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[SithLordExarKun]

I read it somewhere on this forum when some member posted a link, cant seem to find it but i recall the director of FFXIII wasn't too pleased with it being outsold by ME2 in japan.


Ah heres the link one of the members talked about SE getting upset over ME2 outselling FFXIII in japan

http://social.biowar...3/index/1250255

Modifié par SithLordExarKun, 21 mars 2010 - 04:04 .

[eriaa]

Hm, didn't realize the woman who voiced Liara is the same woman who voiced Lightning in the NA version.

[Twitchmonkey]

eriaa wrote...

Hm, didn't realize the woman who voiced Liara is the same woman who voiced Lightning in the NA version.

Both characters are equally devoid of convincing emotion, but in Liara's case, I think it was intentional.

[Mr.Skar]

Lightning just continues to bug me. While I like the fact that she can be a legit main character without straying too far into cheesecake territory, her mopiness sucks.

[GnusmasTHX]

Rofl... 99.999999999999999999999999 is below expectations.



This game has hype falling out of its anus.

[Ascendant_Sith]

I hope FFXIII does poorly here in the States. I think Bethesda and Bioware made far better RPGs this past decade by essentially reinventing them and making them cool and actually tons of fun to replay over and over with different choices.

[Twitchmonkey]

Ascendant_Sith wrote...

I hope FFXIII does poorly here in the States. I think Bethesda and Bioware made far better RPGs this past decade by essentially reinventing them and making them cool and actually tons of fun to replay over and over with different choices.

Well, Bethesda (while great) has essentially been using the same approach since about '94, so I'm not sure about that one, but yeah, Bioware is cool.

[TrueHD]

The question is why Japan is incapable of creating interesting characters anymore.

Modifié par TrueHD, 21 mars 2010 - 08:24 .

[Panderfringe]

TrueHD wrote...

The question is why Japan is incapable of creating interesting characters anymore.

Name one interesting character in any RPG.

[TrueHD]

Krelian from Xenogears.

[Rubbish Hero]

There all copy pasted man girls and what looks like racist drawings of black people.

[Panderfringe]

TrueHD wrote...

Krelian from Xenogears.

I disagree.

SEE WHAT I DID THERE.

[Wrath of Bong]

Out of curiosity, is Krelian a japanese character who is androgynous, who looks younger than he is and is or will be brooding emo during the game?

Modifié par Wrath of Bong, 22 mars 2010 - 12:17 .

[Wrath of Bong]

Panderfringe wrote...

TrueHD wrote...

The question is why Japan is incapable of creating interesting characters anymore.

Name one interesting character in any RPG.

The Nameless One from Planescape: Torment. In fact, characters you play in the game are interesting. But if you want something more recent, Morrigan from Dragon Age and Tail, Garrus, Wrex and Liara from Mass Effect, they are quite interesting.

Modifié par Wrath of Bong, 22 mars 2010 - 12:15 .

[slackbheep]

I'm once again trying to get into FFXIII and having a hard time stomaching it. Characters like Snow and Hope have me groaning and rolling my eyes every time they open their damned mouths. There is really no reason to let you control your character outside of battle, as there has been a single straight path through every single environment I've encountered so far with an occasional side path to claim a floating loot ...ball?

Also, I don't know why Square decided that Final Fantasy games didn't already have ridiculous enough settings. I personally feel a thousand times goofier running around this bloody crystalized ocean than I ever did flying around the moon on FFIV.

[Syrellaris]

I actually am enjoying this version, sure its linear but theres really a lot to do at around chapter 10/11 and after you finish the game. Final Fantasy required a overhaul, perhaps this isnt the best they ever did but it is a new beginning of the final fantasy series.

[MerinTB]

I grew up playing adventure games on the PC (and RPG's and strategy, but you get the point) - adventure games were extremely linear and were more"interactive picture books" than even FF XIII at its worse is an "interactive movie" - and what's the problem with that, anyway? I know some gamers who don't like messing with inventories, character statistics, nor manual dexterity skills. They liked games like Myst or all those old Sierra games. I know one gamer who waits anxiously for each new release of Simon the Sorcerer, and we swap stories of our experiences with all those Adventure Company games.



