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[Computron2000]

Cerberus is not evil, just misunderstood. Give them a chance.*



*The above message is brought to you by Cerberus Relations Awareness and Publicity

[ILALQ]

Tim, leader of Cerberus, is the kind of individual who hides behind a seemingly noble cause, only to further HIS own agenda. Although we do not know exactly what he wants ( we can guess, such as control of the galaxy, think emperor from Star Wars) as the whole "humanity survival" seems to contradict with several of his actions.



He may be telling the truth even, but is willing to sacrifice millions for billions. To some, that's unacceptable. "The greater good" and all that jazz is fine and dandy if some small sacrifices are made, (in this case, maybe several thousand humans), but the potential millions (or more) that TiM is seemingly willing to just cast aside raises some serious red flags.



So really, be wary, and keep yourself a good distance away. And trust NOBODY.

[Kerilus]

ILALQ wrote...

So really, be wary, and keep yourself a good distance away. And trust NOBODY.

QFT.

[noobzor99]

The whole human dominance speech at the end sealed the deal for me- TIM wants to manipulate the war with the reapers to make sure humans come out on top. If I do my job right that will probably happen anyways.



Someone still needs to answer for Akuze, Jack, the numerous colonies wiped out by husks/rachni/creepers, Conatix killing thousands for more biotics, etc.

Oh, and KAHOKU!



Me stealing a 2.5 billion credit ship and my 4 billion credit body is just the beginning...

[ExtremeOne]

Suron wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

I can see the Mass Effect 1 fans will never understand that Cerberus is doing something about stuff those clowns at the Alliance and council are not interested in. Oh but you Mass Effect 1 fans got your little wish because the player who wants his or her Shepard to join Cerberus can not even do it in the game. but yet you come on here bad mouthing Cerberus but fail to even talk about the Council and its out right not giving a crap if Shepard was dead or a live. Jacob even tells you in the game the Alliance used Shepard a recruitment puppet. what really pisses Me off is you ME 1 fans use that game as if it was the all mighty truth and nothing should ever challenge it. Shepard was brought back by Cerberus to get the job done.

what kind of mindless drool do you have dribbling out of the corner of your mouth...

Cerberus -IS- an evil organization...they will do ANYTHING to insure human dominance in the galaxy...

Rachni
Akuze
Jack

just to name a FEW.

funny how you seem to forget the PURELY EVIL things they've done just so you can bash the council

the council is faulted in being arrogant, short-sited, and naive...but evil?  are you seriously typing that with a straight face??

I was pissed at them too for how stupid they were being (the council) however to call them evil and not cerberus? you really can't be that stupid.

Cerberus answers to no-one when they do wrong...they act above the law..and could care less who or what dies in there means.

the council are just plain arrogant and stupid..but not evil.

Also it's obvious that Cerberus does have good people with them..which ME2 shows..not all of them know what all goes on in the other cells...this is also told to you in ME2...do you think TIM didn't know, or didn't order, what happened at Akuze, the Rachni, etc?? dont' be stupid...

hey you like cerberus and are pissed at the council...Cerberus outlying GOAL is noble enough..however their methods are what put a heavy black spot on them..they DO EVIL THINGS to get what they want....

use some higher brain functions

EDIT: and to further debunk your drool...as said just above me....following Cerberus results in Renegade points...EVEN BIOWARE IS TELLING YOU THEY ARE EVIL

  


yeah in Mass Effect 1 humans were treated like garbage but yet you and the rest of the Mass Effect 1 fans will not even admit that. Cerberus is much better than the Alliance and like I said you Mass Effect 1 fans got your little wish because us gamers who have no problem with Cerberus can not even get our Commander Shepard to be a member of Cerberus. Mass Effect 2 should have been like Revenge of The Sith where Shepard joined the Dark side and Cerberus. 

[Kerilus]

Side-forcing and name-calling do you no credit, ExtremeOne.

[ExtremeOne]

Kerilus wrote...

Side-forcing and name-calling do you no credit, ExtremeOne.

