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[Lyrandori]

Shepard is one tough mother-f'er, that is all, really. I could try to write a novel about it and use precise wording to describe everything I could think of, but in the end it comes down to that, or else he or she would have probably lost sanity or even committed suicide. I actually agree with you OP, but there's one major problem to your reasoning, in that you're comparing a fictional character's mental and will power to what we actually know of such things in our real world, but the thing is that in a sci-fi and/or fantasy story you can create any types of characters who are capable or anything and everything, the only limit(s) is what the author(s) of the story imposes on the concerned character.



In other words you cannot explain the plausibility of the narrative, you need to rely on suspension of disbelief to "believe in it", to believe that in the ME universe there is at least one tough son-of-a-**** capable of doing everything he or she is doing, simply "because" the author(s) want it.

[CrookedAsylum]

Jlop985 wrote...

At this point, a breakdown would be totally out of character for Shepard.

no u

[Cypher0020]

Lyrandori wrote...

Shepard is one tough mother-f'er, that is all, really. I could try to write a novel about it and use precise wording to describe everything I could think of, but in the end it comes down to that, or else he or she would have probably lost sanity or even committed suicide. I actually agree with you OP, but there's one major problem to your reasoning, in that you're comparing a fictional character's mental and will power to what we actually know of such things in our real world, but the thing is that in a sci-fi and/or fantasy story you can create any types of characters who are capable or anything and everything, the only limit(s) is what the author(s) of the story imposes on the concerned character.

In other words you cannot explain the plausibility of the narrative, you need to rely on suspension of disbelief to "believe in it", to believe that in the ME universe there is at least one tough son-of-a-**** capable of doing everything he or she is doing, simply "because" the author(s) want it.

^  I like this. I understand your point totally

I know that BW created Shep to be the ultimate bad boy/girl in some respects, guess I'm just wondering why they thought that flaws were irrelevant?


I think that dialogue options would be great!  That could work couldn't it??

[MaaZeus]

I know that BW created Shep to be the ultimate bad boy/girl in some respects, guess I'm just wondering why they thought that flaws were irrelevant?

Flaws? Hmmm... Shepard gets a mental breakdown when he realises that despite his ultimate badboy/girl status he just cannot dance...

[Jlop985]

yummysoap wrote...

The right Shepard can have all his parents and friends brutally killed by batarians when he's sixteen. Live to see his entire squad get eaten alive by thresher maws (imagine watching your entire ME1/ME2 squad getting picked off one-by-one leaving only you standing). Go through personal hell fighting once-human zombies, evil robots, a giant "plant", Kaidan/Ashley Virmired, Saren, Sovereign-Frog-Saren, the Collectors, can watch a great many/all of his ME2 squad die, murder a giant Reaper baby.

He's damn well due a mental breakdown.

Shame it's most likely not going to happen. Players would get all pissy about "their" Shepard being a wuss.

How do you know Shepard hasn't already freaked out due to the batarian attack or Akuze? The dude/chick dealt with it before the game.

[yummysoap]

Jlop985 wrote...

yummysoap wrote...

The right Shepard can have all his parents and friends brutally killed by batarians when he's sixteen. Live to see his entire squad get eaten alive by thresher maws (imagine watching your entire ME1/ME2 squad getting picked off one-by-one leaving only you standing). Go through personal hell fighting once-human zombies, evil robots, a giant "plant", Kaidan/Ashley Virmired, Saren, Sovereign-Frog-Saren, the Collectors, can watch a great many/all of his ME2 squad die, murder a giant Reaper baby.

He's damn well due a mental breakdown.

Shame it's most likely not going to happen. Players would get all pissy about "their" Shepard being a wuss.

How do you know Shepard hasn't already freaked out due to the batarian attack or Akuze? The dude/chick dealt with it before the game.

I.. um... don't?

[Cypher0020]

ouch I forgot about those godawful dance moves



hmmm......

[Mlow44]

Cypher0020 wrote...


