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[Liso66]

shedevil3001 wrote...



excuse me for pointing this out but doesnt a hn do the same thing with arl howe for revenge so how are we any different to alistair and hes not a spoiled brat duncan was like a father and cailan was his half brother it obviously hurt him too much to even consider letting loghain live if someone hurt my family in any way theres no way i'd forgive them and like alistair explains being a grey warden is an honor why honor loghain for his treachery

This is true.. However.. I knew by Reordian's comment, Loghian would be a means to an end. I knew this before he told the night before the battle. It was quite obvious. I was also pissed off at Reordian for not telling me sooner! Especially after asking him so many questions regarding blights etc..  Eh.. they wrote the story to create the twist in the plot. Sadly, it was not twisted enough for me not to figure it out myself.

[BostonVamp]

Well, I hate to stir the pot and run...

But I need to get to work & it's raining here which means the drive is gonna be tough. Hope everyone has a pleasant day! See ya later! Bye! "hugs, waves & kisses to all"

[Liso66]

BostonVamp wrote...

Really?!  Huh...I guess the winner controls the 'truth" about history.

LOL  Isn't that always the case? 

[shedevil3001]

i'd kill loghain every time but as i say if this was a real life situation if someone hurt people i considered my family and cared about a great deal i sure as hell wouldnt go here i reward you for it become a grey warden that way while i'm asleep you can kill me and finsh what you started nope i think alistair was correct in what he says even if he is a bit whiny but he has very good reason imo

[Liso66]

bye bye Vampy.. drive safe and see you later "hugs back"

[Kenrae]

shedevil3001 wrote...

Kenrae wrote...
Compelling? He sounded like a spoiled brat, putting his personal vendetta over ending a blight. It doesn't matter how bad Loghain is, ending the blight is far more important than vengeance.
To put it bluntly: Duncan would have recruited him.

excuse me for pointing this out but doesnt a hn do the same thing with arl howe for revenge so how are we any different to alistair

It depends on how you play it, but killing Howe is needed to end the blight at that moment. But yes, we can be as flawed as Alistair there.

and hes not a spoiled brat duncan was like a father and cailan was his half brother it obviously hurt him too much to even consider letting loghain live if someone hurt my family in any way theres no way i'd forgive them and like alistair explains being a grey warden is an honor why honor loghain for his treachery

- Being a Grey Waden is a responsiblitiy and a curse, not an honor. Considering that an honor is living in an alternate reality.
- If someone hurt my family and later that someone was important to save humanity from, I don't know, a nuclear disaster and extinction, I'd supress my rage. That wouldn't mean I'd forgive that person, just that there are things more important than my personal feelings. Besides, kiling that person wouldn't bring back my family.

[shedevil3001]

byeee bv "waves" catch you later

[MaxQuartiroli]

Goodbye Vampiliciuos !

[Liso66]

shedevil3001 wrote...

i'd kill loghain every time but as i say if this was a real life situation if someone hurt people i considered my family and cared about a great deal i sure as hell wouldnt go here i reward you for it become a grey warden that way while i'm asleep you can kill me and finsh what you started nope i think alistair was correct in what he says even if he is a bit whiny but he has very good reason imo

And sadly? the writers made this the best case scenario ending.. Loghain becomes a GW, Alistair marrys Anora, and you let Loghain take the final blow..  Alistair and Anora become the super power couple and do great things. You go off as a GW or what ever fate you chose. Just to end up alone at Vigil's Keep 

[MaxQuartiroli]

BostonVamp wrote...

He was a traitor and needed to die one way or another. I'll admit that I was surprised that you could kill him then and there, but them was part of the rules...

It's not a nice way
A man deserves however a trial and only after that he can be killed. And the image of Anora's face covered by the blood of his father suggest you have just done an evil action, and that you are a killer not a person who make justice...

Modifié par MaxQuartiroli, 23 mars 2010 - 01:04 .

