Is this a good tactic to use?
I've got two mages and two melee so I'm planning on keeping the melee guys out of the fight as much as possible.
I've heard that Storm of the Century can wipe out an entire screen full of enemies, but would it work on the High Dragon?
If so that would be an awesome range tactic to go with, right? Wouldn't have to fanny about with all that melee stuff.
Storm of the century on high dragon?
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Posté 25 février 2010 - 01:13
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Do you mean that it gets resisted at higher levels?
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Posté 25 février 2010 - 01:15
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Yes & No. They'll just move out of the area & come after you for damaging them. That's what the AI is programed to do.
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Posté 25 février 2010 - 01:24
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'They'? I believe you only fight one high dragon at a time. But if I'm understanding correctly, the dragon will do it's jumpy thing to get away? How about keeping it in place using paralyze and mass paralysis?
I have two mages so one can be keeping it pinned down while the other launches the storm. Do I get a maybe?
I have two mages so one can be keeping it pinned down while the other launches the storm. Do I get a maybe?
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Posté 25 février 2010 - 01:26
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Paralyze on orange level chracter is generally resisted untill it's very low on health. But you could give it a try. I doubt you'll be able to paralyze the high dragon.
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Posté 25 février 2010 - 01:30
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Damn. It was a nice idea.
So what's the max level I should try it at then?
So what's the max level I should try it at then?
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Posté 25 février 2010 - 01:35
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It's helpful to take out all those ranged archers that shoot scattershots at nightmare. Its also useful for taking out enemies in rooms that haven't detected you or are out of range. Even the high level enemies will fall. Unfortunetly with the high dragon you are always at range and always visible. Although some reckon there are areas the high dragon won't come to, but it hasn't worked for me. So I just hit & run as a ranged character & let my companions keep the beast busy till I unleash whatever attack I have available, before I have to run again.
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Posté 25 février 2010 - 01:43
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Interesting: A couple more questions if I may...
1. if the enemies haven't become 'active' (ie are round a corner) does casting AOE spells actually damage them? I always assumed not so I've been sending a stealth rogue in first to 'activate' the enemies before trying to engage.
2. If the SOTC is a bit dodgy against the high dragon, would it work on the brood mother? That thing cant move...
3. Could a high dragon tactic be to send your tank to occupy the dragon and grab agro, then force field your tank before throwing the storm down? The idea being that the dragon's focus would remain on the tank meaning it won't move away from the storm. Hopefully the tank would survive long enough to severly damage to dragon. I can then revive him to finish the job.
1. if the enemies haven't become 'active' (ie are round a corner) does casting AOE spells actually damage them? I always assumed not so I've been sending a stealth rogue in first to 'activate' the enemies before trying to engage.
2. If the SOTC is a bit dodgy against the high dragon, would it work on the brood mother? That thing cant move...
3. Could a high dragon tactic be to send your tank to occupy the dragon and grab agro, then force field your tank before throwing the storm down? The idea being that the dragon's focus would remain on the tank meaning it won't move away from the storm. Hopefully the tank would survive long enough to severly damage to dragon. I can then revive him to finish the job.
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Posté 25 février 2010 - 01:47
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1. Yes. If you or your party can detect them.
2. Yes.
3. Grab attack doesn't last that long. But you can give it go & see how much damage it does.
I just use small damage like arcane bolt on the high dragon as a mage. That way it never comes after you till all your companions are dead, and you can do constant damge to the dragon. As long as you keep your companions alive, it just a matter of time.
2. Yes.
3. Grab attack doesn't last that long. But you can give it go & see how much damage it does.
I just use small damage like arcane bolt on the high dragon as a mage. That way it never comes after you till all your companions are dead, and you can do constant damge to the dragon. As long as you keep your companions alive, it just a matter of time.
Modifié par jsachun, 25 février 2010 - 01:48 .
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Posté 25 février 2010 - 01:52
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Thanks for all the advice. I have killed it several times on previous runs but I just wanted to make the most of having a mage heavy group.
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Posté 25 février 2010 - 09:53
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edit: ok, nvm 
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Posté 25 février 2010 - 11:05
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SotC is awesome against Broodmother. I used it and it killed all the tentales, all the darkspawn, all my companions and took the broodmother down to 10-15% health. All in a matter of 40 seconds or so. I then used Starfang to finish her off.
Anyway, it's not great for the High Dragon as it will simply move closer to you, but it is awesome against the Archdemon when it moves out of range.
Anyway, it's not great for the High Dragon as it will simply move closer to you, but it is awesome against the Archdemon when it moves out of range.
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Posté 25 février 2010 - 11:06
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btw, has anyone cast SotC and had one of their party memebers stuck in it and died. This can be really annoying when they try to revive after the battle is over and it kills them over and over again and adds like 5 injuries to them. Funny though.
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Posté 26 février 2010 - 05:08
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jsachun wrote...
Paralyze on orange level chracter is generally resisted untill it's very low on health. But you could give it a try. I doubt you'll be able to paralyze the high dragon.
If you boost spellpower you can easily paralyze the high dragon and it will not resist most other spells either.
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Posté 26 février 2010 - 07:51
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jsachun wrote...
Paralyze on orange level chracter is generally resisted untill it's very low on health. But you could give it a try. I doubt you'll be able to paralyze the high dragon.
It is very possible to paralyze the High Dragon for a whooping 3 seconds and that's with spell might and spellpower equipment boosts (like Reapers vestments...) for my PC mage enjoy...
