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[glitter_guld]

lost lupus wrote...

people always focus on the bad.......... release the good

they revived shepard
distroyed the collectors
represent humanitys and the galaxies best chance of defeating the reapers RE: they are the only group doing anything about it (while everyone else is sitting around twiddling their thumbs)
look at all the people they employ seriously if you take away cerebrus theres alot of people on alliance unemployemnt line
their on the cutting edge of medicine, starship's and weaponary

just remember the makers of medi-gel broke a few laws to make the magic live through anything gel!

The medigel thing is an excellent point from ME1. For all those dozen marines that people write here about, the council holds account for millions of lives lost on the Citadel during the reaper attack. Is stupidity a greater evil? I am not saying that Cerberus is a model of goodness, but in comparison with some other "official" organizations it looks white and fluffy...

[Behindyounow]

Remaix wrote...

Behindyounow wrote...

Yeah they're evil, but so is the council and the Alliance.

But all of their evil combined is nothing compared to the reapers. So that makes them the good guys.

...I'm sorry, what?

The Alliance released element Zero over towns purposefully to create biotics.

The council, well...  "Ah yes... Reapers"


Although the council is more stupid than evil, but stupidity is worse than lack of moral fibre.

[Sharn01]

Behindyounow wrote...

Remaix wrote...

Behindyounow wrote...

Yeah they're evil, but so is the council and the Alliance.

But all of their evil combined is nothing compared to the reapers. So that makes them the good guys.

...I'm sorry, what?

The Alliance released element Zero over towns purposefully to create biotics.

The council, well...  "Ah yes... Reapers"


Although the council is more stupid than evil, but stupidity is worse than lack of moral fibre.

No, the alliance did not, you are referring to the conversation with Kaiden, at the time in ME1 he did not know if it was intentional, and it turns out is was intentional, but it was not the Alliance that did it, it was Cerberus.

[glitter_guld]

Alliance blames Cerberus for everything. They have put the label "terroristic" on them for that very purpose. I don't know if I trust anything the Alliance says.

Modifié par glitter_guld, 25 février 2010 - 09:13 .

[TheLostGenius]

They are unethical and greedy. If you play Sole Survivor in ME1, you find out that Cereberus is responsible for an experiment that gets all of your friends and family killed. You meet one other survivor named Toomas who is part of an experiment where they were trying to create a "super soldier". Cereberus is evil in that they are unethical in finding means to create power. In a sense Cereberus was victorious in ME1, as you become their Super Soldier, Sheperd, the Ultimate tool.

[lost lupus]

Behindyounow wrote...

Remaix wrote...

Behindyounow wrote...

Yeah they're evil, but so is the council and the Alliance.

But all of their evil combined is nothing compared to the reapers. So that makes them the good guys.

...I'm sorry, what?

The Alliance released element Zero over towns purposefully to create biotics.

The council, well...  "Ah yes... Reapers"


Although the council is more stupid than evil, but stupidity is worse than lack of moral fibre.

i would claim the very attutude of the council shows their feelings towards those whom they are supposed to represent "Lesser Spieces"

of course how they treated the krogan uplifting them to fight for them then wiped them out (with "pre-empitve" strikes) but then unleashed the genophase just remember if it was to acount for korgans to survive on less hostile worlds why did the turians scatter their remaining forces hunting them all down?

encourging humans to build on the skillain verge but offering no support
letting countless colonies be attacked year in year out as offical policy!

restricting the alliance by enforcing this treaty on a supposed allie who most at risk of these attack's

the Treaty of Farixen ensuring they have a vastly better military so basicaly everybody is forced to accept
their policy's or else bannished from "council" because they simple cannot contridict them humanity was almost
kicked out which would have stopped human grow into the star's

the council are tyrants using loyal speices do their advantage and then casting them aside when a stronger race comes along re: batarians (dont get me wrong they became terrorists and so should be killed) but the council drove them there!

also the council didnt seem to have a problem with batarians keeping slave's untill after they left citidel space
why because batarian's were their asset
 
they also assemble assasins who answer to no one and are basicaly given free reign to resolve a problem how ever they see fit hows that any different then cerebrus??

kettle calling the pot black?

