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[Yazenia]

i love you.    i almost cried watching this scene  it was incredible that she actually admits it.    and sad when she decided to go away with the baby despite of that.  so my character told her , he will find her someday.

i really would love to see more of Morrigan in a future expansion.

[Spitz6860]

there is a very good chance that you will, either in an expansion or a sequel, i wouldn't worry too much about that.

[AntiChri5]

sequal.

[Helios969]

Yep. Some of the Morrigan haters would have you believe that she is nothing but an evil witch, but like all the companions she is layered and has a conflicting duality to her nature that can only be understood if one is willing to explore her thoroughly. The harsh mask she wears is to protect herself from emotions she has been taught are weakness. In the end, if played right, she gives into them.

[Zy-El]

Yeah, I noticed that too. Even with my HNF where there was no romance, I was able to get her to 100 approval (Friendly). Morrigan did open up with some very nice dialogue showing a vulnerability and sensitivity you don't normally see. In the final dialogue before the big battle with the ArchDemon, she was practically in tears saying goodbye. I actually felt sorry for her . . . and more determined to track her down.

[Zevais]

Zy-El wrote...

Yeah, I noticed that too. Even with my HNF where there was no romance, I was able to get her to 100 approval (Friendly). Morrigan did open up with some very nice dialogue showing a vulnerability and sensitivity you don't normally see. In the final dialogue before the big battle with the ArchDemon, she was practically in tears saying goodbye. I actually felt sorry for her . . . and more determined to track her down.

If you have sex with her (you need low approval and do it early on) and romance no one else, she does mention about when she met you and blah blah blah and you can tell that she does care for you romantically.

[blademaster7]

I felt bad for my character to be honest, not for Morrigan.

I realized that I spend 60+ hours so I can be a tool for Flemeth and her daughter. My character gets to live, yay... but he hasn't got any dignity left. I so wanted to destroy my PC that moment.

My next character went for the Ultimate sacrifice and since then I never looked back.

The Morrigan romance ending is a real kick to the teeth. I found it insulting after spending so much time and effort. I take roleplaying a bit serious sometimes but that's just me .

[Zy-El]

Zevais wrote...

Zy-El wrote...
Yeah, I noticed that too. Even with my HNF where there was no romance, I was able to get her to 100 approval (Friendly). Morrigan did open up with some very nice dialogue showing a vulnerability and sensitivity you don't normally see. In the final dialogue before the big battle with the ArchDemon, she was practically in tears saying goodbye. I actually felt sorry for her . . . and more determined to track her down.

If you have sex with her (you need low approval and do it early on) and romance no one else, she does mention about when she met you and blah blah blah and you can tell that she does care for you romantically.

My PC is female.   It is not possible for us to have sex.  Morrigan doesn't go *that* way even though my char does have a romance with Leliana.  

One of the dialogues I got into Morrigan with was quite interesting.  She mentioned how "shameful" it was that me and "that girl" were involved in a relationship and what I could possibly see in her.  And there must be some "extra reward" to being with her.  I answered "yes, there certainly is" to which Morrigan stammered a bit "I - I see."  I found that quite amusing.  I should have chosen the option "Feeling jealous?" but didn't want to tick her off since I already knew Morrigan doesn't like girls (in that way).

Modifié par Zy-El, 25 février 2010 - 04:17 .

[Kats_RK]

Zy-El wrote...

Zevais wrote...

Zy-El wrote...
Yeah, I noticed that too. Even with my HNF where there was no romance, I was able to get her to 100 approval (Friendly). Morrigan did open up with some very nice dialogue showing a vulnerability and sensitivity you don't normally see. In the final dialogue before the big battle with the ArchDemon, she was practically in tears saying goodbye. I actually felt sorry for her . . . and more determined to track her down.

If you have sex with her (you need low approval and do it early on) and romance no one else, she does mention about when she met you and blah blah blah and you can tell that she does care for you romantically.

My PC is female.   It is not possible for us to have sex.  Morrigan doesn't go *that* way even though my char does have a romance with Leliana.  

