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[MoSa09]

Bye Max



@Twiggles: sure right. I just can't feel any remorse for Loghain and despite many difficult decisions, i sleep pretty well considering i chopped his traiterous head off

[Liso66]

I'd also like to add. I am really not one of those touchy feely females that cry over love stories or sad endings. I often look at things in a logical manner. I am not the type of women that is drawn to good intentions for the sake of it.. Everything has deeper meaning in this story. the reason for having to know all possible endings only gave me the conclusion that there are many more possible scenarios that only Gaider truly knows. "smiles"

Modifié par Liso66, 23 mars 2010 - 02:51 .

[MaxQuartiroli]

Just a little thing before I go...

Curlain.. your point of view may be right. But if DA:O writers would had this idea, and these reason beside Cailan's behaviour you may be sure they would have EMPHASIZED this thing in the game..
No one in the game, not even Alistair tell something like "Here's the reason why I wasn't in the battle.. Cailan saved my life" and there are a lot of moment when he's complaining about he's lack in the battle instead of Duncan

Therefore I am sorry but I believe the only reason beacuse you and Alistair are still alive is just by chance.. And thanks to Flemeth.. don't forget if she wouldn't help you still die in Ostargar..
You are alive thanks to FLEMETH, not thanks to Cailan

And now I am really going...
Bye

Modifié par MaxQuartiroli, 23 mars 2010 - 02:54 .

[shedevil3001]

well i had a few theories that i was having problems fitting together like the lighting of the beakon with alistair thing but after reading curlains post it makes perfect sense to me now i'm thinking curlain has got it just about right but i have a feeling theres more things to be explained that might come up in a sequal or expansions bit by bit but curlains post makes the most sense to me as many of those things have crossed my mind too he's just explained it better than i could

[shedevil3001]

byeee max have fun "hugs"

[MoSa09]

At least i can now talk about all of this without getting worried or annoyed glances from people. I am a talker, i like to talk about the things i see and that interest me, and if i tell my gfor my relatives about my thoughts and try to explain it to them theys only shake their head.

Now i can spill it all out without any need to worry

[MoSa09]

MaxQuartiroli wrote...

Just a little thing before I go...

Curlain.. your point of view may be right. But if DA:O writers would had this idea, and these reason beside Cailan's behaviour you may be sure they would have EMPHASIZED this thing in the game..
No one in the game, not even Alistair tell something like "Here's the reason why I wasn't in the battle.. Cailan saved my life" and there are a lot of moment when he's complaining about he's lack in the battle instead of Duncan

Therefore I am sorry but I believe the only reason beacuse you are still alive is just by chance.. And thanks to Flemeth.. don't forget if she wouldn't help you still die in Ostargar..
You are alive thanks to Flemeth, not thanks to Cailan

And now I am really going...
Bye

That is not completely true. When he reveals in Redcliffe he is a royal bastard and says he should have died instead of Duncan and he it just alive by pure chance, you can answer him that this can't be what he truly believes and he admit's he does not.
So he seems to be aware that he was sparred exactly because he is a royal bastard.

[shedevil3001]

well at least i'm not the only one who thought loghain deserved to die i was beginning to think i was just a cold blooded killer "smiles innocently" even though i did enjoy chopping him up

[Liso66]

MoSa09 wrote...

At least i can now talk about all of this without getting worried or annoyed glances from people. I am a talker, i like to talk about the things i see and that interest me, and if i tell my gfor my relatives about my thoughts and try to explain it to them theys only shake their head.
Now i can spill it all out without any need to worry

Nope.  no need to worry..  like i said though.. Each of us are going to have a different perception of things. Also some the same.. that is the beauty of this story. 

I also think Loghain should have died..  However....  I also wanted to know that side of the story.  I do not play games based on my own personal feelings or personality. I travel the avenue of all possilbe theories and endings..  It makes my gaming experience more rich and interesting for me personally.

[Liso66]

MoSa09 wrote...

MaxQuartiroli wrote...

Just a little thing before I go...