 


I am not sure what you mean. 

[Kerilus]

Calling people "ME1 fans" and assuming they support the Council/Alliance.

[kanodin]

ExtremeOne wrote...

I can see the Mass Effect 1 fans will never understand that Cerberus is doing something about stuff those clowns at the Alliance and council are not interested in. Oh but you Mass Effect 1 fans got your little wish because the player who wants his or her Shepard to join Cerberus can not even do it in the game. but yet you come on here bad mouthing Cerberus but fail to even talk about the Council and its out right not giving a crap if Shepard was dead or a live. Jacob even tells you in the game the Alliance used Shepard a recruitment puppet. what really pisses Me off is you ME 1 fans use that game as if it was the all mighty truth and nothing should ever challenge it. Shepard was brought back by Cerberus to get the job done.

So your argument is that since Cerberus helps Shepard it's simply impossible for them to be evil? And that all the evil things we saw them doing in ME 1 never actually happened and we should all just get over them because this is a new game? 

[Bartlebyfinch]

I haven't quite figured that one out either. Extremeone seems to have some kind of personal grudge against the first game, to the extent of wanting to pretend that it doesn't exist and that ME2 is a stand-alone rather than the middle chapter in a trilogy.



As near as I can tell, he/she either disliked the first game completely or is so overjoyed with all of the changes from ME1 to ME2 that he/she has taken to violently campaigning against ME1 out of fear that user input might swing ME3 back closer to the traditional RPG genre. /shrug

[ExtremeOne]

kanodin wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

I can see the Mass Effect 1 fans will never understand that Cerberus is doing something about stuff those clowns at the Alliance and council are not interested in. Oh but you Mass Effect 1 fans got your little wish because the player who wants his or her Shepard to join Cerberus can not even do it in the game. but yet you come on here bad mouthing Cerberus but fail to even talk about the Council and its out right not giving a crap if Shepard was dead or a live. Jacob even tells you in the game the Alliance used Shepard a recruitment puppet. what really pisses Me off is you ME 1 fans use that game as if it was the all mighty truth and nothing should ever challenge it. Shepard was brought back by Cerberus to get the job done.

So your argument is that since Cerberus helps Shepard it's simply impossible for them to be evil? And that all the evil things we saw them doing in ME 1 never actually happened and we should all just get over them because this is a new game? 

  

What I am saying is Mass Effect 2 was written with you Mass Effect 1 fans in mind since Shepard can not even join Cerberus at all even if players like myself want to see our Shepard join with Cerberus. If you want to keep buying into the crap from ME 1 then thats your choice. Mass Effect 2 sees The almighty Alliance and Council turn its back on Shepard so where he is suppose to go.  Cerberus did the right thing in bringing Shepard back. Its just ashame that Bioware had to basically made Mass Effect 2 where Shepard can not even decide for himself or herself either do I want to join Cerberus or do I not want to join Cerberus 

[Jax Sparrow]

glitter_guld wrote...

Why Cerberus is so Evil? From what we know, Cerberus was formerly part of the Alliance military, but which has now gone rogue. Maybe that is why. In Mass Effect 1, we had to infiltrate a handful of their facilities, where they presumably were doing some experiments. So what? How they are more evil than Udina and his Alliance, or Krogans, Assari commandos, Turians, Shadow Broker.

It just feels that Shepard would rather ask batarian slavers for help than Cerberus...

Actually we know nothing really.  Sure the Kahoku thought they were a rogue Alliance Military Ops but where did he get that Intelligence from?  The Shadow Broker admitted knowing next to nothing.  Cerberus could be older than the Citadel for all we know.  We have just discovered a few of their recent activities and there are an infinite number of possible scenarios that would fit the data we have been given so far.  It is an error to draw hypothesis with insufficient data... we run the risk of only seeing future data that fits with what we expect to find.  Which is akin to why Legion rejected the Reapers.

