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[Gavinthelocust]

They messed with the Rachni.

I don't trust them.

[celticeagle13]

i like how people are like their not evil and back it up with the fact their trying to kill the reapers and they brought me back to life when really nobody can know for certain until me3

I mean all we have is me1 making it look like their a organization that will stop at nothing to get what they want. On the other hand ME2 made them look like good people that are just trying to help humanity out a little. So basically there's no argument needed here until teh release of the next game.

[lost lupus]

Sharn01 no ones saying that cerebrus are good blokes i pointed out that their not all bad
i also pointed out that the council are know better
you use cerebrus past as an example to bring them down but will not allow the council's own past to be used against them

they are tyrants been corrupt and in power for 1000's of years and are yet to pay for what they have done

turian counciler is clearly a racist and drunk with power and yet i dont see call';s for his resignation?
i'll hold out hope that he get's indighted at the end of 3 along with the rest currption and incompetance but wont hold my breath

the council are just as likely to pin the reaper invasion of cerebrus and arrest shep for war crimes then admitt to a mistake

one wishes a goverment is ac****able....... but to be accountable they must answer to someone who do the council answer to?

Modifié par lost lupus, 25 février 2010 - 11:04 .

[glitter_guld]

Suron wrote...

glitter_guld wrote...

Why Cerberus is so Evil? From what we know, Cerberus was formerly part of the Alliance military, but which has now gone rogue. Maybe that is why. In Mass Effect 1, we had to infiltrate a handful of their facilities, where they presumably were doing some experiments. So what? How they are more evil than Udina and his Alliance, or Krogans, Assari commandos, Turians, Shadow Broker.

It just feels that Shepard would rather ask batarian slavers for help than Cerberus...

Any play Dragon Age here?

Cerberus is just the Grey Warden's being lead by Loghain.....a demented and paranoid individual who will do anything to insure humanities (fereldans) dominance...even if it means doing bad things (betraying the king.)

I don't think that human dominance is an actual goal of Cerberus. It is free interpretation of words "working in human interests". To be pro-human (to create something) is not the same as to be anti-alien (to destruct). Miranda tells that in clear text. Even more, I think that TIM, as an intelligent leader, simply can not have this ridiculous aim when facing the threat from reapers. What kind of dominance one can seek for if the world is about to be destroyed.

[S Atomeha]

well that depends on your point of view and the facts on TIM's intentions are still ellusive to us the players is it for the greater good of humanity? maybe, but to me the ends do not justify the means. For what are we in the end if we lose ourselves to a lust for power?

[HelloHello232]

It seemed like TIM had evil intentions for the Collector base(if you chose to hand it over).. Sure it might help you in ME3, but what will he use it for after?

[lost lupus]

well i would find it fun to blow it up and hunt him down if he does anything i dont aprove of

[Kerilus]

glitter_guld wrote...

I don't think that human dominance is an actual goal of Cerberus. It is free interpretation of words "working in human interests". To be pro-human (to create something) is not the same as to be anti-alien (to destruct). Miranda tells that in clear text. Even more, I think that TIM, as an intelligent leader, simply can not have this ridiculous aim when facing the threat from reapers. What kind of dominance one can seek for if the world is about to be destroyed.

There's no better time to seek dominance than in times of chaos and fear. Besides, from the test on Azuke and Rachni experiments to keeping the Collector base, we can see that even humanity can be sacrificed for Cerberus dominace.
When they are sacrificing the very thing they claim to protect, it's most clear what do they truly want.

Modifié par Kerilus, 25 février 2010 - 11:13 .

[Barquiel]

glitter_guld wrote...

I don't think that human dominance is an actual goal of Cerberus. It is free interpretation of words "working in human interests". To be pro-human (to create something) is not the same as to be anti-alien (to destruct). Miranda tells that in clear text. Even more, I think that TIM, as an intelligent leader, simply can not have this ridiculous aim when facing the threat from reapers. What kind of dominance one can seek for if the world is about to be destroyed.

But even Miranda doesn't believe that TIM would use the collectors base wisely (and she isn't a idealistic paragon)

[ExtremeOne]

I can see the Mass Effect 1 fans will never understand that Cerberus is doing something about stuff those clowns at the Alliance and council are not interested in. Oh but you Mass Effect 1 fans got your little wish because the player who wants his or her Shepard to join Cerberus can not even do it in the game. but yet you come on here bad mouthing Cerberus but fail to even talk about the Council and its out right not giving a crap if Shepard was dead or a live. Jacob even tells you in the game the Alliance used Shepard a recruitment puppet. what really pisses Me off is you ME 1 fans use that game as if it was the all mighty truth and nothing should ever challenge it. Shepard was brought back by Cerberus to get the job done.

[glitter_guld]

ExtremeOne wrote...

