parents the better, so that you can learn to take care of yourself. If you stay at home, and keep depending on them, you'll never learn.

You should have an idea of what you want to do and go to college for, but you'll probably change your mind about it. (I wanted to be an English teacher, lolz! I work in software development.)

Seriously, grab one of the practice tests and tell us your score and how long it took you to solve however many questions there are.

As for the job suggestions, you have to do whatever you want to do, not what someone suggests is a good idea. It might take you a few tries to figure out what you really want to do, but picking a job or signing up for a military career just because you heard it was a good idea from someone who barely knows you is just silly. You have to actually want to do your job, or you'll hate it and you'll suck at it.

Note to self: Do not attempt to dodge charging Krogan and type at the same time.

[Archdemon Cthulhu]

Pious_Augustus wrote...

Canned Bullets wrote...

Yeah, my English 9 teacher says that we have to focus on the test first before we can do things like, telling and writing speeches, my 7th grade English teacher said that we would learn how to fill out a job application and learn how to write a test, but we never did.

You're in for a rude awakening come you're time to try and attempt to get into the world. Unless you're a woman who gets knocked up for the purpose of child support, free healthcare, free footstamps, SSI maybe from you kid, housing and gods knows how many other benefits then you're screwed.


Oh one thing though. Job Secruity for our generation is different from the boomers. You do not stay in one place long like they did because most jobs will not promote or pay you more and there is always the risk of becoming too comfortable and then that job offshoring to India.  Some jobs will work you up until Full Time Hours to keep you at part time. You can't stay at a place for 20 years anymore.

I still can't believe the Boomers want to increase Child Support till the age of 30 the way they are running things is completely off and is not working. Teaching to the test has killed our Education system.

Oh yeah if you want to live with your parents till your 40 and take our student loans to go to college don't worry your grades in high school mean crap. They take you and give you discounts here and there but keep in mind you're still paying for something that will keep you struggling and dependant on your parents for the majority of your adult life.

First and foremost, this kid is 14 (assuming English 9 means ninth grade).  Most of what you're saying is going over his head.   

Second, what you're describing is a trend that goes with a certain level of colleges, and a group of schools which, I agree with you, are not worth a look and are basically just a waste of time. 

College is only worth it if a.) it's free or super cheap, b.)the school is top 100 in the country, though you're much better off with a top 50 school which has a legitimate career center and can actually place you at a job,  c.) you want a specific career in something that absolutely requires higher education, like to be a teacher, researcher, doctor, lawyer, architect or Engineer.  

Other than that, college isn't really necessary.  The myth of "everyone should go to college" has actually been extremely harmful to the job market and in many ways, the economy.  Many institutions will just take your check and give you a degree from an unrecognizable place that won't even boost your resume.  

There are many options outside of college, there is the military, though that is definitely a matter of personal choice, one that not everyone should make either, or there is trade school as well.  If you can build marketable skills, you'll get a job regardless of college.  

To the OP, if you are at all good at math/science, learn computer science.  Seriously, it is the one area where jobs are not lacking.  

Also, if this standardized test is in fact an ITBS test or something similar.  DO NOT waste time studying, it's bull**** and the test isn't even about you.  If it's the SAT, then maybe study, but don't obsess, only so much you can do.

[Jae Onasi]

Studying the guides is well worth it. First, you learn the format of the questions and how they'll be graded (e.g. do wrong answers give you no points, or do they actually count against you on top of that?). Second, you'll see some of those same questions on the test, or variations of the same. If you've seen it before, you have a much better chance of answering correctly, or at least narrowing it down to a couple choices so that you can guess more easily. Third, it'll show you areas that are your strengths and weaknesses, so you know which subjects to work even harder on or areas where you need to catch up. Fourth, some of these tests can determine whether or not you get scholarships in college. That alone makes it well worth studying, and studying hard. Nothing is better than coming out of undergrad debt free (or nearly so).

[Canned Bullets]

Yeah its the kind of test that the government uses to keep a check in schools, but my parents think it'll effect stuff like college.

[Godak]

Canned Bullets wrote...

Yeah its the kind of test that the government uses to keep a check in schools, but my parents think it'll effect stuff like college.

It'll only have an effect on in-state colleges.

[Chained_Creator]

But standardized testing is how we make sure No Child Is Left Behind. 

Yeah, right, I know. Please don't shoot me. 

[Statulos]

lv12medic wrote...
I remember before taking the GRE... I picked up one of those Princeton Review "OMG, if you do all this you'll get a pwnz0rd score!" books. I looked at what they suggested to do for the Verbal part and laughed at it. They say to read books to raise your vocabulary... but the test throws words that no one uses at you. So bah! Then I look at what they suggest for the Math part and laughed yet again. They go "If you get this kind of problem, do this, that type, do that" etc. Instead of actually... you know, SOLVING THE PROBLEM...

Okay... sorry, that turned into a bit of a rant but oh well. You can try studying for one hour a day or something to. Everybody likes compromises right?

I had to do GRE a couple years ago and my results basicaly said that I was beyound retarded. And I was admitted so I guess it depends on the kind of studies you want to take.

[Juhy]

All modern academic testing is absolutely retarded. But hey, so are many things in our great amazing society, that sure doesn't stop us from blindly jumping into the meat-grinder

[AshedMan]

Is this testing for No Child Left Behind legislation (graduation requirement in many states) or something like the SAT for colleges to look at?

[Vaylemn]

Standardized tests are exactly the opposite of the name. Nothing about the test is standard such as the SAT. I remember an essay topic that asks you to write about popular culture, which I have very little idea about. So I got stereotypical and wrote about rap music and hip hop and what not, because I read in a signature that 90% people listen to rap music, lol (but I dislike rap music and so I had no idea what I was writing about).

So, in the end the test is more favorable to people fitting the prejudiced descriptions of standardized test makers. They assume you are a teenager of popular culture.