Curlain.. your point of view may be right. But if DA:O writers would had this idea, and these reason beside Cailan's behaviour you may be sure they would have EMPHASIZED this thing in the game..
No one in the game, not even Alistair tell something like "Here's the reason why I wasn't in the battle.. Cailan saved my life" and there are a lot of moment when he's complaining about he's lack in the battle instead of Duncan

Therefore I am sorry but I believe the only reason beacuse you are still alive is just by chance.. And thanks to Flemeth.. don't forget if she wouldn't help you still die in Ostargar..
You are alive thanks to Flemeth, not thanks to Cailan

And now I am really going...
Bye

That is not completely true. When he reveals in Redcliffe he is a royal bastard and says he should have died instead of Duncan and he it just alive by pure chance, you can answer him that this can't be what he truly believes and he admit's he does not.
So he seems to be aware that he was sparred exactly because he is a royal bastard.

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That! depends on exsisting approval with Alistair. He can say "because of you" or lucky to have lived because of you..  nothing to do with Cailan. it can come down to Duncan saving him as well.

[MoSa09]

How cool, ME 2 Hammerhead/Firewalker dlc goes online in three hours. Guess i know what i will do when i get home

[MoSa09]

Liso66 wrote...

That! depends on exsisting approval with Alistair. He can say "because of you" or lucky to have lived because of you..  nothing to do with Cailan. it can come down to Duncan saving him as well.

But if you remember Curlain's theory, Duncan worked with Cailan in his backup plan, so it would not matter if Cailan or Duncan gave the order for Alistair to stay behind

[Liso66]

MoSa09 wrote...

How cool, ME 2 Hammerhead/Firewalker dlc goes online in three hours. Guess i know what i will do when i get home

I have yet to play ME2..   lol  I was never interested in the DLC's for ME 1..  the game is fun.. but very little attachment to it

[shedevil3001]

dont get me wrong liso i have let him live twice once where he sacrifices himself and once where he stays alive i've also had alistair marry anora but i felt awful as he says every time he looks at her he will be reminded of the man that killed duncan. I'm just saying even though i let him live just to see what happens i keep thinking i should of killed him he deserves it but i wanted to explore all the endings to find the best one for my gw its the way i play that has some of my personality in the game it helps me to connect to my gw better if i add my personality to her a bit

[Curlain]

Liso66 wrote...

If Cailan understood this battle was already a loss. He was not "thinking" about his people. He was thinking of what "he" wanted.. If he were truly thinking about his people. He would have forced Loghain to wait.. This is logical.. I am basing this on logic only..

I think you overestimate the authority Calian actually had over Loghain.  He may have been King, but Ferelden rulers rule with their nobles as first among the lords, and do not have total authority.  The power they wield depends from monarch to monarch on their personal power, the alliances they have with nobles, and their personal influence, similar to the medieval English monarchy in this manner.  And Loghain, like powerful nobles in medieval times was nearly if not as powerful as the King in his influence and stature, with the standing armed forces loyal to him rather then Calian if it came to it (as we seen very effectively at Ostragar).  And whoever commands the greatest armed forces in these kind of lands has the greatest effective power, and unlike Maric who had equal reputation and loyalty from the soldiers and greater influence with the great noble houses, this is not true of Calian.  It will take him time to build this kind of influence and alliances through the Bannorn, and he doesn't have the loyalty from the soldiers that his father (and Loghain) has.  This effectively makes Loghain the more powerful figure in the politics of Ferelden, and in truth Calian actually cannot simply command Loghain do things like the Orelsian empress could one of her commanders, the political structure in Ferelden doesn't immediately grant Calian this kind of authority.

[Liso66]

Curlain wrote...

Liso66 wrote...

If Cailan understood this battle was already a loss. He was not "thinking" about his people. He was thinking of what "he" wanted.. If he were truly thinking about his people. He would have forced Loghain to wait.. This is logical.. I am basing this on logic only..