[kanodin]

ExtremeOne wrote...

kanodin wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

I can see the Mass Effect 1 fans will never understand that Cerberus is doing something about stuff those clowns at the Alliance and council are not interested in. Oh but you Mass Effect 1 fans got your little wish because the player who wants his or her Shepard to join Cerberus can not even do it in the game. but yet you come on here bad mouthing Cerberus but fail to even talk about the Council and its out right not giving a crap if Shepard was dead or a live. Jacob even tells you in the game the Alliance used Shepard a recruitment puppet. what really pisses Me off is you ME 1 fans use that game as if it was the all mighty truth and nothing should ever challenge it. Shepard was brought back by Cerberus to get the job done.

So your argument is that since Cerberus helps Shepard it's simply impossible for them to be evil? And that all the evil things we saw them doing in ME 1 never actually happened and we should all just get over them because this is a new game? 

  

What I am saying is Mass Effect 2 was written with you Mass Effect 1 fans in mind since Shepard can not even join Cerberus at all even if players like myself want to see our Shepard join with Cerberus. If you want to keep buying into the crap from ME 1 then thats your choice. Mass Effect 2 sees The almighty Alliance and Council turn its back on Shepard so where he is suppose to go.  Cerberus did the right thing in bringing Shepard back. Its just ashame that Bioware had to basically made Mass Effect 2 where Shepard can not even decide for himself or herself either do I want to join Cerberus or do I not want to join Cerberus 

I don't think anyone's arguing that working with Cerberus wasn't necessary, just that they were a necessary evil. You have yet to actually address whether they are evil or not, just going on about how the Alliance and Council wouldn't help and Cerberus would, as if that somehow answers the question of if they are evil or not.

Even if you despise the Alliance and Council, that doesn't somehow automatically make Cerberus a noble organization.

[Asheer_Khan]

ExtremeOne wrote...

kanodin wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

I can see the Mass Effect 1 fans will never understand that Cerberus is doing something about stuff those clowns at the Alliance and council are not interested in. Oh but you Mass Effect 1 fans got your little wish because the player who wants his or her Shepard to join Cerberus can not even do it in the game. but yet you come on here bad mouthing Cerberus but fail to even talk about the Council and its out right not giving a crap if Shepard was dead or a live. Jacob even tells you in the game the Alliance used Shepard a recruitment puppet. what really pisses Me off is you ME 1 fans use that game as if it was the all mighty truth and nothing should ever challenge it. Shepard was brought back by Cerberus to get the job done.

So your argument is that since Cerberus helps Shepard it's simply impossible for them to be evil? And that all the evil things we saw them doing in ME 1 never actually happened and we should all just get over them because this is a new game? 

  

What I am saying is Mass Effect 2 was written with you Mass Effect 1 fans in mind since Shepard can not even join Cerberus at all even if players like myself want to see our Shepard join with Cerberus. If you want to keep buying into the crap from ME 1 then thats your choice. Mass Effect 2 sees The almighty Alliance and Council turn its back on Shepard so where he is suppose to go.  Cerberus did the right thing in bringing Shepard back. Its just ashame that Bioware had to basically made Mass Effect 2 where Shepard can not even decide for himself or herself either do I want to join Cerberus or do I not want to join Cerberus 

Soooo....

I start to see that you Cerberus lovers start to run out of arguments to defend Timmy and his terrorist group so it's comes time for camouflaged insults toward pagaron players???

Seriously i hope that ME 3 will give me chance to erase any thrace of that terrorists group from the face of the galaxy, and i am glad that i was able to show Miri true face of Timmy and help her to reach consensus that sticking up whit somebody who will not hesitated to stab back even his potential allies is not  good idea after all...

But Cerberus lovers are too blind to see how deep they fall on the Dark Side.

And about reviving  Shepard .
IF you pay very close attention to dialog between Timmy and Shepard AFTER Horizon he admit that he created a leaks about Shepard's work whit Cerberus KNOWING PRETTY WELL that such infos (especially in situation where Shepard  was literaly unable to confirm or deny such leaks)  will severe Shepard from Alliance and The Council since those both organizations declared Cerberus a terrorist group so Shepard is now on thier Watch List and my forget to recive ANY VITAL INFORMATION about possible Alliance/Council preparation to repell reapers untill he/she will prove that work whi Timmy is over and not to mention fact that his/her reputation within Alliance is partially destroyed because of that fact.

