Why Cerberus is so Evil? From what we know, Cerberus was formerly part of the Alliance military, but which has now gone rogue. Maybe that is why. In Mass Effect 1, we had to infiltrate a handful of their facilities, where they presumably were doing some experiments. So what? How they are more evil than Udina and his Alliance, or Krogans, Assari commandos, Turians, Shadow Broker.
It just feels that Shepard would rather ask batarian slavers for help than Cerberus...
Is Cerberus really Evil?
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Posté 25 février 2010 - 05:24
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Thorian Creepers, Rachni, killed that admiral guy. Theeeen betrayed Sheppy, blew up some Quarian ship or something and probably some other crap.
Their colours are orange and black.
The only way they could be more evil is if they all had goatees.
Their colours are orange and black.
The only way they could be more evil is if they all had goatees.
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Posté 25 février 2010 - 05:27
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Salarian STG and Asari commandos and the Turian military all answer to their respective governments. Cerberus answers to a single unelected individual with freaky eyes who is accountable to no one. That should be enough to be wary of them.
the wacky experiments and total disregard for individual lives are just the icing on the cake.
the wacky experiments and total disregard for individual lives are just the icing on the cake.
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Posté 25 février 2010 - 05:28
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In ME2, someone makes the comment that Cerberus is seen as a kind of terrorist organization, and for good reason. Cerberus operates in a kind of morally gray area that makes it so interesting. They are willing to do absolutely anything to promote the well being of man kind. If it was a clear cut case of being good or bad then there wouldn't be the choice present through the entire game, even up to the end, of whether you trust them or not. It also leads back to the theme present from the first of "do the ends justify the means?"
From that stand point, if you feel that Shepard doesn't trust TIM that much, that must be the way you played that character and didn't even realize it.
From that stand point, if you feel that Shepard doesn't trust TIM that much, that must be the way you played that character and didn't even realize it.
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Posté 25 février 2010 - 05:28
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My buddies who died on Akuze would like to have a few words with you...
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Posté 25 février 2010 - 05:30
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jklinders wrote...
Salarian STG and Asari commandos and the Turian military all answer to their respective governments. Cerberus answers to a single unelected individual with freaky eyes who is accountable to no one. That should be enough to be wary of them.
the wacky experiments and total disregard for individual lives are just the icing on the cake.
We got a winner.
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Posté 25 février 2010 - 05:31
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Posté 25 février 2010 - 05:31
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Cerberus is evil because TIM is evil. Not the mad scientis or super-villian evil, but the 'willing-to-do-evil-things' kind of power-hungry evil. All the Cerberus people on your ship are good because they are normal people. But TIM's end justify means way of doing things invites evil people into the organization. ie Jack's upbringing
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Posté 25 février 2010 - 05:33
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Being forced to be a test subject in brutal experiments which involve having Thresher Maw venom injected into you is all you need to know that Cerberus are modern day 1930's/1940's Germany. Only this time they are trying to domiante alien species rather than other humans.
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Posté 25 février 2010 - 05:33
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Well no, not all Cerberus are evil look at ower crewmates aboard the Normandy. But who they answer to the Illusive man....I cannot say the same thing about him.
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Posté 25 février 2010 - 05:34
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You guys are all crazy, TIM's a friendly fellow.
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Posté 25 février 2010 - 05:34
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the fact that they answer to no one makes them quite scary
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Posté 25 février 2010 - 05:35
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Toxik King wrote...
Thorian Creepers, Rachni, killed that admiral guy. Theeeen betrayed Sheppy, blew up some Quarian ship or something and probably some other crap.
Their colours are orange and black.
The only way they could be more evil is if they all had goatees.
Oddly, there were times during the game where I wished Miranda had a goatee...
/wait, what?
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Posté 25 février 2010 - 05:35
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jklinders wrote...
Salarian STG and Asari commandos and the Turian military all answer to their respective governments. Cerberus answers to a single unelected individual with freaky eyes who is accountable to no one. That should be enough to be wary of them.
the wacky experiments and total disregard for individual lives are just the icing on the cake.
They all disregard individual lives vithout exception. Does it really matter to whom they answer if the list of their crimes is long enough? They all are kind of secret services of their respective species, who mercilessly kill the others. And I, actually, kinda liked his eyes. I think he is one build on a reaper technology, or maybe some other ancient tech race, who fought reapers.
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Posté 25 février 2010 - 05:37
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Good... Bad... they're the guys with the collector base.
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Posté 25 février 2010 - 05:37
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"Evil" is a loaded word, but certainly Cerberus has a history of morally questionable actions (to say the least).
"The end justifies the means" is all fine and dandy, but at this point we're not even sure what Cerberus' end goal actually is.
Everyone's goals and motivations seem legitimate to themselves. It remains to be seen if TIM has humanity's best interests in mind, or his own. Or even if "humanity's best interests" is an acceptable excuse for Cerberus' actions.
So I would say they're not "evil"...yet. But they are standing on shaky moral ground.
"The end justifies the means" is all fine and dandy, but at this point we're not even sure what Cerberus' end goal actually is.
Everyone's goals and motivations seem legitimate to themselves. It remains to be seen if TIM has humanity's best interests in mind, or his own. Or even if "humanity's best interests" is an acceptable excuse for Cerberus' actions.