Modifié par lost lupus, 25 février 2010 - 09:29 .

[ExtremeOne]

They are not evil at all

[Markinator_123]

ExtremeOne wrote...

They are not evil at all

*laughs*

Yeah right!

[Skilled Seeker]

The Council are just as evil as Cerberus. The Council also happen to be blind to the real threat while Cerberus are acting against it. I know where my loyalties lie...

[ExtremeOne]

Markinator_123 wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

They are not evil at all

*laughs*

Yeah right!

  


Last time I checked I damn sure not see any Alliance project to bring Shepard back. Oh thats right they were the ones that did not give a crap if he was dead or night. yeah thats real good 

[TheLostGenius]

Skilled Seeker wrote...

The Council are just as evil as Cerberus. The Council also happen to be blind to the real threat while Cerberus are acting against it. I know where my loyalties lie...

Yea are Cereberus's pawn. As you would be the Council's. Neither is ideal. The council seeks an equilibrium, whereas Cereberus would seek human dominion. His interest in the Collector and Reaper technology, and Cereberus's interest in Alien mind control in ME1 point in one direction...Cereberus controlling indoctrination method's for human supremacy. Which may be an option in ME3.

[Suron]

glitter_guld wrote...

Why Cerberus is so Evil? From what we know, Cerberus was formerly part of the Alliance military, but which has now gone rogue. Maybe that is why. In Mass Effect 1, we had to infiltrate a handful of their facilities, where they presumably were doing some experiments. So what? How they are more evil than Udina and his Alliance, or Krogans, Assari commandos, Turians, Shadow Broker.

It just feels that Shepard would rather ask batarian slavers for help than Cerberus...

Any play Dragon Age here?

Cerberus is just the Grey Warden's being lead by Loghain.....a demented and paranoid individual who will do anything to insure humanities (fereldans) dominance...even if it means doing bad things (betraying the king.)

[TheLostGenius]

ExtremeOne wrote...

Markinator_123 wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

They are not evil at all

*laughs*

Yeah right!

  


Last time I checked I damn sure not see any Alliance project to bring Shepard back. Oh thats right they were the ones that did not give a crap if he was dead or night. yeah thats real good 

Cerberus doesn't give a crap about who Sheperd is. They revived him to exploit him as the ultimate Super Soldier. By reviving him and giving him resources they have fully subjugated him under their influence, for good or ill, it will be impossible to know for sure until ME3. Please read my thread about what The Illusive Man's intentions likely are.

One of the big questions we should be asking is how connected to the Alliance is Cereberus? Wouldn't be surprised if their was a bizarre indirect connection between major human player's of the Alliance. 

[Madecologist]

glitter_guld wrote...

Madecologist wrote...

Again, I still think Cerberus is just as evil. What we see in ME2 is an elaborate TIM ploy to manipulate Shepard. Look at the crew of the new Normandy? They are still the same snakes as before. They just put a dress on for Shepard.

Edit - Casey.. I know you are laughing........ .
Aslo what I mean by the crew of the Normandy is that they seem like good people because TIM hand picked them to be so, so Shepard feels at ease and begins to think Cerberus is not all that bad. They too probably don't know the truth and are being used to sway Shepard.

That's a conspiracy plot.

To quote Garibaldi from B5.
It is not because you are paranoid they are not after you.

My point, conspiracies happen. They do, heck I lead my share of them too. Admiting my conspiracies envolve making one of my friend's go mad and stop running his DnD game. But there I am, at the middle, bribing his players with meals and money. I know.. I am a bad person .

Why wouldn't Cerberus do a conspiracy, they are a secret orginsation, That is clear about them in ME1 and 2. They are not public knowledge. They are not some fondation people hear about in the news. Heck depending if you killed the scientist or not from Toombs quest in ME1 reveals that in the news casts of ME2.