But in my case Timmy made grave mistake to even trying to rally my Shepard in his case because she doesn't forget view of murdered Adm. Kahoku or any other crimes whit Cerberus logo behind them.

[ExtremeOne]

Asheer_Khan wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

kanodin wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

I can see the Mass Effect 1 fans will never understand that Cerberus is doing something about stuff those clowns at the Alliance and council are not interested in. Oh but you Mass Effect 1 fans got your little wish because the player who wants his or her Shepard to join Cerberus can not even do it in the game. but yet you come on here bad mouthing Cerberus but fail to even talk about the Council and its out right not giving a crap if Shepard was dead or a live. Jacob even tells you in the game the Alliance used Shepard a recruitment puppet. what really pisses Me off is you ME 1 fans use that game as if it was the all mighty truth and nothing should ever challenge it. Shepard was brought back by Cerberus to get the job done.

So your argument is that since Cerberus helps Shepard it's simply impossible for them to be evil? And that all the evil things we saw them doing in ME 1 never actually happened and we should all just get over them because this is a new game? 

  

What I am saying is Mass Effect 2 was written with you Mass Effect 1 fans in mind since Shepard can not even join Cerberus at all even if players like myself want to see our Shepard join with Cerberus. If you want to keep buying into the crap from ME 1 then thats your choice. Mass Effect 2 sees The almighty Alliance and Council turn its back on Shepard so where he is suppose to go.  Cerberus did the right thing in bringing Shepard back. Its just ashame that Bioware had to basically made Mass Effect 2 where Shepard can not even decide for himself or herself either do I want to join Cerberus or do I not want to join Cerberus 

Soooo....

I start to see that you Cerberus lovers start to run out of arguments to defend Timmy and his terrorist group so it's comes time for camouflaged insults toward pagaron players???

Seriously i hope that ME 3 will give me chance to erase any thrace of that terrorists group from the face of the galaxy, and i am glad that i was able to show Miri true face of Timmy and help her to reach consensus that sticking up whit somebody who will not hesitated to stab back even his potential allies is not  good idea after all...

But Cerberus lovers are too blind to see how deep they fall on the Dark Side.

And about reviving  Shepard .
IF you pay very close attention to dialog between Timmy and Shepard AFTER Horizon he admit that he created a leaks about Shepard's work whit Cerberus KNOWING PRETTY WELL that such infos (especially in situation where Shepard  was literaly unable to confirm or deny such leaks)  will severe Shepard from Alliance and The Council since those both organizations declared Cerberus a terrorist group so Shepard is now on thier Watch List and my forget to recive ANY VITAL INFORMATION about possible Alliance/Council preparation to repell reapers untill he/she will prove that work whi Timmy is over and not to mention fact that his/her reputation within Alliance is partially destroyed because of that fact.

But in my case Timmy made grave mistake to even trying to rally my Shepard in his case because she doesn't forget view of murdered Adm. Kahoku or any other crimes whit Cerberus logo behind them.

  


I am not worried about insulting paragon players thats a choice a player makes. If Mass Effect 3 is about anti Cerberus and anti Miranda I promise you I will kill Liara and anyone that is on the side of the Alliance. I made my choice at the end of Mass Effect 2 since the game does not give me a option to join Cerberus. just like Anakin exterminated the Jedi in Revenge of The Sith I will do the same in ME 3 only this time I will exterminate the Alliance and Council 

[Urazz]

The goals of Cerberus aren't evil and is more in line with what the Salarian STG or Asari Commandos do for their respective races to some extent. The only problem is that Cerberus doesn't have a government to restrict it from going to far and the organization is led by a ruthless man whose goal is for humans dominating the universe no matter the means.



Maybe if Cerberus was lead by someone else and was back under tthe Alliance's supervision, then it wouldn't be an issue.

