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[TurbanSoviet]

if ME2 was about a reaper invasion what then was the point of stopping saren and soveriegn


it makes no sense so it would have been poorer writing

Modifié par TurbanSoviet, 25 février 2010 - 10:58 .

[MPSai]

Really? I thought the writing was even better in this one. The interactions between the characters were more in depth, more believable. There were only two points of the story I had any problem with at all: the plot contrivance when Shepard inexplicably takes the ENTIRE TEAM off the Normandy (were they going out for a pizza party or what?) and the goofy final boss. Even the final boss I can understand though, people would have complained there was no real final boss if it wasn't there.

[TJSolo]

Omega-202 wrote...

TJSolo wrote...

And a smart person argues their point with several attacks on a person, noted.

I've never made a claim that I wasn't condescending.  If you want to insult the logic or content of my posts, make your point.  If you want to reprimand me for belittling the OP's ignorance, then just say so.  Two very different things.  

Its not hard to look down on someone who is too lazy or too stupid to type out the word "to" in at least 50% of his posts.  Combined with his aggressive ignorance, he deserves no respect.  

You're turning it into an attack on the quality of how something was said and attacking him.
You're name calling and insulting someones typing and grammatical skills, that is not the topic of the thread.
The TOS states this is an English only board and that people need to communicate their ideas as well as they can, it doesn't say every post needs to adhere to AMA style.

Being an electronic media one will be subjected to various forms of abbreviations none of which indicate laziness or stupidity if a post has some.

If you want to harass him because of his typing or because he isn't using English as correctly as you would, do so but realize you are violating the TOS

[Nikitn]

Omega-202 wrote...

Nikitn wrote...

ThePatriot101 wrote...



Don't you know Niktin that you can't really have consecutive stories which involve saving the galaxy on a grand scale against the same enemy every single time? That makes Shepard less the SpecOps solider s/he is and more the galaxy's babysitter.



You can do one of two things:



1. You vary the overall storyline between titles so you can see both stuff on the grand scale and the down-to-Earth scale.

2. You keep increasing the scale of the story.



Mass Effect 2 did the former, and as for an example of the latter I would have to use the anime "Gurren Lagann" (not a smart example but certainly illustrates the point).



If Mass Effect were to have you blatantly save the galaxy time after time again on the grand scale, you are basically trading in additional substance in favor of looking up instead of down. Mass Effect 2 may not have had the same grade of grand scale storytelling as part of the first one (because ME1 wasn't always about stopping the Reapers), but it gives you a window into stuff that happens on the down-to-Earth scale.

No. ME1 saving-the-galixy was just the beginning. In ME2 the Reapers were supposed to launch the invasion. Instead we got some sidestory.

Please, I beg of you, look at other Sci-Fi / Fantasy movie trilogies.



Look at the Matrix. Look at Star Wars. Look at Pirates of the Caribbean. Look at Lord of the Rings. Look at Halo. Look at ANYTHING.



The big battle NEVER happens in the second one. The second in the trilogy is always a character story with a large scale counter strike and preparations for the final battle.





If BioWare wasted the Reaper invasion of ME2, WHAT would they have used for ME3?





I'm thoroughly convinced that you simply aren't intelligent. An answer of "No." with no intelligent backing isn't the way a smart person argues their point. Your last response should solidify your standing as either a troll or a moron.

Well I usually don't answer trolls, but to make you be quiet:



Nope. The reaper invasion was simply supposed to get started in ME2. Conclusion would be ME3. Look at Star wars (several large battles, war continues - in me2 it hasn't started). Look at the Matrix (several large battles, war continues - in me2 it hasn't started). Look at the Lord of the Rings (several large battles, war continues - in me2 it hasn't started). Look at Halo (several large battles, war continues - in me2 it hasn't started).



Dunno why you brought up Pirates of the Carribiean (or even LOTR for that matter), but it is the same.



Also, you seem to be confusing charector development with recruiting a bunch of random people and then do some random attack and make a small dent into the reaper armada.



Definition of charector development:



http://www.google.no...le&ved=0CAYQkAE



Unless you think making Shepard glow red is charector development, you are wrong.

[Nikitn]

ivan.inverse wrote...

Nikitn, you were a goddamned idiot in the first couple of threads and you're a goddamned idiot now.

lol nerd rage.

[MPSai]

@Nikitn: Yeah but facing the Reapers in 2 would be like the Ring being destroyed in Two Towers. Then what?



If the Reapers invaded fullscale in ME2 and were somehow defeated they would have to come up with something BIGGER than a race of unstoppable, nigh-on-invincible, incomprehensible, elder-god apocalypse bio-synthentic machines for ME3. What the hell would Shepard fight then? God?

[Nikitn]

Who said they would be defeated? The fight goes on. The reapers either are at the edge of victory in ME2 (like in the matrix, Halo2), or have been struck a serious blow (Star wars 5, LOTR 2), but do not give up.This is at least how I wanted it to be after playing ME1 :-/

Modifié par Nikitn, 25 février 2010 - 11:19 .

[Nikitn]

ivan.inverse wrote...

Nikitn wrote...

ivan.inverse wrote...

