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[crimzontearz]

I must start with the premise that I never let anyone die in my playthroughs...but many, I see, try to precisely remove (read kill) the squaddies they dislike....which made me notice something. If you pay attention to the patterns you can see Bioware paving the way for a safe passage for some characters into ME3....and making it plain some are meant to return only as cameos.

take miranda...even if disloyal she is virtually unkillable in the suicide mission, to the point that the only safe way to kill her off is to take her to the suicide mission while disloyal. Take even the seeker swarm segment...the only way to let her die then is to make the game bug out and make the other squaddie vanish....and even then she reappears at the end of the sequence alive and well. She can't even be picked for the vent run even if she has tech skills (and thus can't die there)


now take characters like legion, Mordin, Tali or Thane....they can die before the Normandy Lands, they can die performing their tasks, they can die if you pick the wrong fireteam leader or worse even RANDOMLY.

I'm just saying Bioware is making clear who they "wanted" to survive and made sure that short of runs intended to end in a bloodbath most playthrougs would end with them alive...perhaps to justify a full fledged return in ME3

[Ieldra]

I certainly hope your reasoning proves true!

[Vaenier]

That is wierd, because Legion and Tali are much more important characters than Miranda.

I disagree with your argument.

[crimzontearz]

sorry I meant "take her to the final boss while disloyal"

[Markinator_123]

i want Miranda back as a squad member in ME3. She is my love interest.

[jlb524]

Miranda is the hardest to kill though. Dialog isn't even recorded for her death by seeker swarms (i.e., it can't happen).



Did BW do this for a reason though? I don't know. Miranda can still die and thus will not be in some people's games (same goes for the others).

[vigna]

Vaenier wrote...

That is wierd, because Legion and Tali are much more important characters than Miranda.
I disagree with your argument.

Not so much she is a leader and Biotic. She is also your link to Cerberus, and left when you did if you did. She is also a potential LI. As much as I love Tali and legion I disagree that she is less important.

[Barquiel]

Vaenier wrote...

Legion and Tali are much more important characters than Miranda.

why?

[Madecologist]

By your logic, everyone lives. I am serious. I had my whole squad survive. I even did a incomplete playthrough and my whole squad survives. I did a quick play through and my whole squad survives.

People only die if you are sloppy or make bad decisions. It is hard to glean what character is expandable if they die from mistakes.

Every character has an easy death. Do not get their loyalty, bring to boss fight. Done. I do not see any character being more killable or more suriviable. It seems some might have a higher chance, but that is only if you make bad decisions.

[crimzontearz]

Vaenier wrote...

That is wierd, because Legion and Tali are much more important characters than Miranda.

I disagree with your argument.

you can disagree with importance....but not with the fact Miranda seems meant to survive and Tali can die in 5 diffeent segments and even at random for instace...

[incinerator950]

That's only if you lack common sense and don't have her Loyalty.

[padaE]

 I don't know, Miranda is indeed harder to kill than everyone else, damn, she almost can't die.
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But I think this means nothing but Miranda is more awesome than everyone else 
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Seriously now, maybe some character have more chances to be back in ME3, but I wouldn't take that in consideration, Tali for exemple, she is very close to Shepard, there is no reason for her to left, even less if she have been exiled. The same for Garrus, Miranda, and others.
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In the other hand, Jack has really no reasons to stay. Thane has a situation. Samara has done her job.
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I hope they start ME3 soon after ME2 ending. That's the right way to the game IMO. 

Modifié par padaE, 25 février 2010 - 04:14 .

[Striker1246]

ad but true, though i doubt all this worrying about squadmates is really nessessary- its the final game in the trilogy, bioware won't give any characters the cameo axe in my opinion. They just won't add any new ones. according to your arguement, tali is more likely slated for a cameo then miranda. can you IMAGINE the back lash from this community if bioware took away tali from the tali fans? simply put, not gonna happen.

[Striker1246]

ad but true, though i doubt all this worrying about squadmates is really nessessary- its the final game in the trilogy, bioware won't give any characters the cameo axe in my opinion. They just won't add any new ones. according to your arguement, tali is more likely slated for a cameo then miranda. can you IMAGINE the back lash from this community if bioware took away tali from the tali fans? simply put, not gonna happen.