So I would say they're not "evil"...yet. But they are standing on shaky moral ground.
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Posté 25 février 2010 - 05:37
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Toxik King wrote...
Thorian Creepers, Rachni, killed that admiral guy. Theeeen betrayed Sheppy, blew up some Quarian ship or something and probably some other crap.
Their colours are orange and black.
^This
Toxik King wrote...
The only way they could be more evil is if they all had goatees
LOL
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Posté 25 février 2010 - 05:38
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They're Human Supremacists with no compunctions about using questionable tactics to achieve their goals... but 'good' and 'evil' are philosophies based on the individual/group who created them. Everyone has the cabability to be 'good' or 'evil' and thus everyone can and will appear so depending on the observer... This concept is played on multiple times through the stories involving the rachni (everyone assumed them both evil and extinct, but the queen tells you otherwise- something about them being indoctrinated or otherwise altered) and the Genophage (some see it as a horrible mistake, some see it as a way to protect the galaxy from the krogan AND vice versa to prevent TWO episodes of extinction)... To Quote one Obi-Wan Kenobi- "you'll find a lot of the truths we cling to depend greatly on a certain point of view." Truer words were never spoken in regards to whom is good and evil. We all assume the Reapers are evil, and even gave them that insidious moniker to drive the point home, but realistically, nobody knows their true motivations for why they perform the dance of death every 50 millenia. Clearly, they are a threat to all life, but it is not necessarily just blind malice or hatred that drives them...
For the Record, none of my players nor the man behind them trust cerberus, but they harbor little love for the council either. If my shep had his druthers, he'd force his way back into the Alliance heirarchy and help them ratify their place in the galaxy as top tier players... but not through methods Cerberus would condone and not by being council lapdogs. Respect is earned, not given through concession or forced through fear, and that is just how he/I would approach it. Some would see that as 'evil' just based on the threat it would cause to their way of life, and some would take the opposite path based on the assistance they would receive as a result of it as well. Does that make it inherently so? Maybe I was just acting out of self interest or maybe I had a grander goal. It is not a person or a group that is good or evil inherently, but rather the actions they perform, the motivations that caused said actions, and the perceptions of the beholder that make something 'good' or 'evil' in the end...
For the Record, none of my players nor the man behind them trust cerberus, but they harbor little love for the council either. If my shep had his druthers, he'd force his way back into the Alliance heirarchy and help them ratify their place in the galaxy as top tier players... but not through methods Cerberus would condone and not by being council lapdogs. Respect is earned, not given through concession or forced through fear, and that is just how he/I would approach it. Some would see that as 'evil' just based on the threat it would cause to their way of life, and some would take the opposite path based on the assistance they would receive as a result of it as well. Does that make it inherently so? Maybe I was just acting out of self interest or maybe I had a grander goal. It is not a person or a group that is good or evil inherently, but rather the actions they perform, the motivations that caused said actions, and the perceptions of the beholder that make something 'good' or 'evil' in the end...
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Posté 25 février 2010 - 05:40
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Oh yeah, that one atrocity where Cerberus murdered thousands of kittens? That was just one cell! Cerberus doesn't approve of those actions.
You mean this sort of thing happens all the time with Cerberus cells? You think saying it was an isolated bad group of people is a lame excuse when almost every Cerberus agent you run into is a terrible person with no morality?
Not our fault!
You mean this sort of thing happens all the time with Cerberus cells? You think saying it was an isolated bad group of people is a lame excuse when almost every Cerberus agent you run into is a terrible person with no morality?
Not our fault!
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Posté 25 février 2010 - 05:40
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Cerberus is the best definition of what Bioware's Renegade style of play represents.
End justifies the means, no one gets in our way, your people are important but only as far as accomplishing the goal, and every weapon you find is a new one to add to your arsenal, no matter the moral "gray area"
End justifies the means, no one gets in our way, your people are important but only as far as accomplishing the goal, and every weapon you find is a new one to add to your arsenal, no matter the moral "gray area"
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Posté 25 février 2010 - 05:41
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What bugged me most about Cerberus was the single-minded focus on "human" interests. It may seem fine and dandy from our perspectives, but in the context of the game which has multiple species interacting and trying to get along, it does seem like an unsettling kind of bigotry.
I sort of see them in the same light as I would, say, a group promoting "white" interests here on Earth.
I sort of see them in the same light as I would, say, a group promoting "white" interests here on Earth.
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Posté 25 février 2010 - 05:44
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When you're talking about survival, everyone (except those that turn out dead) turns "evil" and don't care about moral choices.
The Illusive (- name hint! "ILL") man knows of the existance of a galactic threat. He's doing anything and everything possible to stop it from killing everyone. What's being evil have to do with survival?
(Just don't compare him to Hitler or other dictators pretty please!)
The Illusive (- name hint! "ILL") man knows of the existance of a galactic threat. He's doing anything and everything possible to stop it from killing everyone. What's being evil have to do with survival?
(Just don't compare him to Hitler or other dictators pretty please!)
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Posté 25 février 2010 - 05:48
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Cerberus is the KKK if it were funded by Bill Gates.
