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[guytza]

The one thing I cannot for the life of me figure out though.



How can the writers possibly create any further story involving the Dark Ritual ending. I mean, a baby with an old god soul? That has huge implications, like an entire sequel full. So by giving the player the choice of doing it or not you create an entire story that may or may not have happened. I'm sure they planned this out already and are just chomping at the bit to release it to blow our muddled and slightly fried minds.

I imagine we will all look like the guy in the arm chair from the memorex commercial.

[krylo]

By canonizing the dark ritual.

They've done it before in the KotoR series. Black Isle did it with Fallout 1 and 2. In fact the only game I can think of where player choices carried over to the sequel off the top of my head--as opposed to writing up a canon ending--was Mass Effect. And, really, it was kind of underwhelming in that regard.

I'm not sure why there's this belief that every player choice will be represented in the sequel.

I'm not sure why there's even a belief that further Dragon Age games will be direct sequels to Origins. The only loose plot thread remaining as of now is the God-Baby, most everything else is wrapped up in the epilogue cards. They could easily release Morrigan's story as another expansion pack, and make the next Dragon Age game take place in one of the prior blights, or during the Exalted March of the Dales, or five hudred years in the future, or any number of other stories that can be told in the world of Thedas that don't relate to Origins in any way beyond, perhaps, "Two Grey Wardens stopped the Fifth Blight before it could escape the country of Ferelden at the cost of the capital of Denerim."

Modifié par krylo, 09 mars 2010 - 12:18 .

[Ahisgewaya]

I would almost bet money that the PC in either the next game or a game down the road actually IS the god-baby. Almost.

[pmlour]

When you tell Morrigan you loved your mother and she is choked up,almost teary,it made me think she will try to be a better mother when she has the chance.

[Gold Dragon]

Most likely Canon:



Dark Ritual not taken: Morrigan goes to Orlais (known) and starts trying to instigate a war between Orlais & Ferelden, simply to try and destroy everything the PC stood for (including the memory of the PC, in the case of Ultimate Sacrifice).



Dark Ritual taken: Something went horribly wrong, and Morrigan goes to the Court to try to stir up enough trouble to draw the PC there, and deal with the Demon-child.

[Brockololly]

Basically I think that regardless of whether or not you did the Ritual, the Old God Baby is just a means to an end for Morrigan. Whatever she has planned is bigger than the Old God Baby alone- so maybe its a little easier to accomplish with the Old God Baby, but given her stubborn personality, whatever it is she has planned will likely go ahead regardless of the Ritual, maybe just in a slightly different form.

[UpiH]

guytza wrote...

The one thing I cannot for the life of me figure out though.

How can the writers possibly create any further story involving the Dark Ritual ending. I mean, a baby with an old god soul? That has huge implications, like an entire sequel full. So by giving the player the choice of doing it or not you create an entire story that may or may not have happened. I'm sure they planned this out already and are just chomping at the bit to release it to blow our muddled and slightly fried minds.
I imagine we will all look like the guy in the arm chair from the memorex commercial.

Methinks Bioware is quite adept at that considering for example the Baldur's Gate saga that evolves around a horde of God-children.

[baldmop]

The romantic in me says that the sequel can have you looking for Morrigan showing her what love is all about . I could imagine the fireworks though and rebuilding her approval her we go again .

[Sarah1281]

That would be problematic if it would be a major plot point because most players (assuming that they didn't get themselves killed and thus can't be in the sequel) eithe sacrificed Loghain or Alistair, are female, romanced Leliana or Zevran instead, or are willing to honor their agreement to let her go in exchange for not dying.

[Ahisgewaya]

I romanced Morrigan and followed her at the end. I hate it when people say "most players did this".

You have absolutely no idea what most players did. Stop assuming you can read people's mind (you can't by the way).

[Sarah1281]

I'm not assuming anything about the players that romanced Morrigan. It just stands to reaon that of all of the people who have played the game, the people whose main playthrough involved romancing Morrigan and then following her would be in the minority when compared to all the people who did anything else combined (again, played as a girl, did not do ritual, did not romane her, was willing to let her go, ect.) I do understand that many people who romanced her did feel the need to chase her all over Thedas.

Modifié par Sarah1281, 11 mars 2010 - 02:34 .

[Xandurpein]

I really enjoyed Morrigan's romance and I honestly think that it is perfect the way it is. Sometimes happy endings aren't the best or the most powerful. The amazing bittersweet ending to Morrigan's romance is so much more fitting than a possible happy-ever-aftering.

[CybAnt1]

That's just it. The romance, if you romanced her, isn't over. She left you with a ring that establishes a psychic bond with her. I know she said "never see me or the child again" but people change their minds, maybe even some game event will make her change her mind and she asks for you again. It might or might not be over. The epilogue provides no happy ending, but I don't see it as ruling one out. It really depends on her story arc.



Even if you didn't romance her, the alternative story arcs that have her carrying some GWs baby (Alistair's, Loghain's, ... ?) ... are not over either. A child is going to figure into future DA sequels eventually. I see it becoming canon, even if you chose no option whatsoever for her to end up preggers in the epilogue.