One of the dialogues I got into Morrigan with was quite interesting.  She mentioned how "shameful" it was that me and "that girl" were involved in a relationship and what I could possibly see in her.  And there must be some "extra reward" to being with her.  I answered "yes, there certainly is" to which Morrigan stammered a bit "I - I see."  I found that quite amusing.  I should have chosen the option "Feeling jealous?" but didn't want to tick her off since I already knew Morrigan doesn't like girls (in that way).

I must try that

[Helios969]

blademaster7 wrote...

I felt bad for my character to be honest, not for Morrigan.

I realized that I spend 60+ hours so I can be a tool for Flemeth and her daughter. My character gets to live, yay... but he hasn't got any dignity left. I so wanted to destroy my PC that moment.

My next character went for the Ultimate sacrifice and since then I never looked back.

The Morrigan romance ending is a real kick to the teeth. I found it insulting after spending so much time and effort. I take roleplaying a bit serious sometimes but that's just me .

Not sure I understand.  Are you upset that Morrigan left you, or that she used you to get what she wanted?  In the latter case, depending on the dialogue thread you travel, she say she is grateful for the friendship and a bit remorseful that she has to leave despite you rejecting the ritual.

Well, however you feel is right.  Morrigan seems to be the type of character players either love or hate.

[Schurge]

I like Morrigan because she is not evil, but I certainly wouldn't describe her as a particularly good person either (though in my opinion she is 'good' inside, good doesn't necassarily mean helping every townsperson with their problems).

My character was upset that she would ask him to do something she knew he would vehemently oppose... and than threatened to ask Loghain... my character wasn't about to send her to another man so he relented and he sired the anti-maker or whatever that 'thing' will end up being. Anyways... in II he is going to do his best to find her... he never promised not to... and he turned down the favor from the queen, offers of adventure from his companions, and any 'compensation' so he could devote himself to finding her again. Jack (dog) found a nice dead rat to give Morrigan when they find her (reference to a conversation she has with the dog).

Modifié par Schurge, 25 février 2010 - 06:55 .

[Janni-in-VA]

To me, Morrigan has been damaged, in a sense, by her upbringing. I wouldn't wish Flemeth as a mother on my worst enemy, although there does seem to be some genuine affection between them. She's also been strongly influenced by what she's observed in "...nature, red in tooth and claw." She's not an easy character, but then, neither is Sten, really. Unlike Alistair, Leliana and even Zevran who are basically quite open or Wynne who is very warm and maternal, Morrigan and Sten have a certain initial coldness that you need to get past in order to appreciate what the characters have to offer. I believe that one reason Morrigan leaves is that she's looking for a new place to bring up her baby, a place free from the influences of her own childhood, including Flemeth, if she still lives. Morrigan is "the cat that walks alone."

[Spitz6860]

blademaster7 wrote...

I felt bad for my character to be honest, not for Morrigan.

I realized that I spend 60+ hours so I can be a tool for Flemeth and her daughter. My character gets to live, yay... but he hasn't got any dignity left. I so wanted to destroy my PC that moment.

if you feel bad about that, never play Divinity 2:Ego Draconis, it will make you want to jump off a 10 story building

[blademaster7]

Helios969 wrote...

Not sure I understand.  Are you upset that Morrigan left you, or that she used you to get what she wanted?  In the latter case, depending on the dialogue thread you travel, she say she is grateful for the friendship and a bit remorseful that she has to leave despite you rejecting the ritual.

Well, however you feel is right.  Morrigan seems to be the type of character players either love or hate.

If I was reading a book or watching a movie then I'd definitely hate her. From a roleplaying perspective, however, I wouldn't say that. My character is dissapointed in her. He's a broken man with no dignity, but I wouldn't imagine him hating her.

If she doesn't want commitment then fine, no relationship is perfect and I'm certainly not forcing her to stay. But saying straight to your face that "I'm leaving you because I have no further use for you" is a direct kick to the balls.

