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[SuperMedbh]

Well, I played a "pants role" for the first time and ran a Human Noble male.  A nice enough fellow, grim with a sense of humour and all that.  Ended up romancing Morrigan for a bit, then moved onto and stayed with Liliana.  I tend to get immersed in my characters (yes, I have a serious Alistair crush, sue me), and it was interesting to see the different perspective of a male.  I have to admit, as seriously OMG cute Al is, I kinda get now why the boys are complaining about him being whiny.  It just felt different with a male character-- hard to explain, but it did.  Maybe if he'd handed the HNM a rose

But what I REALLY want to know is--  do guys really think women act as god-help-us as Liliana does?  I mean, really, she's a bit nuts, isn't she?  I knew that as a BFF, but good lord...butterfly eyelids?  Maybe I'll try that line sometime in real life and see how far it gets me.

Does anyone else playing on the "other side" have any observation?

[Gilsa]

I found Alistair irritating on my male characters, too. Some of the lines didn't translate as well. Then again, I like Zevran better on my male characters than I do on my female ones.

[roundcrow]

I found Alistair so irritating on my HNF playthrough that I didn't hesitate a second in offing him. I wanted to try out Loghain anyway (and have developed a terrible crush...now that might be prosecutable in some jurisdictions...)



BTW, am female, despite male mage elf avatar.

[SuperMedbh]

LostScout wrote...

 Do guys really think women act crazy? Uhmm, yes, we do. Not all women are crazy in the same ways, but yes, you are all crazy, and we love you anyway.

I suppose that's the counterpoint to "They're a bit slow to catch on to things, and you have to bang them over the head to get them to pay attention, but they're cute and useful for fixing things around the house."  I'm trying to decide if Lili is a bit of a caricature of the unstable girlfriend, or if by playing a male character, I was able to see how a certain level of sillyness comes off at times.  Odd to get perspective from a game, but there you go.

[pudi0072000]

First play-through I was a HMN and while I liked Alistair, I could never get his approval past 40-50 range. Might've been because I didn't understand the gifting system and I didn't always do the right dialogue options to get more approval though.



He didn't really strike me as whiny so much as socially awkward and a little righteous, but I didn't expect otherwise hearing about his childhood. To me it felt like he was harder to get to know as a male PC than a female, but again, might've been because I didn't get the approval system like I do now.

[draxynnus]

SuperMedbh wrote...

But what I REALLY want to know is--  do guys really think women act as god-help-us as Liliana does?  I mean, really, she's a bit nuts, isn't she?  I knew that as a BFF, but good lord...butterfly eyelids?  Maybe I'll try that line sometime in real life and see how far it gets me.

No. Apart from the fighting, Leliana is at the extreme of girliness - while we may think women have some tendencies in that general direction, thinking women as a group behave like that would be like thinking men as a group behave like Mike Tyson.

[errant_knight]

draxynnus wrote...

SuperMedbh wrote...

But what I REALLY want to know is--  do guys really think women act as god-help-us as Liliana does?  I mean, really, she's a bit nuts, isn't she?  I knew that as a BFF, but good lord...butterfly eyelids?  Maybe I'll try that line sometime in real life and see how far it gets me.

No. Apart from the fighting, Leliana is at the extreme of girliness - while we may think women have some tendencies in that general direction, thinking women as a group behave like that would be like thinking men as a group behave like Mike Tyson.

An apt comparision in terms of extremes. While normally I wouldn't try to speak for women as a whole, I think it's safe to say that most of us see him as being in a class of his own. I wouldn't even assume that he has much in common with other professional fighters, let alone men in general.

[krylo]

I don't know what you guys are talking about.

All men are exactly like Mike Tyson. Why just yesterday I bit off someone's ear.  This is a regular daily activity for men.

And I've yet to meet a woman who is not secretly an assassin/spy that loves shoes.

Modifié par krylo, 26 février 2010 - 05:45 .

[errant_knight]

krylo wrote...

I don't know what you guys are talking about.

All men are exactly like Mike Tyson. Why just yesterday I bit off someone's ear.  This is a regular daily activity for men.

And I've yet to meet a woman who is not secretly an assassin/spy that loves shoes.

Okay, I'll give you the assassin/spy thing, but the shoe fetish is over the top.

[Maria Caliban]

SuperMedbh wrote...

But what I REALLY want to know is--  do guys really think women act as god-help-us as Liliana does?  I mean, really, she's a bit nuts, isn't she?  I knew that as a BFF, but good lord...butterfly eyelids?  Maybe I'll try that line sometime in real life and see how far it gets me.