Also, Cerberus does not get blamed for the nonesense they did in ME1. It is not like you find this stuff and someone goes "hey that is Cerberus". It is your own Squadmates that dig up the data from the computers that all of this was a Cerberus operation. They did nasty things in ME1, like for example.... wipe out a -human- colony to test dragon teeths.

Modifié par Madecologist, 25 février 2010 - 10:15 .

[77boy84]

Even if you ignore all the stuff that happened in ME1 with cerberus, the fact that Cerberus loaded the normandy with cameras and ****, and planted cyanide capsules (or something along those lines) into EVERYONE'S teeth really makes me think they're evil.

[Suron]

77boy84 wrote...

Even if you ignore all the stuff that happened in ME1 with cerberus, the fact that Cerberus loaded the normandy with cameras and ****, and planted cyanide capsules (or something along those lines) into EVERYONE'S teeth really makes me think they're evil.

uh..where do you get this cyanide in the teeth thing? I have yet to see anyone killed on my ship by this..even when being a ****** to TIM

[77boy84]

Suron wrote...

77boy84 wrote...

Even if you ignore all the stuff that happened in ME1 with cerberus, the fact that Cerberus loaded the normandy with cameras and ****, and planted cyanide capsules (or something along those lines) into EVERYONE'S teeth really makes me think they're evil.

uh..where do you get this cyanide in the teeth thing? I have yet to see anyone killed on my ship by this..even when being a ****** to TIM

Mordin tells this to you the in one of the first few conversations you have with him.

[Jurgenaut]

TIM should have had a mustasche.

[The BS Police]

Skilled Seeker wrote...

The Council are just as evil as Cerberus. The Council also happen to be blind to the real threat while Cerberus are acting against it. I know where my loyalties lie...

The Council are not evil, but they are ignorant and always in constant denial.

[lost lupus]

they are a secert organisation



the spyware is to keep on eye on their people they already had 1 traitor proof enough to keep an eye on their people you work in such fields you forgo your right to privacy sucks but it happens

even today companies can moniter anything an employee does at work



as for cyanide you talk as if they dont know its their... common practice since the 1920's for both good guy's and bad to have a way out of being taken alive re: in the end you always talk, the idea of surviving "interrorgation" is to hold out long enough that what info you have is useless by the time they draw it out of you........ if they believe any rubbish you tell them in the mean time its a bonus

[cdzander]

I may not like Cerberus, but they brought me back from the dead and they keep me in credits so I can make bigger guns and have the occasional drink. Plus they gave me own top of the line, state of the art ship and staffed it with babes like Miranda, Kelly, etc.



Sure, they have an agenda. At the moment, that agenda is "Stop the Reapers!" Funny, that happens to be my agenda too.



Let's just say that I have had plenty of crappier jobs with worse employers.

[cdzander]

Double post FTL.

Modifié par cdzander, 25 février 2010 - 10:41 .

[Sharn01]

Starting to get rediculous how people here ignore fact's. It is also funny that people have to trace the mistakes of the council and government's back thousand's of years to come up with an equal number of atrocities they have commited in comparisson to Cerberus in the last thirty.



Government's make mistakes, but unlike Cerberus, they will have to answer for them one way or another, who does Cerberus answer to when they commit an atrocity?



This is all the fault of poor storytelling on the part of Bioware, and some wierd love interest they have with Cerberus and their desire for a dark and edgy second act that was not really a second act at all.



I am not argueing that you should not be able to play a Cerberus lap dog if that is what you want, just get yourself some knee pads and a bib, that way you can service Tim for longer period's without a break. Just dont be so rediculous in the claim's that Cerberus is a bunch of good guys and Tim is just the nicest person to be around from the perspective of the actual person playing the game.

[Orfinn]

Gabey5 wrote...

the fact that they answer to no one makes them quite scary

Thats free will, and thats why "certain" agendas and organisations in the real world are so dangerous *cough*

[ExtremeOne]

Once again the Mass Effect 1 fans are going to worship the ground that game walks on not even try to understand that Cerberus is different in ME 2