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[Xandurpein]

What makes an RPG is Immersion, Story, Dice rolls, customization, statistics .

[flem1]

Computron2000 wrote...
There is no medigel to spam so if the bots come up to you while you're seeing red, you're in deep ****.

Actually, once you get the health/shield restoration upgrades, medigel is like the old version again, but better and on shorter cooldown!  Hilarious, actually, since progression sort of goes backwards from what progression did in the old game (you started with medigel, but armor upgrades gave you regen over time).

As for the OP, his premise is not only unproven but actually wrong.  At this point it's clear that the complainers have lost the debate and are in a tiny minority.  ME2 is Bio's best -- and certainly most fun -- game besides BG2 and (arguably) DA.

Modifié par flem1, 25 février 2010 - 12:04 .

[Symbolz]

The Mythical Magician wrote...

Sure you can aim but does it matter if you off the target alittle bit in ME1 no, it was all about the dice rolls
What makes an RPG is Immersion, Story, Dice rolls, customization, statistics which in a sense ME1 had all of the ingredients.

Your argument is making less and less sense.  It's all about dice rolls?  I'm not sure which version of ME1 you have but I don't recall seeing a DM screen, a little red wizard, or the clattering of dice.

[ZennExile]

How many more trolls can we fit in this thread?

[ZennExile]

Xandurpein wrote...


What makes an RPG is Immersion, Story, Dice rolls, customization, statistics .

Then Call of Duty Modern Warfare 2 is an RPG?

[ZennExile]

flem1 wrote...

Computron2000 wrote...
There is no medigel to spam so if the bots come up to you while you're seeing red, you're in deep ****.

Actually, once you get the health/shield restoration upgrades, medigel is like the old version again, but better and on shorter cooldown!  Hilarious, actually, since progression sort of goes backwards from what progression did in the old game (you started with medigel, but armor upgrades gave you regen over time).

As for the OP, his premise is not only unproven but actually wrong.  At this point it's clear that the complainers have lost the debate and are in a tiny minority.  ME2 is Bio's best -- and certainly most fun -- game besides BG2 and (arguably) DA.

Define best objectively and you'll have a valid point.  Otherwise yer high.

[Unwise Wisdom]

More like whine hard fans.

[The Mythical Magician]

Xandurpein wrote...


What makes an RPG is Immersion, Story, Dice rolls, customization, statistics .

You Sir have never played an RPG.
<_<

[ZennExile]

Symbol117 wrote...

The Mythical Magician wrote...

Sure you can aim but does it matter if you off the target alittle bit in ME1 no, it was all about the dice rolls
What makes an RPG is Immersion, Story, Dice rolls, customization, statistics which in a sense ME1 had all of the ingredients.

Your argument is making less and less sense.  It's all about dice rolls?  I'm not sure which version of ME1 you have but I don't recall seeing a DM screen, a little red wizard, or the clattering of dice.

This post just makes you seem ignorant.  If you don't know what random rolls are and how they are used in pretty much every game (ME2 included) then you shouldn't really post anything at all.  Or at the very list you should have the common courtesy to google **** instead of just pulling it out of yer crap cannon and throwing it.

[ExtremeOne]

The Mythical Magician wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

The Mythical Magician wrote...

I believe why ME2 failed for a good portion of us is because of Bioware's focus on the mainstream crowd though business wise it is prefect for making quick money but overall you guys lost some of your die hard fans on this switch of focus. I'm a fan of you guys and I love your work but ME2 disappointed me and many others. I hope on your next project you guys focus on giving your die hard fans a great game than trying to please every crowd out there.

ME2 is a great game but its not as great as its predecessor for the fact that the focus was different.
<_<

 


you need to speak for yourself because I am so sick and tired of you so called Mass Effect 1 elitist spewing your anti crap. I mean its about high time you and the rest of the Mass Effect 1 fans deal with the changes and STFU. 

If you're tired & sick of ME1 fans and their opinions then why not ignore this topic and/or avoid ones that are like this? Btw I alike all of yous are free to express your opinions and telling one to shut up is like telling yourself the same thing so if you don't like my own opinions then fine but telling me to shut up is rude and mannerless.

 


yeah I am really sick of you and the Mass Effect 1 fans that can not grow a set of Stones and deal with the changes in Mass Effect 2. Mass Effect 1 was a poor shooter and the worse frame rate ever in a game.  

[The Mythical Magician]

Symbol117 wrote...

The Mythical Magician wrote...

Sure you can aim but does it matter if you off the target alittle bit in ME1 no, it was all about the dice rolls
What makes an RPG is Immersion, Story, Dice rolls, customization, statistics which in a sense ME1 had all of the ingredients.

Your argument is making less and less sense.  It's all about dice rolls?  I'm not sure which version of ME1 you have but I don't recall seeing a DM screen, a little red wizard, or the clattering of dice.

Dice Rolls on how much Damage you give & take...

[wolfstanus]

IM going to say this gain. This is a hybrid RPG. Hybrid Rpgs do not follow the same "rules" as standard rpgs.