[Asheer_Khan]

ExtremeOne wrote...

Asheer_Khan wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

kanodin wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

I can see the Mass Effect 1 fans will never understand that Cerberus is doing something about stuff those clowns at the Alliance and council are not interested in. Oh but you Mass Effect 1 fans got your little wish because the player who wants his or her Shepard to join Cerberus can not even do it in the game. but yet you come on here bad mouthing Cerberus but fail to even talk about the Council and its out right not giving a crap if Shepard was dead or a live. Jacob even tells you in the game the Alliance used Shepard a recruitment puppet. what really pisses Me off is you ME 1 fans use that game as if it was the all mighty truth and nothing should ever challenge it. Shepard was brought back by Cerberus to get the job done.

So your argument is that since Cerberus helps Shepard it's simply impossible for them to be evil? And that all the evil things we saw them doing in ME 1 never actually happened and we should all just get over them because this is a new game? 

  

What I am saying is Mass Effect 2 was written with you Mass Effect 1 fans in mind since Shepard can not even join Cerberus at all even if players like myself want to see our Shepard join with Cerberus. If you want to keep buying into the crap from ME 1 then thats your choice. Mass Effect 2 sees The almighty Alliance and Council turn its back on Shepard so where he is suppose to go.  Cerberus did the right thing in bringing Shepard back. Its just ashame that Bioware had to basically made Mass Effect 2 where Shepard can not even decide for himself or herself either do I want to join Cerberus or do I not want to join Cerberus 

Soooo....

I start to see that you Cerberus lovers start to run out of arguments to defend Timmy and his terrorist group so it's comes time for camouflaged insults toward pagaron players???

Seriously i hope that ME 3 will give me chance to erase any thrace of that terrorists group from the face of the galaxy, and i am glad that i was able to show Miri true face of Timmy and help her to reach consensus that sticking up whit somebody who will not hesitated to stab back even his potential allies is not  good idea after all...

But Cerberus lovers are too blind to see how deep they fall on the Dark Side.

And about reviving  Shepard .
IF you pay very close attention to dialog between Timmy and Shepard AFTER Horizon he admit that he created a leaks about Shepard's work whit Cerberus KNOWING PRETTY WELL that such infos (especially in situation where Shepard  was literaly unable to confirm or deny such leaks)  will severe Shepard from Alliance and The Council since those both organizations declared Cerberus a terrorist group so Shepard is now on thier Watch List and my forget to recive ANY VITAL INFORMATION about possible Alliance/Council preparation to repell reapers untill he/she will prove that work whi Timmy is over and not to mention fact that his/her reputation within Alliance is partially destroyed because of that fact.

But in my case Timmy made grave mistake to even trying to rally my Shepard in his case because she doesn't forget view of murdered Adm. Kahoku or any other crimes whit Cerberus logo behind them.

  


I am not worried about insulting paragon players thats a choice a player makes. If Mass Effect 3 is about anti Cerberus and anti Miranda I promise you I will kill Liara and anyone that is on the side of the Alliance. I made my choice at the end of Mass Effect 2 since the game does not give me a option to join Cerberus. just like Anakin exterminated the Jedi in Revenge of The Sith I will do the same in ME 3 only this time I will exterminate the Alliance and Council 

Welcome on the Dark Side my child... and have fun in your future (assuming that you will be able  somehow to beat reapers) neverending wars whit rest of the galaxy...

[Barquiel]

ExtremeOne wrote...

I am not worried about insulting paragon players thats a choice a player makes. If Mass Effect 3 is about anti Cerberus and anti Miranda I promise you I will kill Liara and anyone that is on the side of the Alliance. I made my choice at the end of Mass Effect 2 since the game does not give me a option to join Cerberus. just like Anakin exterminated the Jedi in Revenge of The Sith I will do the same in ME 3 only this time I will exterminate the Alliance and Council 

...and the op wonders why cerberus is evil:innocent:

[Blind Lark]

They are known as terrorists because of the ruthless ambition they utilize. Tim is willing to use any resource or tactic to further human dominance, and therefore commits crimes. The motto Cerberus lives by is "The ends justify the means." That sort of ruthless ambition ultimately leads to the negative connatation with Cerberus.