I think you overestimate the authority Calian actually had over Loghain.  He may have been King, but Ferelden rulers rule with their nobles as first among the lords, and do not have total authority.  The power they wield depends from monarch to monarch on their personal power, the alliances they have with nobles, and their personal influence, similar to the medieval English monarchy in this manner.  And Loghain, like powerful nobles in medieval times was nearly if not as powerful as the King in his influence and stature, with the standing armed forces loyal to him rather then Calian if it came to it (as we seen very effectively at Ostragar).  And whoever commands the greatest armed forces in these kind of lands has the greatest effective power, and unlike Maric who had equal reputation and loyalty from the soldiers and greater influence with the great noble houses, this is not true of Calian.  It will take him time to build this kind of influence and alliances through the Bannorn, and he doesn't have the loyalty from the soldiers that his father (and Loghain) has.  This effectively makes Loghain the more powerful figure in the politics of Ferelden, and in truth Calian actually cannot simply command Loghain do things like the Orelsian empress could one of her commanders, the political structure in Ferelden doesn't immediately grant Calian this kind of authority.

This is true Curlain. I actually have no arguements over everyones opinions...  I was just trying to make a point. There are so many scenarios to sew together...  I for one, am not sold on any particular one of them..   

EDIT: Also.. Quote of Cailan's  "You'll do well to remember who is King" when talking to Loghain

Modifié par Liso66, 23 mars 2010 - 03:15 .

[shedevil3001]

yeah i kinda got that impression that loghain had more power in a sense just from some of the things cailan says in ostagar so i think you could have a valid point curlain loghain had more people behind him and i think if bryce cousland had lived he even had more support than cailan from what it says in the game "mind is pondering now"

[Liso66]

shedevil3001 wrote...

yeah i kinda got that impression that loghain had more power in a sense just from some of the things cailan says in ostagar so i think you could have a valid point curlain loghain had more people behind him and i think if bryce cousland had lived he even had more support than cailan from what it says in the game "mind is pondering now"

It seemed to me, that Bryce Cousland was very supportive of the King..  However, that is just another twist in the plot we'll only be able to theorize, and not truly know. 

[shedevil3001]

true but it does make for an intresting theory it would be good if some of these things were explained in future game releases i wonder who would be close to the truth of it all hmmmmmm "mind ponders again"

[Liso66]

shedevil3001 wrote...

true but it does make for an intresting theory it would be good if some of these things were explained in future game releases i wonder who would be close to the truth of it all hmmmmmm "mind ponders again"

If Gaider continues to write the books that go into the game time frame.. you may be able to get all the depth, grit and facts..  Who knows.  

[MoSa09]

Damn, i already loved that band before and loved that song, but each time i listen to it now on the radio, i am reminded od DAO and the sad feeling i had after watching the epilogue for the first time

[Liso66]

MoSa09 wrote...

Damn, i already loved that band before and loved that song, but each time i listen to it now on the radio, i am reminded od DAO and the sad feeling i had after watching the epilogue for the first time

What band?  i missed something it seems

[MoSa09]

Liso66 wrote...

MoSa09 wrote...

Damn, i already loved that band before and loved that song, but each time i listen to it now on the radio, i am reminded od DAO and the sad feeling i had after watching the epilogue for the first time

What band?  i missed something it seems

The sond is here. The band is here.

There albums are all awesome, but i like the new one best (it's with the song posted above). All songs are great, and Jared Leto has an amazing voice. I could listen to them all day. Okay, to be fair, i do, most of the time when i have time

Edit: my current favorite is this one.

Modifié par MoSa09, 23 mars 2010 - 03:40 .

[shedevil3001]

well i hope gaider write more books with some insight to these unaddressed things as i'm not far off finishing the calling and have nothing good to read after it :{

[Liso66]

@ Sir Samcelot. It is loading.. will listen in a few. I have a big dl going.. so my internet "which already sucks" sucks even more atm hehe

EDIT:  I like this.. thank you for sharing Sammy 

Modifié par Liso66, 23 mars 2010 - 03:43 .