[flem1]

OK, now we have troll-on-troll melee action. Heh.

[FlintlockJazz]

ZennExile wrote...

How many more trolls can we fit in this thread?

We're working on it, if we stop lining them up neatly and just cram 'em in I reckon we can get twice as many in!

[The Mythical Magician]

ExtremeOne wrote...

The Mythical Magician wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

The Mythical Magician wrote...

I believe why ME2 failed for a good portion of us is because of Bioware's focus on the mainstream crowd though business wise it is prefect for making quick money but overall you guys lost some of your die hard fans on this switch of focus. I'm a fan of you guys and I love your work but ME2 disappointed me and many others. I hope on your next project you guys focus on giving your die hard fans a great game than trying to please every crowd out there.

ME2 is a great game but its not as great as its predecessor for the fact that the focus was different.
<_<

 


you need to speak for yourself because I am so sick and tired of you so called Mass Effect 1 elitist spewing your anti crap. I mean its about high time you and the rest of the Mass Effect 1 fans deal with the changes and STFU. 

If you're tired & sick of ME1 fans and their opinions then why not ignore this topic and/or avoid ones that are like this? Btw I alike all of yous are free to express your opinions and telling one to shut up is like telling yourself the same thing so if you don't like my own opinions then fine but telling me to shut up is rude and mannerless.

 

Mass Effect 1 was a poor shooter 

I agree but it really wasn't all about the darn shooter aspect of the game is was about the Story

[ExtremeOne]

you know Mass Effect 1 fans you can always play Mass Effect 1 and not even touch Mass Effect 2. Oh but that would not make you happy you guys have to whine like school kids about the changes

Modifié par ExtremeOne, 25 février 2010 - 12:15 .

[Sleepicub09]

The Mythical Magician wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

The Mythical Magician wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

The Mythical Magician wrote...

I believe why ME2 failed for a good portion of us is because of Bioware's focus on the mainstream crowd though business wise it is prefect for making quick money but overall you guys lost some of your die hard fans on this switch of focus. I'm a fan of you guys and I love your work but ME2 disappointed me and many others. I hope on your next project you guys focus on giving your die hard fans a great game than trying to please every crowd out there.

ME2 is a great game but its not as great as its predecessor for the fact that the focus was different.
<_<

 


you need to speak for yourself because I am so sick and tired of you so called Mass Effect 1 elitist spewing your anti crap. I mean its about high time you and the rest of the Mass Effect 1 fans deal with the changes and STFU. 

If you're tired & sick of ME1 fans and their opinions then why not ignore this topic and/or avoid ones that are like this? Btw I alike all of yous are free to express your opinions and telling one to shut up is like telling yourself the same thing so if you don't like my own opinions then fine but telling me to shut up is rude and mannerless.

 

Mass Effect 1 was a poor shooter 

I agree but it really wasn't all about the darn shooter aspect of the game is was about the Story

now its about both so whats the problem

[ZennExile]

ExtremeOne wrote...

The Mythical Magician wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

The Mythical Magician wrote...

I believe why ME2 failed for a good portion of us is because of Bioware's focus on the mainstream crowd though business wise it is prefect for making quick money but overall you guys lost some of your die hard fans on this switch of focus. I'm a fan of you guys and I love your work but ME2 disappointed me and many others. I hope on your next project you guys focus on giving your die hard fans a great game than trying to please every crowd out there.

ME2 is a great game but its not as great as its predecessor for the fact that the focus was different.
<_<

 


you need to speak for yourself because I am so sick and tired of you so called Mass Effect 1 elitist spewing your anti crap. I mean its about high time you and the rest of the Mass Effect 1 fans deal with the changes and STFU. 

If you're tired & sick of ME1 fans and their opinions then why not ignore this topic and/or avoid ones that are like this? Btw I alike all of yous are free to express your opinions and telling one to shut up is like telling yourself the same thing so if you don't like my own opinions then fine but telling me to shut up is rude and mannerless.

 


yeah I am really sick of you and the Mass Effect 1 fans that can not grow a set of Stones and deal with the changes in Mass Effect 2. Mass Effect 1 was a poor shooter and the worse frame rate ever in a game.  

Why the lies?  You jump at every oppertunity to troll regardless of who it is. 

[AngryFrozenWater]

The Mythical Magician wrote...

I believe why ME2 failed for a good portion of us is because of Bioware's focus on the mainstream crowd though business wise it is prefect for making quick money but overall you guys lost some of your die hard fans on this switch of focus. I'm a fan of you guys and I love your work but ME2 disappointed me and many others. I hope on your next project you guys focus on giving your die hard fans a great game than trying to please every crowd out there.

ME2 is a great game but its not as great as its predecessor for the fact that the focus was different.
<_<

I think it is hard to create a game that appeals to a large audience without losing its identity. Especially after the success of the first title. Most people seem to forget that ME1 sold rather well and it scored well in reviews.

I predict that we will see three major improvements in ME3.
1) The crew member recruitment/loyalty missions will be better integrated in the story.
2) The conversation topics will be more fleshed out.
3) There will be more active talents (to allow levels 31 through 60).