Nikitn, you were a goddamned idiot in the first couple of threads and you're a goddamned idiot now.

lol nerd rage.

Add "nerd rage" to the list of things you don't know.

Nerd rage: http://www.urbandict...?term=Nerd Rage check out paragraph 2.

Modifié par Nikitn, 25 février 2010 - 11:21 .

[Garrus117]

Just my opinion, I feel it went this way.



Im not sure what it was but Mass Effect 2's story just didn't grip me like the first game's story did.



I think for the current time, most people will find it hard to look back because of their own hype for the game is overpowering opinion right now but I just feel that the game took place over like 3 days for some reason, where as the first mass effect had you chasing Saren and failing multiple times to kill or catch him.



Also that the Mako or Hammerhead was not part of the main story has removed some length of missions considerably in my opinion.

[contown]

Well, he's right. The plot WAS incredibly weak. character driven or not. But the middle act is always the worst in trilogies, so I'm still hopeful that ME3 won't be as bad.

[newcomplex]

Inarai wrote...

Reading comprehension, you need it - the post I was responding to was an appeal to popularity with regard to quality, not with regard to how many people were going to purchase it.  Not a valid use.  A vaild use is, frankly, when the argument itself is about popularity.  Which this is NOT.

Grow yourself a few more neural connections, and stop thinking insult make your argument look anything other than pathetic - and yes, I do appreciate the irony of how I said that.

lol do you have down syndrome

This is what you responded to:

Gill Kaiser wrote...

Your opinion is in the minority. Suck it up.

nowhere did he assert your opinion was incorrect/correct.    He said it was a minority, hence, you have to suck it
up, because Bioware will cater to the masses, the latter being implied.     

Insult neither deminishes nor enhances the validity of argument.    I'm simply rediculing you for behaving as if you were dropped on the head repeatedly as a child.   Unless you want to explain to me how the above quote was talking about the quality of ME2, or the validity of the opinion.   No, the only thing it references is the popularity of your/the OP's opinion.     So stfu retard.     Go eat poop or something.



Also, Good Job Niktn.   Decent troll, I give 6/10.    No originality, very little meta, very little humor.    But still, delivers results.    I loled.     Be proud in that score, I am a very unsatiable critic

Modifié par newcomplex, 25 février 2010 - 11:35 .

[Tekyu]

Nikitn wrote...

Considering how basic the story has become (compared to last time) and the fact that shooting is 90% of the game.

But then again you don't need to have a logical story, have a good lore (like the 1 created in ME1) or follow established laws of physics to attract the shooter crowd, who doesn't care about anything but shooting.

For me, I wanted a good RPG sequel who builds (not destroys) on lore from the original, as well as making a good and fresh story.

What I got was Mass Effect 2.. Lame <_<

Ohhhhhhhhhhhh.... you again. Ah, elequent as ever and still deeply driven to disappointment.

If I was as unsatisfied as you were, I'd just email them and give the "break-up" speech of "It's not me, it's you... etc." and move on. What happened? Did your Mogwai get wet while you were playing and now you bear a grudge against Bioware?

[MPSai]

Nikitn wrote...

Who said they would be defeated? The fight goes on. The reapers either are at the edge of victory in ME2 (like in the matrix, Halo2), or have been struck a serious blow (Star wars 5, LOTR 2), but do not give up.This is at least how I wanted it to be after playing ME1 :-/

But even in a trilogy each entry needs to stand alone with its own beginning, middle and end. Would you want ME2 to just end on a cliff hanger with the reapers in the middle of their destruction? It wouldn't be satisfying. Not to mention not everyone in the world is going to play these games in order, or play them all, each game has to stand alone and has to have a solid conclusion. The reapers were still in play in ME2, and the main horde are approaching the galaxy. It would take them a long time to get to the Milky Way from dark space, they're likely thousands or millions of lightyears out.

[TJSolo]

MPSai wrote...

@Nikitn: Yeah but facing the Reapers in 2 would be like the Ring being destroyed in Two Towers. Then what?

If the Reapers invaded fullscale in ME2 and were somehow defeated they would have to come up with something BIGGER than a race of unstoppable, nigh-on-invincible, incomprehensible, elder-god apocalypse bio-synthentic machines for ME3. What the hell would Shepard fight then? God?

Would have and could haves, lack definition but I will play along.

ME2 could have had the reaper fight with a resolution leading to ME3

 A) the Reapers were wiping out life every 50k years to protect existence from a bigger threat(ala Gurren Lagan)
  the fight with the Reapers starts in ME2 but extends into ME3
 C) After the fight with the Reapers some race in ME3 makes a push to dominate the galaxy
 D) The Reapers are successful in their ME2 attack, assualt Earth, and ME3 starts there.


Well there are some ideas, but all are moot since would haves and could haves don't count.

I also suspect Bioware has a pretty good idea how ME3 ends and ME2 was just used as a pebble to help get there.

[DaBigDragon]

This is the second part of a trilogy. The story is the very deep characters, and I like it. Makes me look forward to the third game.

[MPSai]

TJSolo wrote...

MPSai wrote...

@Nikitn: Yeah but facing the Reapers in 2 would be like the Ring being destroyed in Two Towers. Then what?