[Twisteddm]

TIM ".. Technology from that base could have secured human dominance in the glaxay against the reapers and beyond."

Shep: "Human Dominance? or Cerberus?"

TIM: "Cerberus IS humanity..."

A direct quote of the dialogue from the end of the game (just completed it again) if you take the paragon ending... I think this pretty clearly shows what Cerberus' goals are... and the Illusive Man's megalomania and delusions of grandeur. Are they evil ? I guess that depends on your agenda. If it matches that of Cerberus, then no they aren't. If it doesn't, (and mine doesn't) they seem pretty well over the line.

And as for 'joining' Cerberus, you are already working for them... on board ship you generally have the option of two Cerberus uniforms or a science outfit and general Spacer type outfit.. with the release of the Assault Armour you can proudly parade around in shiny Cerberus duds on the Citadel. There are also plenty of conversation options that indicate that you agree with Cerberus and their goals... you can even say so to the Council in your meeting with them (hint: they are generally the bottom otions.) So as for 'joining' them.... no, there's no specific moment that you can choose to 'join' Cerberus, but as it is already implied you are working with them anyway your actions and choices determine whether you want to remain a part of the organisation after the mission is complete.

Modifié par Twisteddm, 26 février 2010 - 02:13 .

[Sturmwulfe]

Mess Sergeant Gardner is the janitor as well as the cook. This is enough to convince me they are a vile, vile organization.

Probably another one of their freaky, cruel science expariments.

Modifié par Sturmwulfe, 26 février 2010 - 03:02 .

[Sharn01]

ExtremeOne wrote...


I am not worried about insulting paragon players thats a choice a player makes. If Mass Effect 3 is about anti Cerberus and anti Miranda I promise you I will kill Liara and anyone that is on the side of the Alliance. I made my choice at the end of Mass Effect 2 since the game does not give me a option to join Cerberus. just like Anakin exterminated the Jedi in Revenge of The Sith I will do the same in ME 3 only this time I will exterminate the Alliance and Council 

So basicly what your saying is you want your Shepard to murder children, I am ok if that is the way you want to play the game, but tell me again how that makes Cerberus and you good, and not evil?

[jklinders]

Not going to bother replying to specific psts here. Just got back from work and found all sorts of nonsense in here.


If I am reading the pro-cerberus comments correctly here then the pro arguments seem to boil down to "All governments are evil, Cerberus is not a government so they are not evil" Or "Cerberus is no worse than the STG or Turians"(actually they have a point there.)

I posted anbout this in a different topic but darned if I will ever find that one again. the litany of cerberus' crimes was repeated in here several times so I won't bother. So let's stick with what we have from ME2.

Shepard dies and Cerberus brings him back. 4 billion credits spent on one man/woman, why? If TIM is to be believed it is because Shepard is special. Ok fair enough. What was special about Shepard in ME1, seems like Shepard was at his/her best when not given any instructions. Get out there stop Saren, even breaking out of the Citedal in the end game was a perfect example of that. If Shepard was so speciel why did TIM feel it so necessary to lead him around like a bull with a ring in his nose? Because there was other motives than the obvious.

Normandy 2 and it's crew was an elaberate public relations campaign with one target, Shepard. A crew handpicked right down to that nice cheerful yeoman Kelly to make Shepard feel warm and fuzzy about Cerberus. EDI tells you that she and the new Normandy were built using tech scavved from Sovereign. Hmmmm what did Anderson say about Sovereign? Oh right, all the juicy bits were scavved before official crews got there. We KNOW the Turians got some of it too(Thanix Cannon) We also know the turians are not sharing(codex says nothing about the other council races getting in on this) So the council believes that Soveriegn is just a big ship becuase it's AI components went to the new Normandy and they did not even get a good look at the weapons because they were shunted off too.