[shedevil3001]

i didnt i married alistair killed loghain and became the hero of fereldon even though my hubby slept with morrigan and produced a demon god spawn but hmmmm never mind i'll probably have to kill baby alistair jr in a sequal :}

[Liso66]

Kenrae wrote...

shedevil3001 wrote...

Kenrae wrote...
Compelling? He sounded like a spoiled brat, putting his personal vendetta over ending a blight. It doesn't matter how bad Loghain is, ending the blight is far more important than vengeance.
To put it bluntly: Duncan would have recruited him.

excuse me for pointing this out but doesnt a hn do the same thing with arl howe for revenge so how are we any different to alistair

It depends on how you play it, but killing Howe is needed to end the blight at that moment. But yes, we can be as flawed as Alistair there.

and hes not a spoiled brat duncan was like a father and cailan was his half brother it obviously hurt him too much to even consider letting loghain live if someone hurt my family in any way theres no way i'd forgive them and like alistair explains being a grey warden is an honor why honor loghain for his treachery

- Being a Grey Waden is a responsiblitiy and a curse, not an honor. Considering that an honor is living in an alternate reality.
- If someone hurt my family and later that someone was important to save humanity from, I don't know, a nuclear disaster and extinction, I'd supress my rage. That wouldn't mean I'd forgive that person, just that there are things more important than my personal feelings. Besides, kiling that person wouldn't bring back my family.

I gotta agree with Pyrex.. My practical side feels the same way..  This is why I have all endings though.. I like knowing all scenarios possible. 

[Kenrae]

Bye Vampi! Take care!

[Kenrae]

MaxQuartiroli wrote...

BostonVamp wrote...

He was a traitor and needed to die one way or another. I'll admit that I was surprised that you could kill him then and there, but them was part of the rules...

It's not a nice way
A man deserves however a trial and only after that he can be killed. And the image of Anora's face covered by the blood of his father suggest you have just done an evil action, and that you are a killer not a person who make justice...

Heck, you could wait until the blight is ended and then send some crows after him if he's still alive. No problem with that:P

[shedevil3001]

see i dont agree though my main character is a hfn and i just cant trust loghain no matter what hes to treacherous look how he manipulated maric and poor maric felt like an empty shell of a man because of loghain at least with alistair he cares about the people and want to try to save everyone if he can that and my warden wouldnt have to sleep with a sword under her pillow like she would if loghain was in camp

[Liso66]

By the godz! We are on topic again!!! What is this world coming too?

[shedevil3001]

its a story that has us engrossed i guess bioware are awesome at writing as its got us all debating lol

[MaxQuartiroli]

My character is a HFN too... and the first time I spared Loghain I had Alistair not hardened... and I can say that I would like to have in that moment a mod like "punch baby Alistair"... BTW. I was still kind.. I gave the crown to Anora and I convinced her to spare Alistair's life.. even after seeing him act as a child I was really tempted to leave Anora killing him.. but I am too good therefore I couldn't do this...

Modifié par MaxQuartiroli, 23 mars 2010 - 01:13 .

[Liso66]

shedevil3001 wrote...

see i dont agree though my main character is a hfn and i just cant trust loghain no matter what hes to treacherous look how he manipulated maric and poor maric felt like an empty shell of a man because of loghain at least with alistair he cares about the people and want to try to save everyone if he can that and my warden wouldnt have to sleep with a sword under her pillow like she would if loghain was in camp

Ah but see...  Loghain is loyal to his causes.  He truly felt he was doing what was best for his country that he helped free 20 years prior.  After living under the Orliasian rule and being treated like slaves in your own country for a nearly a centry. You do not think Loghain has a right to his own fears?

All is fair in love and war..  Also..  Alistair was only a GW for 6mo.. prior to your own joining. It is not like he was affiliated for years and years.  His attachment to Duncan was kind of weird if you ask me. He was even kept out of the battles with the GW's due to his birth right..  Also. if you take Loghain to RtO.. you find out lots of interesting things. 