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Posté 26 février 2010 - 08:48
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BlazingSpeed wrote...
jsachun wrote...
Paralyze on orange level chracter is generally resisted untill it's very low on health. But you could give it a try. I doubt you'll be able to paralyze the high dragon.
It is very possible to paralyze the High Dragon for a whooping 3 seconds and that's with spell might and spellpower equipment boosts (like Reapers vestments...) for my PC mage enjoy...
Spell power is only a small component to working out Spell Resistence of a character.
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Posté 26 février 2010 - 09:08
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I have never tried it against a dragon before, but you could stack electric resistance on your tank, send him in to taunt the dragon and then dump SotC right on top of him. Seems like it would work out. Just afflection and vulnerability hex the dragon first because he has a lot of resistances.
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Posté 26 février 2010 - 09:15
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I don't think it's possible to deal with spell resistance. Your spell just gets resisted or not, which is one of the hazards of nightmare.
Mental/Physical resistance checks, you mean.
Mental/Physical resistance checks, you mean.
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Posté 26 février 2010 - 09:26
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well i managed to get the highdragon stuck behind the pilar on the slope. That certainly made me use the storm of the century but then the dragon jumpt out of the way
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Posté 27 février 2010 - 05:01
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If you can get the High Dragon to focus on a single target, then it will not move. You could try to hold aggro on a warrior.
But I found that a Shapeshifter can keep the Dragons attention by itself as a Bear/Spider and the Dragon will not move. Bear seems to work best, but if you could do this then drop SoTC and FF onthe BEar you could probably do it.
Just make sure the other 3 teammates do not get too close and are just in range. I found that if they move in too tight the Dragon will have a greater chance of jumping spots.
I've held the Dragon from moving using a Bear so I know it works. I just kept it healed and didn't have to use FF. If you are gonna drop SoTC, I'd definitely toss up FF though. My only worry would be the dragon moving once the Bear gets hit with FF. It may register as a non threat and move on.
But I found that a Shapeshifter can keep the Dragons attention by itself as a Bear/Spider and the Dragon will not move. Bear seems to work best, but if you could do this then drop SoTC and FF onthe BEar you could probably do it.
Just make sure the other 3 teammates do not get too close and are just in range. I found that if they move in too tight the Dragon will have a greater chance of jumping spots.
I've held the Dragon from moving using a Bear so I know it works. I just kept it healed and didn't have to use FF. If you are gonna drop SoTC, I'd definitely toss up FF though. My only worry would be the dragon moving once the Bear gets hit with FF. It may register as a non threat and move on.
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Posté 27 février 2010 - 05:18
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There's a spot somewhere underneath the dragon's "perch", between the ruined tower thing (with the chests) and the wide open area, where the dragon will never hop into. I spread my ranged characters out in that region (to avoid more damage from the dragon's fireballs) and try to position them so that, if the dragon does the wing buffet pull attack, they can move behind one of those jutting mini sulfur volcanoes (whatever they're called 
) to avoid getting pulled.
My point being, from this vantage point, the dragon only occasionally hops between two locations, in my experience, so casting a SotC could be fairly effective.
) to avoid getting pulled.My point being, from this vantage point, the dragon only occasionally hops between two locations, in my experience, so casting a SotC could be fairly effective.
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Posté 01 mars 2010 - 12:57
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jsachun wrote...
BlazingSpeed wrote...
jsachun wrote...
Paralyze on orange level chracter is generally resisted untill it's very low on health. But you could give it a try. I doubt you'll be able to paralyze the high dragon.
It is very possible to paralyze the High Dragon for a whooping 3 seconds and that's with spell might and spellpower equipment boosts (like Reapers vestments...) for my PC mage enjoy...
Spell power is only a small component to working out Spell Resistence of a character.
I disagree, with high spellpower there is a very noticeable difference in the effectiveness of your spells on elite bosses, and boss characters.
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Posté 01 mars 2010 - 01:22
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I've tried doing this now and it did work - to a point.
I sent my tank in to grab agro and then force fielded him. Then launched SOTC and the dragon sat there soaking it up. But even with a vun hex it only dropped him by about 25% health once the storm was over. A little disappointing but it softened the bugger up at least.
It was a lot more effective against the brood mother but it took 3 SOTC to kill her. I positioned my group on one of the paths behind her which seemed to be out of reach of the tenticles. Was pretty easy.
I sent my tank in to grab agro and then force fielded him. Then launched SOTC and the dragon sat there soaking it up. But even with a vun hex it only dropped him by about 25% health once the storm was over. A little disappointing but it softened the bugger up at least.
It was a lot more effective against the brood mother but it took 3 SOTC to kill her. I positioned my group on one of the paths behind her which seemed to be out of reach of the tenticles. Was pretty easy.
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Posté 01 mars 2010 - 05:22
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ComplexP wrote...
I've tried doing this now and it did work - to a point.
I sent my tank in to grab agro and then force fielded him. Then launched SOTC and the dragon sat there soaking it up. But even with a vun hex it only dropped him by about 25% health once the storm was over. A little disappointing but it softened the bugger up at least.
It was a lot more effective against the brood mother but it took 3 SOTC to kill her. I positioned my group on one of the paths behind her which seemed to be out of reach of the tenticles. Was pretty easy.
You must not have a very big spellpower. I used it on the broodmother and killed everyone in the area, darkspawn, tntacles and all my companions, and took her down to about 10-15% health with a single cast. Even my AW with shimmering shield active had to run the hell out of the area because he was losing health so fast.
How much damage was it doing per tick? Mine was doing about 90.
