130 réponses à ce sujet

[Sockwolf]

It still needs a bar.

[sergio71785]

The SR2 is basically a mini-reaper, with Shepard's charisma being its version of indoctrination. 

[Kahlmulandr]

Its a powerful ship yes but its also a dangerous ship for its crew....think about it eveytime even a piece of reaper tech has been found in ME1 and ME2 over time it indoctrinates people that have been around it (surveyors and the ship with husks in ME1, the dead reaper in ME2). That said the Thanix cannons are from reaper tech but not sure if they include reaper tech or are just designed from it, BUT we do know that EDI is made up partially from salvaged reaper and also the IFF....Dangerous

[chool77]

Aisynia wrote...

Aside from reapers, of course. And I don't mean the most powerful either, but the most dangerous.

The fully upgraded SR-2 has:

It's stealth systems which allow it to venture into places other ships simply cannot, dropping off Shepard (most lethal person in the galaxy) and her team anywhere necessary.

dont you mean hiiiiiiisss team

[Aisynia]

Beechwell wrote...

The stealth system is of course its big advantage; but I wouldn't rule out the possibility that the Turians may be able to copy the tech, depending on how close the cooperation was when building the Normandy.

The turians just come off as way too shortsighted to make extensive use of such technology.

I don't know how much better EDI is compared to VI in her virtual warfare abilities, so I'll leave that open. I'm certainly not convinced of her loyalty. That is, the EDI persona we know is probably loyal to Shepard, but I would suspect that TIM may have built some routines into her to ensure loyalty if necessary.

EDI is a LOT smarter and more sophisticated than a VI. If an enemy vessel is using any kind of cyber warfare suites, it will be handled by a VI, which EDI would automatically outclass. This is just pure intelligence and processing power, not taking into account the fact that she was built using Reaper technology and has Reaper made viruses at her dispossal to attack with.

And I'm not sure about Shepard being the "most lethal person in the galaxy" either. (S)he is the right person in the right place, but I would imagine certain powerful Krogans or Asari matriarchs to be potentially more lethal in direct combat.

Of course, in gameplay terms, any character controlled by the player is practically the most lethal person in the galaxy.

Made my point for me

[marshalleck]

Arbiter156 wrote...

no it isnt the most dangerous ship in the galaxy, yes whilst it is very technologically advanced it is only a frigate ad couldnt stand up against the everest, destiny ascention, or harbinger. and it only survived the collector ship attack through, manouverabilty. the thanix cannon is tech stolen from the turians, which was adapted from sovreigns weapon, (its the same type as the red lasers it used agianst the citadel fleet). it is by far the best in its class. but its IES stealth system will not hide it from the collectors or the reapers. 

You're assuming a toe-to-toe slugfest. Dreadnoughts aren't the be-all end-all of naval combat in ME. Basically all they do is hammer away at each other's defenses while packs of frigates engage each other to keep the dreadnoughts safe. You saw how useful a dreadnought is against frigates in ME1 when the Destiny Ascension got owned, assuming you don't save it.

[marshalleck]

sergio71785 wrote...

The SR2 is basically a mini-reaper, with Shepard's charisma being its version of indoctrination. 

Imagine the SR-2 slowly descending over a colony with Shepard on a loudspeaker broadcasting paragon/renegade persuasion checks. They'd be unstoppable.

[Riot Inducer]

Aisynia wrote...
You can occasionally hear a news story about a Normandy-class vessel completing an assignment on the news. I doubt the alliance's Normandy-class vessels are more advanced than the SR-1.

Yeah, I doubt they would spend too much on improving the combat abilities of the Normandy class since the design seemed to be based around stealth recon/infiltration. It seemed like it was designed to be a ship that would almost never have to engage in direct combat, if anything they'd probably improve the engine performance and sensor suite. 

[Aisynia]

Arbiter156 wrote...

no it isnt the most dangerous ship in the galaxy, yes whilst it is very technologically advanced it is only a frigate ad couldnt stand up against the everest, destiny ascention, or harbinger. and it only survived the collector ship attack through, manouverabilty. the thanix cannon is tech stolen from the turians, which was adapted from sovreigns weapon, (its the same type as the red lasers it used agianst the citadel fleet). it is by far the best in its class. but its IES stealth system will not hide it from the collectors or the reapers. 