If the Reapers invaded fullscale in ME2 and were somehow defeated they would have to come up with something BIGGER than a race of unstoppable, nigh-on-invincible, incomprehensible, elder-god apocalypse bio-synthentic machines for ME3. What the hell would Shepard fight then? God?

Would have and could haves, lack definition but I will play along.

ME2 could have had the reaper fight with a resolution leading to ME3

 A) the Reapers were wiping out life every 50k years to protect existence from a bigger threat(ala Gurren Lagan)
  the fight with the Reapers starts in ME2 but extends into ME3
 C) After the fight with the Reapers some race in ME3 makes a push to dominate the galaxy
 D) The Reapers are successful in their ME2 attack, assualt Earth, and ME3 starts there.


Well there are some ideas, but all are moot since would haves and could haves don't count.

I also suspect Bioware has a pretty good idea how ME3 ends and ME2 was just used as a pebble to help get there.

A) Nah that would create plotholes. It's already been established in ME1 that the Reapers are interested in controlling the evolution of organic life and then harvesting them and all of their resources.
Like I said to someone else each entry into a trilogy needs a clear beginning middle and end and has to stand on its own. A cliffhanger like that would give ME2 an unsatisfying conclusion.
C) Not a bad idea, however I think it would seem a bit anti-climatic after fighting the Reapers.
D) Then the only way they'd be able to be defeated is through some deus ex machina and it would be kinda lame.

Modifié par MPSai, 25 février 2010 - 11:35 .

[TJSolo]

MPSai wrote...

Nikitn wrote...

Who said they would be defeated? The fight goes on. The reapers either are at the edge of victory in ME2 (like in the matrix, Halo2), or have been struck a serious blow (Star wars 5, LOTR 2), but do not give up.This is at least how I wanted it to be after playing ME1 :-/

But even in a trilogy each entry needs to stand alone with its own beginning, middle and end. Would you want ME2 to just end on a cliff hanger with the reapers in the middle of their destruction? It wouldn't be satisfying. Not to mention not everyone in the world is going to play these games in order, or play them all, each game has to stand alone and has to have a solid conclusion. The reapers were still in play in ME2, and the main horde are approaching the galaxy. It would take them a long time to get to the Milky Way from dark space, they're likely thousands or millions of lightyears out.

ME is going to be a trilogy, not seeing or partaking in part of the trilogy effects the story. While Bioware has made it not mandatory to play ME1 before ME2, Bioware still markets ME as being a story based on your decision across the trilogy.

If someone is playing ME2 but choices not to play ME1, then overall story would seem less important to that player.

Speaking of cliffhanger. ME1 and ME2 both ended with a cliffhanger, sadly it was the same one.

[Ahalazar]

Ah yes, Bioware.



But on topic. Do you honestly think Bioware will answer your "indirect" question?



"Yeah, we fired 5 of our best writers"

Ahem... *cough*



There's nothing weak to the story. Reapers use the Collectors to harvest human lives without atracting the attention of the Alliance in Citadel Space (Their first mistake in ME1).

Their second mistake in ME1, the usage of the Geth, who brought everyone up on their feet since these guys are rogue AI, almost wiped out the Quarians and the Alliance soldiers grew up wathing Terminator vids.

ME2 focuses on the mystery of the Collectors and what they're doing. Don't tell me you weren't surprised when you found out who they are and what they were building...

Anyways, without going on and on. ME1 story was genius because it was completly original (in my opinion), ME2 is a sequel based on that great story. I find it very interesting and it kept me wanting to find out more 'till I finished the game.

My oppinion, ... next!

[MPSai]

TJSolo wrote...

Speaking of cliffhanger. ME1 and ME2 both ended with a cliffhanger, sadly it was the same one.

That wasn't so much a cliffhanger as it was a teaser for the next game. A cliffhanger would be if you went through the Omega 4 Relay and the screen suddenly went blank and said "To Be Continued" and then the credits rolled. ME2 still had a solid ending.

Since the Reapers can't use the Citadel relay to get to the Milky Way they have to fly through space to get there, and since they're OUTSIDE of the galaxy it's naturally going to take them a while. 

[TJSolo]

Ahalazar wrote...

There's nothing weak to the story. Reapers use the Collectors to harvest human lives without atracting the attention of the Alliance in Citadel Space (Their first mistake in ME1).
Their second mistake in ME1, the usage of the Geth, who brought everyone up on their feet since these guys are rogue AI, almost wiped out the Quarians and the Alliance soldiers grew up wathing Terminator vids.
ME2 focuses on the mystery of the Collectors and what they're doing. Don't tell me you weren't surprised when you found out who they are and what they were building...

You say something about Terminator vids and then want to say what the Collectors were buiding was surprising.
It was horrible soylent green, not surprising. Trite, yes.
I was more interested in what the Collectors were except that part of the story was a quick and not delved into.

Modifié par TJSolo, 25 février 2010 - 11:56 .

[Shinji Ex]

Western RPG always have generic stories ME1 was no different as well as ME2. But WRPG are not about the story there about game play an character interaction an choices that effect the world an outcome.