TIM says information is his weapon, oh is it ever. After horizomn he said he left a few carefully disguised rumors Shep was alive and working for Cerberus; HE DID NOT SAY WHEN. For all we know the rumors started years before Shep even woke up. Cerberus is considered an enemy of the Alliance and the council. Anyone besides me think that this was calculated specifically to isolate Shepard from his/her former allies? Would this isolation not force him to think that he/she had no one else to turn to for resources?


This takes me back to the question of why put so much effort into bring just one person back. TIM has highly placed agents in the Alliance, he could have had entire fleets devoted to stopping the attacks if that is what he cared about. But if the Alliance fleet was involved could he have kept the tech in that base to himself? the answer of course is no. So in conclusion, TIM allowed the deaths of hundreds of thousands of colonists so that he could put Shepard in the position of thinking he had no choice but to give that collector base to him and so that only those TIM wanbted would control it's technology.

Is cerberus evil? I think the answer is self explanitory.

[Moogliepie]

Cerebus is evil, plain and simple. Just because TIM claims to care about humanity, doesn't mean he actually does. It's just a weak justification for a power-hungry megalomaniac to commit an endless string of unconscionable atrocities. I'm sure the Reapers have their own sort of rationalization for enslaving and exterminating a large number of the galaxy's sentient beings.

Modifié par Moogliepie, 26 février 2010 - 05:08 .

[Sharn01]

jklinders wrote...

Not going to bother replying to specific psts here. Just got back from work and found all sorts of nonsense in here.


If I am reading the pro-cerberus comments correctly here then the pro arguments seem to boil down to "All governments are evil, Cerberus is not a government so they are not evil" Or "Cerberus is no worse than the STG or Turians"(actually they have a point there.)

I posted anbout this in a different topic but darned if I will ever find that one again. the litany of cerberus' crimes was repeated in here several times so I won't bother. So let's stick with what we have from ME2.

Shepard dies and Cerberus brings him back. 4 billion credits spent on one man/woman, why? If TIM is to be believed it is because Shepard is special. Ok fair enough. What was special about Shepard in ME1, seems like Shepard was at his/her best when not given any instructions. Get out there stop Saren, even breaking out of the Citedal in the end game was a perfect example of that. If Shepard was so speciel why did TIM feel it so necessary to lead him around like a bull with a ring in his nose? Because there was other motives than the obvious.

Normandy 2 and it's crew was an elaberate public relations campaign with one target, Shepard. A crew handpicked right down to that nice cheerful yeoman Kelly to make Shepard feel warm and fuzzy about Cerberus. EDI tells you that she and the new Normandy were built using tech scavved from Sovereign. Hmmmm what did Anderson say about Sovereign? Oh right, all the juicy bits were scavved before official crews got there. We KNOW the Turians got some of it too(Thanix Cannon) We also know the turians are not sharing(codex says nothing about the other council races getting in on this) So the council believes that Soveriegn is just a big ship becuase it's AI components went to the new Normandy and they did not even get a good look at the weapons because they were shunted off too.

TIM says information is his weapon, oh is it ever. After horizomn he said he left a few carefully disguised rumors Shep was alive and working for Cerberus; HE DID NOT SAY WHEN. For all we know the rumors started years before Shep even woke up. Cerberus is considered an enemy of the Alliance and the council. Anyone besides me think that this was calculated specifically to isolate Shepard from his/her former allies? Would this isolation not force him to think that he/she had no one else to turn to for resources?


This takes me back to the question of why put so much effort into bring just one person back. TIM has highly placed agents in the Alliance, he could have had entire fleets devoted to stopping the attacks if that is what he cared about. But if the Alliance fleet was involved could he have kept the tech in that base to himself? the answer of course is no. So in conclusion, TIM allowed the deaths of hundreds of thousands of colonists so that he could put Shepard in the position of thinking he had no choice but to give that collector base to him and so that only those TIM wanbted would control it's technology.

Is cerberus evil? I think the answer is self explanitory.

Well said, I cannot convey my message nearly as well with written word.