Up until Eden Prime, Shepard was a normal space marine.  The missions were fairly mundane and he/she is a good officer amongst peers.

Cue the beacon and everything goes to hell in a handbasket at warp speed.

I dunno about you....but how can a space marine, even a Spec. Ops one deal with mowing down machines that haven't been seen in centuries, deal with coded visions burned into their head, actually MEET a Reaper and hold a conversation..... take on an egomanic rogue Spectre- defeat its poessessed form- make a galactic changing decision with the Council and come out okay?


That's just the start

Cue ME2. Shepard dies. Collectors and other NPC's saw you get spaced and you died. You're brought back ot life by a Anti-Alliance terrorist cell. Friends and loved ones moved one. Shepard missed two YEARS from his/her life.

Reapers are invading. No one cares.


Agree? Disagree?

Shepard pulls the IMPOSSIBLE- going headlong into Collector space and takes own the main base. In my Shep's case she got all squad/crew out, but that's beside the point....



That's a LOT to deal with. NPC's say that yeah, most would have been broken, etc.... but I just don't buy it.

Unless Shepard's willpower is stronger than Revan.... first and foremost, Shepard's only human, and can crack due to stress.....

and this, ladies and gents is a LOT of stress.

depending on the origin you chose in ME1 you can view him as a sort of Batman character. If batarian slavers took his whole family when he was living as a colonist as a child, that's sort of the same motivation Batman had to wear the cowl. and NO MAN has the willpower like Batman. I'm sure i could come up with allusions for the other two origins but i'm kinda pressed for time right this second

[TyDurden13]

Well I dunno about in general.  But I am roleplaying one of my Sheps down the path to nervous breakdown.  She's a Colonist who joined the Alliance after a horrific experience with batarian slavers.  Then she saw her unit wiped out on Akuze.  She lost Wrex and Kaiden on Virmire, along with the salarian infiltration team.  Then she was killed and brought back by the group that wiped her squad on Akuze.  She broke ties with all her old squad during the ME1 meetings, and then got almost all her new team killed at the Collector base.  You can read the details here.

Anyway my idea was to have a Shep that started off as a paragon, and slowly got worn down by all this tragedy to the point where she becomes a full-on renegade toward the end of the sereis.  Like Renee Walker if your watching 24.

Modifié par TyDurden13, 25 février 2010 - 02:17 .

[Gabey5]

the fact thaqt no one cares in mind boggling

[Cypher0020]

Damn. That letter made my mouth drop and snicker all at once

[RighteousRage]

Pretty much every video game character is insane already, probably including Shepard, which is how they do the things they do

[Himmelstor]

Terraneaux wrote...

My Renegade Shepard cracked a long time ago (Akuze) and kept it quiet.

My Paragon femShep was born without the ability to understand doubt or angst.

Though I'm gonna go ahead and paraphrase Tolstoy on this one: All the Sheps who don't snap are kinda the same, but everyone's got their own idea of where Shep's breaking point is, so it'd be hard to put into a game and have people be down with it.

Would like to think my Renegade Shepard - Dmitri - already cracked. Just has good outlet - copious amounts of violence.
Yes, is shameless plug for my fanfic...

[jklinders]

Cypher0020 wrote...


Up until Eden Prime, Shepard was a normal space marine.  The missions were fairly mundane and he/she is a good officer amongst peers.

Cue the beacon and everything goes to hell in a handbasket at warp speed.

I dunno about you....but how can a space marine, even a Spec. Ops one deal with mowing down machines that haven't been seen in centuries, deal with coded visions burned into their head, actually MEET a Reaper and hold a conversation..... take on an egomanic rogue Spectre- defeat its poessessed form- make a galactic changing decision with the Council and come out okay?


That's just the start

Cue ME2. Shepard dies. Collectors and other NPC's saw you get spaced and you died. You're brought back ot life by a Anti-Alliance terrorist cell. Friends and loved ones moved one. Shepard missed two YEARS from his/her life.

Reapers are invading. No one cares.


Agree? Disagree?