Once again the Mass Effect 1 fans are going to worship the ground that game walks on not even try to understand that Cerberus is different in ME 2

That is exactly the point. ME1 was the story told from the point of view of the Alliance, while ME2 is the story told from the point of view of Cerberus. They are not more evil or less. They are just one side of the equation. Yet people, who learned to get paragon points from the Alliance, do continue to blindly believe everything it says, even though they were clearly told that Udina erased and dismissed ALL things about Shepard and the Reapers. Alliance has used Shepard and thrown to the trash even during ME1, which resulted in many death on the Citadel etc. After that, instead of making things right, Udina decided to erase all the memory about Shepard, making her/him a clear not-reusable tool.

Modifié par glitter_guld, 25 février 2010 - 11:25 .

[ExtremeOne]

Barquiel wrote...

glitter_guld wrote...

I don't think that human dominance is an actual goal of Cerberus. It is free interpretation of words "working in human interests". To be pro-human (to create something) is not the same as to be anti-alien (to destruct). Miranda tells that in clear text. Even more, I think that TIM, as an intelligent leader, simply can not have this ridiculous aim when facing the threat from reapers. What kind of dominance one can seek for if the world is about to be destroyed.

But even Miranda doesn't believe that TIM would use the collectors base wisely (and she isn't a idealistic paragon)

  

Miranda's turn at the end of the game felt strange I mean it needed more of a explaining from a story point of view. 

[Kerilus]

It's rather ridiculous to make an argument upon council/Cerberus. I despise Cerberus's fraud but I even killed the Council for being shortsighted.

[ExtremeOne]

glitter_guld wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

Once again the Mass Effect 1 fans are going to worship the ground that game walks on not even try to understand that Cerberus is different in ME 2

That is exactly the point. ME1 was the story told from the point of view of the Alliance, while ME2 is the story told from the point of view of Cerberus. They are not more evil or less. They are just one side of the equation. Yet people, who learned to ge paragon points from the Alliance, do continue to blindly believe everything it says, even though they were clearly told that Udina erased and dismissed ALL things about Shepard and the Reapers. Alliance have used Shepard and thrown to the trash even during ME1, which resulted in many death on the Citadel etc. After that, instead of making things right, Udina decided to erase all the memory about Shepard, making her/him a clear not-reusable tool.

  


Cerberus was completely right in basically saying the Alliance and the Council are totally stupid and will not listen to the truth 

[glitter_guld]

Kerilus wrote...

It's rather ridiculous to make an argument upon council/Cerberus. I despise Cerberus's fraud but I even killed the Council for being shortsighted.

It is not ridiculous, because Cerberus is compared to the Alliance throughout the game. Following the Alliance makes you paragon, while following Cerberus makes you renegade. I disagree.

[Suron]

ExtremeOne wrote...

I can see the Mass Effect 1 fans will never understand that Cerberus is doing something about stuff those clowns at the Alliance and council are not interested in. Oh but you Mass Effect 1 fans got your little wish because the player who wants his or her Shepard to join Cerberus can not even do it in the game. but yet you come on here bad mouthing Cerberus but fail to even talk about the Council and its out right not giving a crap if Shepard was dead or a live. Jacob even tells you in the game the Alliance used Shepard a recruitment puppet. what really pisses Me off is you ME 1 fans use that game as if it was the all mighty truth and nothing should ever challenge it. Shepard was brought back by Cerberus to get the job done.

what kind of mindless drool do you have dribbling out of the corner of your mouth...

Cerberus -IS- an evil organization...they will do ANYTHING to insure human dominance in the galaxy...

Rachni
Akuze
Jack

just to name a FEW.

funny how you seem to forget the PURELY EVIL things they've done just so you can bash the council

the council is faulted in being arrogant, short-sited, and naive...but evil?  are you seriously typing that with a straight face??

I was pissed at them too for how stupid they were being (the council) however to call them evil and not cerberus? you really can't be that stupid.

Cerberus answers to no-one when they do wrong...they act above the law..and could care less who or what dies in there means.

the council are just plain arrogant and stupid..but not evil.

Also it's obvious that Cerberus does have good people with them..which ME2 shows..not all of them know what all goes on in the other cells...this is also told to you in ME2...do you think TIM didn't know, or didn't order, what happened at Akuze, the Rachni, etc?? dont' be stupid...

hey you like cerberus and are pissed at the council...Cerberus outlying GOAL is noble enough..however their methods are what put a heavy black spot on them..they DO EVIL THINGS to get what they want....

use some higher brain functions

EDIT: and to further debunk your drool...as said just above me....following Cerberus results in Renegade points...EVEN BIOWARE IS TELLING YOU THEY ARE EVIL

Modifié par Suron, 25 février 2010 - 11:31 .

[Twizz089]

Alot of people are arguing that Cerberus isnt evil because your crew members are normal, good people. What you have to remeber is that most of the crew members, i.e the two engineers, are new to Cerberus, signed on solely for the purpose of working on the normandy and have no true knowledge of the organazation

[Barquiel]

ExtremeOne wrote...