And she even had the nerve to suggest Alistair as the alternative. I was really frustrated at first but after going through that part with different characters I realized that the same dialogue occurs no matter what, so I don't blame Morrigan, I blame the writers for making my Warden play completely out of character and making him look like an idiot. It just happens to be a plot-device. For any other type of playthrough I would consider it a brilliant twist, but for the current one I wouldn't say the same. It was insulting.

So basically what I'm trying to say is that If anyone deserves sympathy, that is my character and not Morrigan.

[Dave of Canada]

I didn't like Morrigan; nor did the romance interest me because I knew what would happen in the end. I was pleasantly surprised that her feelings for my character weren't a charade, I loved her ending simply because it's not all sunshine-and-rainbows.



I'll track her down, and when I do. I'll kill that demon spawn child, then we can work on a normal child instead.

[Feraele]

Zy-El wrote...

Zevais wrote...

Zy-El wrote...
Yeah, I noticed that too. Even with my HNF where there was no romance, I was able to get her to 100 approval (Friendly). Morrigan did open up with some very nice dialogue showing a vulnerability and sensitivity you don't normally see. In the final dialogue before the big battle with the ArchDemon, she was practically in tears saying goodbye. I actually felt sorry for her . . . and more determined to track her down.

If you have sex with her (you need low approval and do it early on) and romance no one else, she does mention about when she met you and blah blah blah and you can tell that she does care for you romantically.

My PC is female.   It is not possible for us to have sex.  Morrigan doesn't go *that* way even though my char does have a romance with Leliana.  

One of the dialogues I got into Morrigan with was quite interesting.  She mentioned how "shameful" it was that me and "that girl" were involved in a relationship and what I could possibly see in her.  And there must be some "extra reward" to being with her.  I answered "yes, there certainly is" to which Morrigan stammered a bit "I - I see."  I found that quite amusing.  I should have chosen the option "Feeling jealous?" but didn't want to tick her off since I already knew Morrigan doesn't like girls (in that way).

If you have high approval as a friend..not a lover with Morrigan and you are female..she tends to think of you as a sister.    Morrigan shows vulnerability if you trigger the right chatter with her.  

Thats why I don't understand all the hate toward her.  hehe  

She doesn't know about friendship when you first meet her.  Her mother taught her that beauty and love/romance are fleeting and the only thing that really counts is POWER and survival.

She has nothing to base anything off of..because she's been cooped up all her life with Flemeth's way of thinking.

Anything she learns about loyalty, friendship..comes from you the PC.    I sometimes think that people need to pay more attention to Morrigan ..what she's saying and facial expressions that go with it.

For instance if you talk about your mother, and state that you loved your mother, she gets this wistful sad expression that...pretty much lets you know that she wishes she had..had the same type of relationship with her mother.     But that was denied to her,  due to Flemeth and how she is.

[Fishy]

^^
Yeah
Whatever the character she basicly say the same stuff..
The only difference if you don't accept .. some dialogue option change .. Or when you accept .. The dialogue change.(Depending of your friendship status)


But for the most part.It's the same coldness .. Even if you have - 100 approval

The worst  .. If you accept the ritual  to be done by allistair and you romance Morrigan.She has sex with allistair in your BED.

THAT GROSS.

Modifié par Suprez30, 25 février 2010 - 09:25 .

[Helios969]

Dave of Canada wrote...

I didn't like Morrigan; nor did the romance interest me because I knew what would happen in the end. I was pleasantly surprised that her feelings for my character weren't a charade, I loved her ending simply because it's not all sunshine-and-rainbows.

I'll track her down, and when I do. I'll kill that demon spawn child, then we can work on a normal child instead.

Wait, you predicted before the final battle that Morrigan would ask to be impregnated so your character could survive, and then leave?  That would be very impressive.  I had no clue being so engrossed in the story.  Even after playing it through six times I haven't observed enough foreshadowing to indicate that she would leave.  That she had a hidden agenda, yes.  The leaving part, no.