Shepard pulls the IMPOSSIBLE- going headlong into Collector space and takes own the main base. In my Shep's case she got all squad/crew out, but that's beside the point....



That's a LOT to deal with. NPC's say that yeah, most would have been broken, etc.... but I just don't buy it.

Unless Shepard's willpower is stronger than Revan.... first and foremost, Shepard's only human, and can crack due to stress.....

and this, ladies and gents is a LOT of stress.

I agree and it could make a good story hook for ME3. You can only shoulder so much weight before you start to crack. He might be an undead zombie cyborg, but he still human as well.

I think a scene towards the end of ME 3 where Shepard is feeding off the strength of his companions rather than being the source of all the strength in the team just before the final push would be very fitting and give Shepard a very human side. Shepard simply cannot ALWAYS be invulnerable and be believable.

[Cypher0020]

That's it! I love Shepard dearly... but its starting to hit Revan rawr awesomeness..... no one, not even fictional people are totally immune



my writing prof is always talking tha flaws made a character....break them, mold them, build them up.



Or at least make Shep explode at an LI, or Miranda, or hurl a datapad across the room



he/she cannot do this alone... maybe Tali gives him/her a hug?

[jklinders]

The best literature always has flawed characters. It's how you rise above them that counts.

[Himmelstor]

Cypher0020 wrote...

That's it! I love Shepard dearly... but its starting to hit Revan rawr awesomeness..... no one, not even fictional people are totally immune

my writing prof is always talking tha flaws made a character....break them, mold them, build them up.

Or at least make Shep explode at an LI, or Miranda, or hurl a datapad across the room

he/she cannot do this alone... maybe Tali gives him/her a hug?

Wouldn't be bad emotional reaction and recovery...

[beautifvl_flaw]

Shep has always had a lot of bad stuff to deal with. Whether or not it is likely to cause a breakdown depends on how s/he deals with it, I suppose. If s/he has a good way of coming to terms with things, then s/he could stay strong for all of this.



There is also the fact that Shepard has to do this, because nobody else will. Humans can do a hell of a lot when they have to. It may or may not come to haunt them when everything is over, depending on them as a person.

[Selor Kiith]

Well... my Shepard is surely the "Duty first" guy... but he was pretty much down after meeting Ashley (his LI) and she kicked him in his daddy bags literally... and he made some choices that could be considered weird and a sign of mental instability... (punching that Eclipse dude out of the Window and such...).



And he sure will need a LOOOONG Vacation after ME3 ^^

[KotOREffecT]

StaR_JeS wrote...

I would love to explore Shepard's past more. We were given the opportunity to in ME1, and I half expected to see more about Shepard's past in ME2. Unfortunately, no. It does seem a bit improbable that Shepard wouldn't do some soul-searching on his/her own when no one is around...maybe with tears or with rage.

I love that painting, Matron Adena. So beautiful and powerful.

Hopefully in the 3rd game Shep will get a personal quest, kinda like the character quests in ME 2, where it will offer a satisfying end to his or her struggles. Like I'd like to see one where if your Mendoir born, you would actually get to go to Mendoir, where you would have flashbacks, and get to explore a bit of your childhood. And be able to free slaves, brutally kill Batarians, or even help the Batarians. It could be deep, and offer personal choices for Shep to make. It would be perfect for the 3rd game. IMO something would seem missing if BioWare didn't capitalize on Sheps personal background.

[Cypher0020]

So background mission DLC? Can't be worse than the other two...



I liked Chakwas's options... but they justseemed.... subpar... I don't know, and I see Chakwas as Shep's mentor, like Anderson and I couldn't even really express my feelings

[Markinator_123]

If I was Shepard, I would have blown my brains out. Thank goodness I am not Shepard.

[jlb524]

MatronAdena wrote...

this is exactly why I drew this:

I love this picture!  It reminds me of my Shepard a lot.   I just noticed Liara's picture lying next to her!

Modifié par jlb524, 25 février 2010 - 03:08 .