Leliana was written by a woman, FYI.

I found the eyelash like incredably cute and would melt into a puddle of goo if my girlfriend told that to me when I woke up in the morning.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 26 février 2010 - 05:53 .

[krylo]

errant_knight wrote...

krylo wrote...

I don't know what you guys are talking about.

All men are exactly like Mike Tyson. Why just yesterday I bit off someone's ear.  This is a regular daily activity for men.

And I've yet to meet a woman who is not secretly an assassin/spy that loves shoes.

Okay, I'll give you the assassin/spy thing, but the shoe fetish is over the top.

Kelly disagrees.

[pudi0072000]

Maria Caliban wrote...
I found the eyelash like incredably cute and would melt into a puddle of goo if my girlfriend told that to me when I woke up in the morning.

I would call my mother to tell her I love her and where to look for my body.
All I could think of after that dialogue was "IT RUBS THE LOTION ON ITS SKIN OR IT GETS THE HOSE AGAIN!" 

[Herr Uhl]

filaminstrel wrote...

But I understand that Leliana was written by a woman, and therefore, I ask of ye-- how can her personality be based on distorted males' perspectives of women? Well, I guess if you want to get all philosophical...

The writer betrayed her own gender. She is an insurgent for the male chauvinistas.

[Monica21]

As a woman, I understood the shoe fetish thing. It's fashion and among most women is nothing more than girl talk.

As for Alistair, I haven't played through as a male character yet, but he's very obviously written to appeal to female players. I don't think his lines translate very well when talking to a guy, because that's just not how guys talk to each other. As much as I love Alistair, I think if I did a male playthrough I'd end up leaving him in camp most of the time.

[pudi0072000]

Monica21 wrote...
As for Alistair, I haven't played through as a male character yet, but he's very obviously written to appeal to female players. I don't think his lines translate very well when talking to a guy, because that's just not how guys talk to each other. As much as I love Alistair, I think if I did a male playthrough I'd end up leaving him in camp most of the time.

Especially the lamppost conversation - I don't think he realized someone might think he was propositioning something. Silly chantry boy.

[Cutlass Jack]

SuperMedbh wrote...

Well, I played a "pants role" for the first time and ran a Human Noble male.  A nice enough fellow, grim with a sense of humour and all that.  Ended up romancing Morrigan for a bit, then moved onto and stayed with Liliana.  I tend to get immersed in my characters (yes, I have a serious Alistair crush, sue me), and it was interesting to see the different perspective of a male.  I have to admit, as seriously OMG cute Al is, I kinda get now why the boys are complaining about him being whiny.  It just felt different with a male character-- hard to explain, but it did.  Maybe if he'd handed the HNM a rose

But what I REALLY want to know is--  do guys really think women act as god-help-us as Liliana does?  I mean, really, she's a bit nuts, isn't she?  I knew that as a BFF, but good lord...butterfly eyelids?  Maybe I'll try that line sometime in real life and see how far it gets me.

Does anyone else playing on the "other side" have any observation?

I love Alistair and Leliana no matter which 'side' I'm playing. They make great friends and romantic lovers. I thought the 'Butterfly Eyelids' thing was a hoot personally. The best response is to play along with it. She's not being serious but adores it when you play along with her flights of fancy.

I've had crazy girlfriends before, but more the 'Princess Stabbity Stab' variety. I'll take 'Ooh Pretty Colors' any day.
(Which is a reference to the funniest line Alistair says about her, but also the one most people probably miss)

[errant_knight]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

SuperMedbh wrote...

Well, I played a "pants role" for the first time and ran a Human Noble male.  A nice enough fellow, grim with a sense of humour and all that.  Ended up romancing Morrigan for a bit, then moved onto and stayed with Liliana.  I tend to get immersed in my characters (yes, I have a serious Alistair crush, sue me), and it was interesting to see the different perspective of a male.  I have to admit, as seriously OMG cute Al is, I kinda get now why the boys are complaining about him being whiny.  It just felt different with a male character-- hard to explain, but it did.  Maybe if he'd handed the HNM a rose

But what I REALLY want to know is--  do guys really think women act as god-help-us as Liliana does?  I mean, really, she's a bit nuts, isn't she?  I knew that as a BFF, but good lord...butterfly eyelids?  Maybe I'll try that line sometime in real life and see how far it gets me.

Does anyone else playing on the "other side" have any observation?