I do find it amusing how often it's thrown out how bad the "story" or "characters" or "dialog" is in a game, in games nowadays that have resources and top-notch talent doing the work. You want bad dialog and bad voice-acting for video games, forget FF XIII or DAO - try these!

[the_one_54321]

Ascendant_Sith wrote...
I think Bethesda and Bioware made far better RPGs this past decade by essentially reinventing them and making them cool and actually tons of fun to replay over and over with different choices.

Ascendant_Sith wrote...
I hope FFXIII does poorly here in the States.

Let me make sure I've got this straight.

I like Bethesda and BioWare.
Therefore Final Fantasy should fail in the states.

Does anyone else see how this is vindictive bs or is it just me? 

[the_one_54321]

TrueHD wrote...
The question is why Japan is incapable of creating interesting characters anymore.

I think it's more a question of people being incapable of reading between the lines anymore. They want the characters to be spoon fed to them. Easy to understand.

SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS

Snow in FFXIII is the perfect example. People have been whining up and down about his lame cheesey dialog. How he's so 2D and cliched and so irritating and boring.

Read between the lines.

Snow is nothing he says he is. Snow is an irrisponsible, foolhardy, idealistic fool, and it's all he can do to even convince himself to believe the things he says. The character was not meant to be taken seriously. You get that in the opening sequences of the game. "First impression of Snow: all talk." What are the implications of that? You need to look deeper than the voice acting to see what's going on inside the characters. They are far deeper than anyone is giving them credit for, and it's all because most folks playing the game aren't willing to to read between the lines, and the folks who haven't even played it haven't actually seen any lines to read between.

[MightySword]

Wrath of Bong wrote...

Out of curiosity, is Krelian a japanese character who is androgynous, who looks younger than he is and is or will be brooding emo during the game?

He's a 10 centuries old man who's pissed at the world so much that he set out to kill the god and create his own.  He looks like he's in his 30. I don't think he's an emo though.

As for interesting characters in RPG ... hum ... I think I'll have to give it to all the characters in Xenogears. While the excution is not perfect I think they resemble the most interesting cast to date as a whole.

the_one_54321 wrote...
Read between the lines.

Snow is nothing he says he is. Snow is an irrisponsible, foolhardy, idealistic fool, and it's all he can do to even convince himself
to believe the things he says. The character was not meant to be taken
seriously. You get that in the opening sequences of the game. "First
impression of Snow: all talk." What are the implications of that? You
need to look deeper than the voice acting to see what's going on inside
the characters. They are far deeper than anyone is
giving them credit for, and it's all because most folks playing the
game aren't willing to to read between the lines, and the folks who
haven't even played it haven't actually seen any lines to read between.

As someone who play and read a lot of JRPG and VN I'm not unfamiliar with what you said, despite that I sitll maintain my notion that for the most part FFXIII are bad. It's funny, if you ask me which character I hate the most, I would say it's Hope. Yet if you asks me which character is most success for its role, I would say it's also Hope. I hate Hope for his archetype and the role he has to play, but at least I can acknowledge he plays it right (relatively). The other characters though fall flat at what they're trying to do for the most part. I actually have more problem with Lightning than Snow in that regard.


Reading between the line is a difficulty technique for the writer. You can either create a subtle yet intriguing character if you're success, but you risk a bland and pretentious character if you fail and I think FFXIII more or less falls into the latter case for the most part. I said it right, I have good understand of what the characters are story are supposed to be, but that just makes it all the more frustriated at the poor execution.

Modifié par MightySword, 24 mars 2010 - 05:16 .