It's not all about the weapons. The Thanix cannon is "one mean mother" but it is not really what makes Normandy so god-awful dangerous.. it's the combination of all these things that add up to make it so scary.

Of course a dreadnaught could probably obliterate it in one shot.. but good luck getting a firing solution

[Arbiter156]

marshalleck wrote...

Arbiter156 wrote...

no it isnt the most dangerous ship in the galaxy, yes whilst it is very technologically advanced it is only a frigate ad couldnt stand up against the everest, destiny ascention, or harbinger. and it only survived the collector ship attack through, manouverabilty. the thanix cannon is tech stolen from the turians, which was adapted from sovreigns weapon, (its the same type as the red lasers it used agianst the citadel fleet). it is by far the best in its class. but its IES stealth system will not hide it from the collectors or the reapers. 

You're assuming a toe-to-toe slugfest. Dreadnoughts aren't the be-all end-all of naval combat in ME. Basically all they do is hammer away at each other's defenses while packs of frigates engage each other to keep the dreadnoughts safe. You saw how useful a dreadnought is against frigates in ME1 when the Destiny Ascension got owned, assuming you don't save it.

in the words of rear admiral mikalovich, "its a gimmick commander, useless in a standup fight"

[sergio71785]

I think the Normandy could take down a dreadnought. Between its stealth system and higher maneuverability, the Dreadnaught would have extreme difficulty landing a punch. The Thannix cannon hits incredibly hard too, and of course there's EDI to completely mess up their computer systems via cyber warfare.

[Arbiter156]

sergio71785 wrote...

I think the Normandy could take down a dreadnought. Between its stealth system and higher maneuverability, the Dreadnaught would have extreme difficulty landing a punch. The Thannix cannon hits incredibly hard too, and of course there's EDI to completely mess up their computer systems via cyber warfare.

hmm.... doubt edi could mess with a reaper.... 

[Gill Kaiser]

EDI could probably turn off life support in a dreadnaught.

[Arbiter156]

Gill Kaiser wrote...

EDI could probably turn off life support in a dreadnaught.

yeah. doubt reapers have a need for air.....

[Kahlmulandr]

marshalleck wrote...

sergio71785 wrote...

The SR2 is basically a mini-reaper, with Shepard's charisma being its version of indoctrination. 

Imagine the SR-2 slowly descending over a colony with Shepard on a loudspeaker broadcasting paragon/renegade persuasion checks. They'd be unstoppable.

And Samara standing right next to you saying "Morinth had nowhere near the power too dominate that you do."

[Aisynia]

Gill Kaiser wrote...

EDI could probably turn off life support in a dreadnaught.

Turn off life supprt, gravity, screw with its sensor results to disable its abiity to get a firing solution on the Normandy, melt down its reactor, etcetera.

Modifié par Aisynia, 25 février 2010 - 08:09 .

[aaniadyen]

marshalleck wrote...

Arbiter156 wrote...

no it isnt the most dangerous ship in the galaxy, yes whilst it is very technologically advanced it is only a frigate ad couldnt stand up against the everest, destiny ascention, or harbinger. and it only survived the collector ship attack through, manouverabilty. the thanix cannon is tech stolen from the turians, which was adapted from sovreigns weapon, (its the same type as the red lasers it used agianst the citadel fleet). it is by far the best in its class. but its IES stealth system will not hide it from the collectors or the reapers. 

You're assuming a toe-to-toe slugfest. Dreadnoughts aren't the be-all end-all of naval combat in ME. Basically all they do is hammer away at each other's defenses while packs of frigates engage each other to keep the dreadnoughts safe. You saw how useful a dreadnought is against frigates in ME1 when the Destiny Ascension got owned, assuming you don't save it.

Even so, dreadnoughts probably have massive generators for their kinetic barriers. The codex entry on the Normandy's upgraded shields indicate that they are not designed for long, drawn-out fights. If the Normandy went up against a dreadnought toe-to toe, the dreadnought would probably take out the Normandy's shields and force it to flee before the Normandy could get more than three shots off with the Thanix canon.

[HeavyTankZA]

but first they need to detect the normandy.

[Arbiter156]

Kahlmulandr wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

sergio71785 wrote...

The SR2 is basically a mini-reaper, with Shepard's charisma being its version of indoctrination. 

Imagine the SR-2 slowly descending over a colony with Shepard on a loudspeaker broadcasting paragon/renegade persuasion checks. They'd be unstoppable.