These issues pop up the most often on these forums and no doubt that BW is going to do something with it. Number 3 is something that is not happening because of people's wishes but it has simply to do with importing the ME2 characters and their stats in ME3. But I could be off here. This is what I think... Currently the level cap is 30, so the number of active talents has been kept low: 3 (plus one after the loyalty mission) for crew members and 6 (plus a bonus talent) for Shepard. In ME3 the level cap will be 60 and  I think the number of talents is likely to double. That would bring the game back to ME1 levels.

[SurfaceBeneath]

ZennExile wrote...

How many more trolls can we fit in this thread?

At least one more apparently.

[ZennExile]

Sleepicub09 wrote...

The Mythical Magician wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

The Mythical Magician wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

The Mythical Magician wrote...

I believe why ME2 failed for a good portion of us is because of Bioware's focus on the mainstream crowd though business wise it is prefect for making quick money but overall you guys lost some of your die hard fans on this switch of focus. I'm a fan of you guys and I love your work but ME2 disappointed me and many others. I hope on your next project you guys focus on giving your die hard fans a great game than trying to please every crowd out there.

ME2 is a great game but its not as great as its predecessor for the fact that the focus was different.
<_<

 


you need to speak for yourself because I am so sick and tired of you so called Mass Effect 1 elitist spewing your anti crap. I mean its about high time you and the rest of the Mass Effect 1 fans deal with the changes and STFU. 

If you're tired & sick of ME1 fans and their opinions then why not ignore this topic and/or avoid ones that are like this? Btw I alike all of yous are free to express your opinions and telling one to shut up is like telling yourself the same thing so if you don't like my own opinions then fine but telling me to shut up is rude and mannerless.

 

Mass Effect 1 was a poor shooter 

I agree but it really wasn't all about the darn shooter aspect of the game is was about the Story

now its about both so whats the problem

The shooter elements still suck...

[ExtremeOne]

The Mythical Magician wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

The Mythical Magician wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

The Mythical Magician wrote...

I believe why ME2 failed for a good portion of us is because of Bioware's focus on the mainstream crowd though business wise it is prefect for making quick money but overall you guys lost some of your die hard fans on this switch of focus. I'm a fan of you guys and I love your work but ME2 disappointed me and many others. I hope on your next project you guys focus on giving your die hard fans a great game than trying to please every crowd out there.

ME2 is a great game but its not as great as its predecessor for the fact that the focus was different.
<_<

 


you need to speak for yourself because I am so sick and tired of you so called Mass Effect 1 elitist spewing your anti crap. I mean its about high time you and the rest of the Mass Effect 1 fans deal with the changes and STFU. 

If you're tired & sick of ME1 fans and their opinions then why not ignore this topic and/or avoid ones that are like this? Btw I alike all of yous are free to express your opinions and telling one to shut up is like telling yourself the same thing so if you don't like my own opinions then fine but telling me to shut up is rude and mannerless.

 

Mass Effect 1 was a poor shooter 

I agree but it really wasn't all about the darn shooter aspect of the game is was about the Story

  


there is a story in Mas Effect 2 as well 

[Computron2000]

The Mythical Magician wrote...

Xandurpein wrote...


What makes an RPG is Immersion, Story, Dice rolls, customization, statistics .

You Sir have never played an RPG.
<_<

Since you know PnP RPGs, LARPing should not be unknown to you. It is RP with no systems.

[The Mythical Magician]

wolfstanus wrote...

IM going to say this gain. This is a hybrid RPG. Hybrid Rpgs do not follow the same "rules" as standard rpgs.

So you're saying ME1 didn't have Dice rolls (which it obviously does have)?

[Sleepicub09]

ZennExile wrote...

Sleepicub09 wrote...

The Mythical Magician wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

The Mythical Magician wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

The Mythical Magician wrote...

I believe why ME2 failed for a good portion of us is because of Bioware's focus on the mainstream crowd though business wise it is prefect for making quick money but overall you guys lost some of your die hard fans on this switch of focus. I'm a fan of you guys and I love your work but ME2 disappointed me and many others. I hope on your next project you guys focus on giving your die hard fans a great game than trying to please every crowd out there.

ME2 is a great game but its not as great as its predecessor for the fact that the focus was different.
<_<

 


you need to speak for yourself because I am so sick and tired of you so called Mass Effect 1 elitist spewing your anti crap. I mean its about high time you and the rest of the Mass Effect 1 fans deal with the changes and STFU. 

If you're tired & sick of ME1 fans and their opinions then why not ignore this topic and/or avoid ones that are like this? Btw I alike all of yous are free to express your opinions and telling one to shut up is like telling yourself the same thing so if you don't like my own opinions then fine but telling me to shut up is rude and mannerless.

 

Mass Effect 1 was a poor shooter 

I agree but it really wasn't all about the darn shooter aspect of the game is was about the Story

now its about both so whats the problem

The shooter elements still suck...

no you just suck at them