[the_one_54321]

MightySword wrote...
As someone who play and read a lot of JRPG and VN I'm not unfamiliar with what you said, despite that I sitll maintain my notion that for the most part FFXIII are bad. It's funny, if you ask me which character I hate the most, I would say it's Hope. Yet if you asks me which character is most success for its role, I would say it's also Hope. I hate Hope for his archetype and the role he has to play, but at least I can acknowledge he plays it right (relatively). The other characters though fall flat at what they're trying to do for the most part. I actually have more problem with Lightnight than Snow in that regard.
Reading between the line is a difficulty technique for the writer. You can either create a subtle yet intriguing character if you're success, but you risk a bland and pretentious character if you fail and I think FFXIII more or less falls into the latter case for the most part. I said it right, I have good understand of what the characters are story are supposed to be, but that just makes it all the more frustriated at the poor execution.

I like them because they are so easy to dislike. It's the same way I enjoy Morrigan. She's chaotic stupid and she does it so well. I love to hate her.

Similarly, Hope behaves like an over-mothered child with zero maturity. Snow is a foolhardy idealist who can barely manage to keep with his own running mouth. Lightning is vindictive and directionless. Vanille is a coward in disguise. Sazh... is the only openly aweseom character of the group. Or perhaps the only one with a shred of maturity. They are human, and full of flaws, and I am really enjoying that.

And MS, to be fair, most everyone else only looks at the face value of the character and says "ew cliche" and then denounces the whole thing. It's why I can accept your dislike of it and continue the discussion. But for many others it's "I don't like it because of [insert inaccurate statement here]" and that irks me.

Modifié par the_one_54321, 24 mars 2010 - 05:18 .

[MightySword]

the_one_54321 wrote...

I like them because they are so easy to dislike. It's the same way I enjoy Morrigan. She's chaotic stupid and she does it so well. I love to hate her.

Similarly, Hope behaves like an over-mothered child with zero maturity. Snow is a foolhardy idealist who can barely manage to keep with his own running mouth. Lightning is vindictive and directionless. Vanille is a coward in disguise. Sazh... is the only openly aweseom character of the group. Or perhaps the only one with a shred of maturity. They are human, and full of flaws, and I am really enjoying that.

I always say a successful character is a character who makes you feel some soft of emotion. If you say you love a character, than that's a good character. If you say you hate a character so much you want that character die, then that's ALSO a great character. Either making you dream or driving you against a wall, that means the character does something.

A bad character to me is not a character that I hate, it's a character that does not provoke any kind of reaction from me. See, I say I hate Hope (for the reason you cited), however by successful making me hate him, he's success as a character. Maybe his character is meant to be hated by someone like me, so it's something. That's also why I use the word "flat" for the other characters. Sure, I won't say I like Lightning or Snow, but if you ask me to pick out a specific quality to hate them, I can't. To me they're invisible as far as emotional reaction goes, and that's the reason they fail, for me at least. What the characters are meant to me? Nothing.

Modifié par MightySword, 24 mars 2010 - 05:27 .

[the_one_54321]

But you can still enjoy a character without really loving or hating them. I'm expecting to like the changes that happen in Lightning and Snow, but I haven't gotten that far yet. For now, I find them very interesting because their behavior is very human. They feel real to me, and I am enjoying that.



I would say that a good character has one of three qualities: it draws your interest, it makes you love it, or it makes you hate it.

[MightySword]

the_one_54321 wrote...
I would say that a good character has one of three qualities: it draws your interest, it makes you love it, or it makes you hate it.

I agree, sadly the FFXIII's characters fail on all  3 counts, with Hope maybe picking up the last one.

the_one_54321 wrote...
And MS, to be fair, most everyone else
only looks at the face value of the character and says "ew cliche" and
then denounces the whole thing. It's why I can accept your dislike of
it and continue the discussion. But for many others it's "I don't like
it because of [insert inaccurate statement here]" and that irks me.

I wrote an essay on why I dislike them, I expected some little credit

Modifié par MightySword, 24 mars 2010 - 05:35 .

[the_one_54321]

MightySword wrote...
sadly the FFXIII's characters fail on all  3 counts, with Hope maybe picking up the last one.

I disagree, but at least you were willing to really examine the characters.

Modifié par the_one_54321, 24 mars 2010 - 05:36 .