[GravyTrader]

Vaenier wrote...

That is wierd, because Legion and Tali are much more important characters than Miranda.
I disagree with your argument.

I agree Legion and Tali are important characters, but I would also guess that Miranda, being perfect and all and losing loyalty in the Illusive Man may in fact take over operations of Cerberus, hopefully taking the tarneshed reputation and turning it into something more admirable.

[Vaenier]

Barquiel wrote...

Vaenier wrote...

Legion and Tali are much more important characters than Miranda.

why?

Tali and legion are big players in the Geth/Quarian war. Their stories have been building in both games and will likely come to frutition in the final segment.

Miranda is just a Cerberus agent who acts like a **** most of the time. I wouldnt mind so much if she wouldnt contradict every choice I made...

Also Miranda is an idiot that forgot her sister is still under TIM's control.

[Alratan]

Legion and Tali are arguably more important in-universe, as they can both provide useful back up against the Reapers, but Miranda is more important for meta-game reasons. Miranda is the player's link to Cerberus, and it would be jarring to have another Cerberus person introduced to deal with any issues relating to TIM, Cerberus, mission protocol, etc., although arguably EDI could handle alot of that.

[BellaStrega]

crimzontearz wrote...

Vaenier wrote...

That is wierd, because Legion and Tali are much more important characters than Miranda.
I disagree with your argument.

you can disagree with importance....but not with the fact Miranda seems meant to survive and Tali can die in 5 diffeent segments and even at random for instace...

Er, at random?

[Madecologist]

Also to dispell Miranda is harder to kill. I have a friend where Miranda was the only person to die. He did not do it on purpose. He was trying to get everyone to live and only she died. He was shocked. Yeah.. she is hard to kill.....

[Computron2000]

Miranda and Jacob have their own game "Mass Effect Galaxy", so they have a good chance of being in the default setting (the one where you start over without importing). You can say their armor is plotium and IPPropertium

[OverlordNexas]

Miranda is hard to kill because she has dialouge during the suicide mission and Bioware didn't feel liking programing for different variables were she dies.

[jlb524]

For people who play ME2 multiple times and meta-game to get their ideal suicide mission results, this would be a non-issue. If they want Miranda dead, they'll make sure it happens. If they want Tali to survive, they'll make sure it happens.



However, for the casual ME2 gamer, it's more likely that Miranda will survive the suicide mission while it's more likely the others will die.

[Ecael]

There's more to it than that, though. You have to consider:

-Several characters in ME2 have developed huge fanbases, which BioWare does take into account
-Certain squadmates have a much better chance of surviving the suicide mission than others
-Certain squadmates have specialized roles that also have them surviving the suicide mission more likely
-It is much more difficult to kill everyone off than to save everyone - and even then, most people try to save most
-Certain squadmates have reasons that they could die/leave immediately after the mission
-Certain squadmates are LIs and have no reason to leave Shepard (he's not going to die again)
-Just because ME2 had to be a entirely new game does not mean they had to eliminate all previous characters as squadmates

Modifié par Ecael, 25 février 2010 - 04:20 .

[vigna]

BellaStrega wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Vaenier wrote...

That is wierd, because Legion and Tali are much more important characters than Miranda.
I disagree with your argument.

you can disagree with importance....but not with the fact Miranda seems meant to survive and Tali can die in 5 diffeent segments and even at random for instace...

Er, at random?

Random is what people call it when someone dies at the door, because they failed to leave enough defense and heavy hitters.

[crimzontearz]

Madecologist wrote...

By your logic, everyone lives. I am serious. I had my whole squad survive. I even did a incomplete playthrough and my whole squad survives. I did a quick play through and my whole squad survives.

People only die if you are sloppy or make bad decisions. It is hard to glean what character is expandable if they die from mistakes.

Every character has an easy death. Do not get their loyalty, bring to boss fight. Done. I do not see any character being more killable or more suriviable. It seems some might have a higher chance, but that is only if you make bad decisions.

read my post, I know everyone can die but chances are that she will survive in the vast majority of playthroughs because of how hard it is to actually get her killed off

also...Tali can die in 5 segments even if she herself is loyal....there is only 1 way (maybe 2) to kill Miranda and only if she is disloyal how are you going to tell me Miranda in not less likely to survive?