And Samara standing right next to you saying "Morinth had nowhere near the power too dominate that you do."

and then conrad verner shows up, scaring off commander shepard by asking for another autograph

[sergio71785]

Arbiter156 wrote...

Gill Kaiser wrote...

EDI could probably turn off life support in a dreadnaught.

yeah. doubt reapers have a need for air.....

Reapers are not Dreadnoughts. The fact that they're both large ships are the only thing they have in common. 

[aaniadyen]

Aisynia wrote...

Gill Kaiser wrote...

EDI could probably turn off life support in a dreadnaught.

Turn off life supprt, gravity, screw with its sensor results to disable its abiity to get a firing solution on the Normandy, melt down its reactor, etcetera.

-.- Well at this point why not just give Commander Shepard a fleet of Reapers? That essentially makes the Normandy invincible.

[Arbiter156]

HeavyTankZA wrote...

but first they need to detect the normandy.

reapers and collectors have tech which can detect the normandy, like at the start of ME2

[sergio71785]

marshalleck wrote...

sergio71785 wrote...

The SR2 is basically a mini-reaper, with Shepard's charisma being its version of indoctrination. 

Imagine the SR-2 slowly descending over a colony with Shepard on a loudspeaker broadcasting paragon/renegade persuasion checks. They'd be unstoppable.

Oh man, the mental image of that, is just hilarious :lol:

[marshalleck]

Arbiter156 wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Arbiter156 wrote...

no it isnt the most dangerous ship in the galaxy, yes whilst it is very technologically advanced it is only a frigate ad couldnt stand up against the everest, destiny ascention, or harbinger. and it only survived the collector ship attack through, manouverabilty. the thanix cannon is tech stolen from the turians, which was adapted from sovreigns weapon, (its the same type as the red lasers it used agianst the citadel fleet). it is by far the best in its class. but its IES stealth system will not hide it from the collectors or the reapers. 

You're assuming a toe-to-toe slugfest. Dreadnoughts aren't the be-all end-all of naval combat in ME. Basically all they do is hammer away at each other's defenses while packs of frigates engage each other to keep the dreadnoughts safe. You saw how useful a dreadnought is against frigates in ME1 when the Destiny Ascension got owned, assuming you don't save it.

in the words of rear admiral mikalovich, "its a gimmick commander, useless in a standup fight"

Dreadnoughts are designed for taking on other dreadnoughts. They don't engage frigates, they're too small and maneuverable. Packs of firgates can bring enough firepower to bear on dreadnought to take it down, but individually probably not. SR-2's firepower however is leagues beyond a conventional frigate or even a cruiser.

Read the Codex. Rear Admiral Mikhailovic is notable for his short-sightedness when it comes to the value of the first Normandy. We're talking about the Sr-2, by the way.

[Aisynia]

aaniadyen wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Arbiter156 wrote...

no it isnt the most dangerous ship in the galaxy, yes whilst it is very technologically advanced it is only a frigate ad couldnt stand up against the everest, destiny ascention, or harbinger. and it only survived the collector ship attack through, manouverabilty. the thanix cannon is tech stolen from the turians, which was adapted from sovreigns weapon, (its the same type as the red lasers it used agianst the citadel fleet). it is by far the best in its class. but its IES stealth system will not hide it from the collectors or the reapers. 

You're assuming a toe-to-toe slugfest. Dreadnoughts aren't the be-all end-all of naval combat in ME. Basically all they do is hammer away at each other's defenses while packs of frigates engage each other to keep the dreadnoughts safe. You saw how useful a dreadnought is against frigates in ME1 when the Destiny Ascension got owned, assuming you don't save it.

Even so, dreadnoughts probably have massive generators for their kinetic barriers. The codex entry on the Normandy's upgraded shields indicate that they are not designed for long, drawn-out fights. If the Normandy went up against a dreadnought toe-to toe, the dreadnought would probably take out the Normandy's shields and force it to flee before the Normandy could get more than three shots off with the Thanix canon.

This is all assuming the dreadnought could maneuver its gun into a position to fire on the Normandy. With the Normandy's maneuverability, stealth technology (can't pick it up on sensors, at least for the first couple minutes of a fight before they were forced to vent heat or get cooked), and the possibility of EDI hacking their targeting systems, it would be nearly impossible to actually hit the Normandy with its main gun. And dreadnoughts are basically built around that gun.