Modifié par Liso66, 23 mars 2010 - 01:16 .

[shedevil3001]

i cant critisize alistair i'd react the same if i were in his shoes and lost everything that mattered to me especially after talking to him and he says he never really belonged anywhere until he joined the grey wardens and that duncan was the only person who cared what he wanted and saw how unhappy he was in the chantry

[MaxQuartiroli]

But you are a Grey Warden and therefore you have to be a mature person.. You cannot say "If you don't kill him I won't be anymore a Grey Warden ga ga ga !!!" You may be angry with me, don't speak to me anymore but you just can't leave your mission in that way

Why didn't he think what Duncan would do if he would be here? And what would Duncan think if he would know he left the Grey Wardens? He's just not a mature person in that moment...

Luckily on my definitive playtrhough I had him hardened therefore things worked out a little better...

Modifié par MaxQuartiroli, 23 mars 2010 - 01:20 .

[Liso66]

MaxQuartiroli wrote...

But you are a Grey Warden and therefore you have to be a mature person.. You cannot say "If you don't kill him I won't be anymore a Grey Warden ga ga ga !!!" You may be angry with me, don't speak to me anymore but you just can't leave your mission in that way

Why didn't he think what Duncan would do if he would be here? And what would Duncan think if he would know he left the Grey Wardens? He's just not a mature person in that moment...

Luckily on my definitive playtrhough I had him hardened therefore things worked out a little better...

Exactly! 

[shedevil3001]

Liso66 wrote...

shedevil3001 wrote...

see i dont agree though my main character is a hfn and i just cant trust loghain no matter what hes to treacherous look how he manipulated maric and poor maric felt like an empty shell of a man because of loghain at least with alistair he cares about the people and want to try to save everyone if he can that and my warden wouldnt have to sleep with a sword under her pillow like she would if loghain was in camp

Ah but see...  Loghain is loyal to his causes.  He truly felt he was doing what was best for his country that he helped free 20 years prior.  After living under the Orliasian rule and being treated like slaves in your own country for a nearly a centry. You do not think Loghain has a right to his own fears?

All is fair in love and war..  Also..  Alistair was only a GW for 6mo.. prior to your own joining. It is not like he was affiliated for years and years.  His attachment to Duncan was kind of weird if you ask me. He was even kept out of the battles with the GW's due to his birth right..  Also. if you take Loghain to RtO.. you find out lots of interesting things. 

i hate to throw this card but i'm gonna your from usa so you learned about the american civil war well any living person that was forced into slavery from then would kill loghain for his part in selling elves into slavery no matter how he tried to justify himself or his actions he even says it himself he was wrong about alot of things and i agree with him especially on the slavery thing that is unforgivible alone without all the other betrayals and as for alistair well yes he is weird but it add to his character but he is still a good man which at the end if you have him marry anora even she says that been a grey warden to him is about the highest honor anyone can have it means a great deal to him and making loghain a grey warden is betraying everything it stands for as far as alistair is concerned so its understandible how he reacts no one says its a perfect solution but with war theres always casualties in my game loghain is among the casualties

[MoSa09]

MaxQuartiroli wrote...

BostonVamp wrote...

He was a traitor and needed to die one way or another. I'll admit that I was surprised that you could kill him then and there, but them was part of the rules...

It's not a nice way
A man deserves however a trial and only after that he can be killed. And the image of Anora's face covered by the blood of his father suggest you have just done an evil action, and that you are a killer not a person who make justice...

Oh Max, you're ruining one of the perfect moment's of my game. The traitor beheaded, his powerseeking and manipulative daughter covered in his blood as an example to her what will happen if she betrays Ferelden and her husband Alistair like her father did. The game had not many perfect moments, but that was definetively one of them.

Hi everyone btw.

[shedevil3001]

hiya sam its 1 hell of a debate in here today