Make no mistake: she will tell you Flemeth sent her with you & Alistair to GET PREGNANT. That was agenda #1. And whatever you may think of yourself, she probably favors you only because a) you're not a templar which she hates and you're not Alistair, whose personality she hates. But, she'll even overcome her revulsion and sleep with him anyway at DR-point.

[Ahisgewaya]

Sarah1281 wrote...

I'm not assuming anything about the players that romanced Morrigan. It just stands to reaon that of all of the people who have played the game, the people whose main playthrough involved romancing Morrigan and then following her would be in the minority when compared to all the people who did anything else combined (again, played as a girl, did not do ritual, did not romane her, was willing to let her go, ect.) I do understand that many people who romanced her did feel the need to chase her all over Thedas.

As the one who followed her was my mage, I doubt I'll have to chase her all over Thedas. I'd just use the enchantment on the ring to track her down. And one of my characters romanced her but didn't follow her, but I felt bad about that. Why? Because she is in a great deal of trouble and I don't think she even knows it. Flemeth will be coming after her as soon as she is able to. Also having a child with the soul of an old God brings about its own challenges.

I see what you mean about statistically speaking there are more choices related to not following her than following her. I just really didn't like the way you worded it the first time.

[Ahisgewaya]

CybAnt1 wrote...
Make no mistake: she will tell you Flemeth sent her with you & Alistair to GET PREGNANT. That was agenda #1. And whatever you may think of yourself, she probably favors you only because a) you're not a templar which she hates and you're not Alistair, whose personality she hates. But, she'll even overcome her revulsion and sleep with him anyway at DR-point.

That's not true at all. She liked my character quite a great deal (unless game statistics lie). But even if you don't pay attention to the little bar underneath her and think that Bioware is lying to you, there is still the matter of her conversations. At the end of the game she was very clear with my character that she loves me, even being angry that she now had to leave. I said "I love you" at the end and she says I've made it very difficult for her to leave but she feels she has no choice. She doesn't say why she feels the need to leave, but she looks genuinely heartbroken in that scene. And by then you should be able to tell when she is genuinely sad and when she is faking it.

She is not a cold blooded monster despite what some of you beleive. She is a girl who has been hurt and used for most of her life. She is also very intelligent and strong willed. The comic that has just been released should also show you how deeply her affection for you runs, even if you're not her romance. You are at the very least the ONLY friend she's ever had.

Modifié par Ahisgewaya, 12 mars 2010 - 01:33 .

[CybAnt1]

You're missing my point. She will reveal to you in her DR-conversation that:



a) she was sent by Flemeth to join you & Alistair NOT to help you with her spells against the Blight but to GET PREGNANT. THAT was THE PLAN. Why does she sleep with you so soon in her romance? Dude, SHE WANTS YOUR BABY.

she reveals to you that she slept with you for that reason, but yes, she did develop real feelings for you along the way (so no, the "Adore" bar ain't lying), and yes she regrets having to hurt you.



I agree with you: the comic, which represents a cut scene, shows she isn't cold hearted, she is agonizing over the decision to do the DR (for whatever reasons).



I'm just saying -- the romance isn't "unreal," she really did love you - ok she won't use that word but lets say "strong like", but the reason she sleeps with you so early is because she was on a mission, literally, to get pregnant from a Gray Warden... you preferred, but another if it has to be.



I suspect we're not going to get the full answers about either Flemeth or Morrigan or the DR for a while - so these threads will go on for a while - but there's no doubt in my mind - this story arc is heading somewhere. Whether it's happy for you, her, the god-baby, and Thedas, we have yet to find out. The resolution of the romance, if there was one, is tied into the resolution of the story arc.

[Thor Rand Al]

That comic cut-scene definitely puts a whole different perspective on Morrigan. It definitely changed my perspective of her. Morrigan is someone who you will never be able to figure out. Just when you think you've gotten her figured out she goes n does the complete opposite.

[Sabriana]

I can see that from the DE or the dwarf perspective the god-baby doesn't invoke the threatening aspects as it does in the HN, or even CE. It really all depends on the RPing. A dalish elf could care less about the human population, and because they do have their own mages, might even understand Morrigan better. The dwarfs fight darkspawn on a regular basis ("Your nightmare is my every-day"), and a blight actually is a reprieve for them.

None of my PCs dislike Morrigan. They just all couldn't get over the fact that she turns so predatory and refuses to explain to them exactly why they should talk Alistair/Loghain into the ritual. I'm also not too sure about Flemeth. All my PCs killed her when Morrigan asks them to, but is she really dead? Why was she so blase about handing over her grimoire? What implications will that have for Morrigan, her baby, and the world of Thedas?

I don't think Morrigan has the antisocial personality disorder. She doesn't see other people as 'things' which is routine for those stricken with the disorder. I even understand where her disapprovings come from most of the time, she has her reasons. She pleads for others. She snarks at the demon in the fade (Connor), she never disapproved of my PC saving Amelia (Stone Prisoner), nor did she say a peep when my PC gave the little boy and the elven family in Lothering money.

I just wish the character acted a bit different when talking about the ritual. It could still me a moral dilemma, even if Morrigan would not be portrayed as so very cold and predatory. It feels OOC to me, simply because all my PCs like her.