[ejoslin]

Suprez30 wrote...

^^
Yeah
Whatever the character she basicly say the same stuff..
The only difference if you don't accept .. some dialogue option change .. Or when you accept .. The dialogue change.(Depending of your friendship status)


But for the most part.It's the same coldness .. Even if you have - 100 approval

The worst  .. If you accept the ritual  to be done by allistair and you romance Morrigan.She has sex with allistair in your BED.

THAT GROSS.

No, Morrigan tells Alistair they need to go some place more private.  

[Addai]

Dave of Canada wrote...

I didn't like Morrigan; nor did the romance interest me because I knew what would happen in the end. I was pleasantly surprised that her feelings for my character weren't a charade, I loved her ending simply because it's not all sunshine-and-rainbows.

I'll track her down, and when I do. I'll kill that demon spawn child, then we can work on a normal child instead.

You don't like her and you're going to kill her baby, but you think she will then want to have a child with you.  Charming.  What is it that Morrigan says?  "A man is always willing to believe two things about a woman..."

[Dr4g0nj4ck]

This made me so furious I had to start a new playthrough. And Shame on the writers for not giving you a dialogue option along the lines of "I'd rather die than never see you again." All that work and time and conversations and finally getting her to open up and she walks out.....Rage inducing...

[CybAnt1]

I know Dragon Age doesn't have an alignment system, like D & D, but if it did ... many people compare Morrigan to Viconia but I don't really see it.



Viconia was Chaotic Evil ... Morrigan, if I were to give her a D & D alignment ... is pretty much True Neutral. If you examine her responses, it's not that she wants to harm or hurt people, but she doesn't see much point in pointless do-goodery. She hates the Chantry, templars, etc. for their self-righteousness and foolish zealotry and clear lust for power (over mages) ... not because she's evil.



I believe her mother Flemeth is evil ... although that's hard to say. I admit being caught by surprise on my first playthrough when I found Flemeth's grimoire for Morrigan. How horrible, a being that "consumes" her children to become immortal. My initial reaction to Flemeth was she was a bit Mommy Dearest but that she wasn't a dark figure ... just misunderstood ... I mean, after all, it is HER idea for you to use the treaties, raise the army, and win the game! Does she give you the plan to defeat the Darkspawn and Archdemon just because she thinks they're a bigger threat, or is that a hint of ... goodness?



And the ending where you don't kill her is a bit ... curious. She suggests she might come later for Morrigan ... or might not. (And no, there is no game ending where she does). Perhaps she's become tired of this continual immortality at the expense of her own children. Sort of like Zathrian's "redemption" moment. Enough immortality at the expense of others. Or ... she will be back?



And yes, I know there are people who think either

a) Morrigan's decision to have a child with you is so she can "do the Flemeth" with it

and

Morrigan IS Flemeth, at some moment you never saw, Flemeth (if she lived) carried out her plan, and possessed Morrigan, who is now going forward with yet another child.



I guess we'll find out.

[NightmarezAbound]

One of the thing I was bummed about was she never came back to visit my tomb after dying killing the ArchDemon, even though the epilogue did say she left and may have been with child, even though I had not done the ritual. heck they could have had a dark haired woman was seen crying once by the Wardens gavesite holding a small child... c'mon BioWare!

[krylo]

Dr4g0nj4ck wrote...

This made me so furious I had to start a new playthrough. And Shame on the writers for not giving you a dialogue option along the lines of "I'd rather die than never see you again." All that work and time and conversations and finally getting her to open up and she walks out.....Rage inducing...

They do.  During the dark ritual talks.  When she mentions that she'll leave you can choose a conversation option that's something along the lines of "So I die or never see you again?  I don't see the difference."  Something cheesy like that.

Then she gets all sad faced, and I THINK she stammers, but it's been awhile.  My closest save to that is at Andraste's Ashes, and I don't remember if that was even my last 'first half' quest, so I can't exactly go back and check the specifics unfortunately, or I'd post up some screens.