I love Alistair and Leliana no matter which 'side' I'm playing. They make great friends and romantic lovers. I thought the 'Butterfly Eyelids' thing was a hoot personally. The best response is to play along with it. She's not being serious but adores it when you play along with her flights of fancy.

I've had crazy girlfriends before, but more the 'Princess Stabbity Stab' variety. I'll take 'Ooh Pretty Colors' any day.
(Which is a reference to the funniest line Alistair says about her, but also the one most people probably miss)

I'll have to romance Leiliana next time I play a male and see how that goes. My first time through was as a male character and my PC didn't romance anyone. It was my fault, I didn't realize how much talking there was to be done in camp and my PC was pretty obsessed about the whole blight thing. He was relieved to have a good friend like Alistair though. He was in a bit over his head and glad not to be doing it alone.

[Vuokseniska]

stick with sten, shale and Morigan. Sten says little, Shale is only interested in smashing stuff and morigan. She is out for her own reasons.



Wynnn is just a know it all and control freak. She needs to stay a teacher.

Leliana is a 16 year old girl who ate too much sugar and had visions of the maker during her sugar rush

Zevran is annoying because of his accent

Allister is a crybaby. he should stick with wynn and ask for daiperchanges

Ohgren = Ohgren

[EccentricSage]

I'm a woman, with a rather masculine personality, and bisexual.

Leliana is like the 'Lifetime, Television for Women' idea of a bisexual assassin/spy. She kills people, but that's ok, because she's super sacrine sweet and turns to god for redemption!!! She's just a tortured little girl who did it because her feminine emotions made it hard to reason when she was soooo in wuv with Marjolain, *GAG*

I hate Leliana. She seemed cute at first, but by the end of her 'boohoo, I was a bard and was beeeetraaaayed' story I seriously disliked her. I thought playing through her personal quest would bring things into perspective and I'd be able to like her after I harden her, but no. Just no.

How the HELL do you tell me being a bard was fun, recount killing people without showing any emotion, and expect me to believe you're a repentant lost little girl? And then, after Marjolain, she's all 'boo hoo, I'm a bad person, because I think I enjoyed killing the **** who betrayed me'. God, I wanted a dialogue option where I could backhand her and tell her to grow the **** up and cut the Marry Sue act. And this was my male character, btw... always looking for the good in people, and in love with an Assassin. But even from his perspective, the **** deserves the back of a hand.

And that's the worse part of the writing for Leliana. You aren't even given the option to be mean to her. Even when you're hardening her, you're being all suportive. 'Baw, it's ok, you can like killing' My GOD it frustrates me!!!

Now I like to pretend she's only there to make me sandwiches and look pretty in skimpy armor. Am I a bad feminist?


P.S.  Wish we could have Isabela as a bisexual romancable party member in an expansion or sequal.  She's a bit more Xena Warrior Princess and a bit less the girliest one from Charmed.  I'd romance the hell out of her.

Modifié par EccentricSage, 26 février 2010 - 08:29 .

[Xandurpein]

Maria Caliban wrote...

I found the eyelash like incredably cute and would melt into a puddle of goo if my girlfriend told that to me when I woke up in the morning.

Totally agreed. I would also like to mention that there is one conversation where you can make a ironic response to one of her silly statements, and she will respond that this why she is so comfortable around you, because you play along. She likes to make silly statements for fun, especially when she is in a good mood. If it's not your thing look elsewhere, but I love it.

And the whole feeling of not being entirely sure when she is serious and when she is just poking fun. Yeah, I get that all the time with my wife.

Modifié par Xandurpein, 26 février 2010 - 09:48 .

[AndreaDraco]

Poor Leliana. She is getting a lot of hate. But I can't understand why.



She has a nice background, an endearing personality, and even a complex one at that. I found her very likeable (surely, way more than Morrigan), and talking to her about Orlais, about her life as a bard, about the legends she knows, was incredibly interesting. I also find that her specific dialogue in the Gauntlet is one of the best of the various companions (Zevran, Leliana and Oghren, I'd say).



I'm now playing as a female Warden for the first time and I'm romancing Leliana too for the first time. Her romance is very sweet and even if I'm not as involved as I was with my male Warden and Zevran, I think that Leliana's writing really shines in this romance.

[The_Abyss]

I find Leliana amusing because she's a rogue, she's bi, and she's religious. Its like bioware poking the eye of our real world religions, because, seriously, is there a real world religion that actually encourages homosexuality?



Plus I find a religious rogue refreshing and amusing. She stabs people, then goes "sorry, I'll make sure I pray for you later!"