I can see the Mass Effect 1 fans will never understand that Cerberus is doing something about stuff those clowns at the Alliance and council are not interested in.

Who saved the galaxy in ME1?

The fifth fleet (alliance) or Cerberus?

[Twizz089]

Suron wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

I can see the Mass Effect 1 fans will never understand that Cerberus is doing something about stuff those clowns at the Alliance and council are not interested in. Oh but you Mass Effect 1 fans got your little wish because the player who wants his or her Shepard to join Cerberus can not even do it in the game. but yet you come on here bad mouthing Cerberus but fail to even talk about the Council and its out right not giving a crap if Shepard was dead or a live. Jacob even tells you in the game the Alliance used Shepard a recruitment puppet. what really pisses Me off is you ME 1 fans use that game as if it was the all mighty truth and nothing should ever challenge it. Shepard was brought back by Cerberus to get the job done.

what kind of mindless drool do you have dribbling out of the corner of your mouth...

Cerberus -IS- an evil organization...they will do ANYTHING to insure human dominance in the galaxy...

Rachni
Akuze
Jack

just to name a FEW.

funny how you seem to forget the PURELY EVIL things they've done just so you can bash the council

the council is faulted in being arrogant, short-sited, and naive...but evil?  are you seriously typing that with a straight face??

I was pissed at them too for how stupid they were being (the council) however to call them evil and not cerberus? you really can't be that stupid.

Cerberus answers to no-one when they do wrong...they act above the law..and could care less who or what dies in there means.

the council are just plain arrogant and stupid..but not evil.

Also it's obvious that Cerberus does have good people with them..which ME2 shows..not all of them know what all goes on in the other cells...this is also told to you in ME2...do you think TIM didn't know, or didn't order, what happened at Akuze, the Rachni, etc?? dont' be stupid...

hey you like cerberus and are pissed at the council...Cerberus outlying GOAL is noble enough..however their methods are what put a heavy black spot on them..they DO EVIL THINGS to get what they want....

use some higher brain functions

EDIT: and to further debunk your drool...as said just above me....following Cerberus results in Renegade points...EVEN BIOWARE IS TELLING YOU THEY ARE EVIL

I wouldnt even be nice enough to say that Cerberus outlying goal is noble.  lol

[Kerilus]

glitter_guld wrote...

Kerilus wrote...

It's rather ridiculous to make an argument upon council/Cerberus. I despise Cerberus's fraud but I even killed the Council for being shortsighted.

It is not ridiculous, because Cerberus is compared to the Alliance throughout the game. Following the Alliance makes you paragon, while following Cerberus makes you renegade. I disagree.

Maybe that's partially how it works in the game paragon/renegade wise, but I don't see how it has to be either this or that.

Modifié par Kerilus, 25 février 2010 - 11:38 .

[cmdrogogov]

To put this in perspetive,



The moment Humanity got out of the solar system, they ran into the Turians and there was a full scale interstellar war which was only stopped because the council stepped in.



I can imagine something like this would have a traumatizing effect on humanity which would make cerberus' methods far more pallateable to the everyday person on the street.

[Twizz089]

Barquiel wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

I can see the Mass Effect 1 fans will never understand that Cerberus is doing something about stuff those clowns at the Alliance and council are not interested in.

Who saved the galaxy in ME1?

The fifth fleet (alliance) or Cerberus?

 
Who is continuing the fight aginst the reapers? Alliance or Cerberus.  And who is pretending the attack never happened?

[S Atomeha]

ExtremeOne wrote...

glitter_guld wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

Once again the Mass Effect 1 fans are going to worship the ground that game walks on not even try to understand that Cerberus is different in ME 2

That is exactly the point. ME1 was the story told from the point of view of the Alliance, while ME2 is the story told from the point of view of Cerberus. They are not more evil or less. They are just one side of the equation. Yet people, who learned to ge paragon points from the Alliance, do continue to blindly believe everything it says, even though they were clearly told that Udina erased and dismissed ALL things about Shepard and the Reapers. Alliance have used Shepard and thrown to the trash even during ME1, which resulted in many death on the Citadel etc. After that, instead of making things right, Udina decided to erase all the memory about Shepard, making her/him a clear not-reusable tool.

  


Cerberus was completely right in basically saying the Alliance and the Council are totally stupid and will not listen to the truth 

The council will not listen to the truth because if you talk to anderson about whats happened since you were gone most of sovereign was salvaged by keepers, and others so a lot of it is missing.  Vigil didn't have enough power to continue running and couldn't confirm or deny the reapers.  The only proof of the reapers were a sound bite from a geth and Shepards word.

and while Cerberus may not seem as evil in ME2, though a lot of evidence point to is it, we are not certain of TIM's intentions but again the ends do not justify the means.

[S Atomeha]

srry double post.

Modifié par S Atomeha, 26 février 2010 - 09:13 .