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[Cuddlezarro]

I think Leliana is great on either gender. Though the 'girl talk' conversations when you're female work much better for gently approaching same sex romance, than Zev leering at you if you're male. (Though the latter is hysterical)

Zevrans Leering conversation is available to both genders and you get it if you either turned of the romance or havnt started it yet and you reach a certain approval level

[goofygoff]

Maria Caliban wrote...

I'm sure others will disagree, but I think the Leliana romance is better if you play a female. In fact, I'd say Dragon Age is the only BioWare game where the majority of romances (Alistair, Leliana, and Zevran) seem to be written with female PCs in mind.

I agree about Leliana, but I liked the Zevran romance more playing a male PC.

Partially because, despite what he says to a female about preferring women, he comes across as a solid 4 on the Kinsey Scale. 

[ENCHANTMENTSSS]

pudi0072000 wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...
I found the eyelash like incredably cute and would melt into a puddle of goo if my girlfriend told that to me when I woke up in the morning.

I would call my mother to tell her I love her and where to look for my body.
All I could think of after that dialogue was "IT RUBS THE LOTION ON ITS SKIN OR IT GETS THE HOSE AGAIN!" 

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA pudi ur on my funny radar now! GIVE ME THE DOG!

Lel is that hot girl with just so much emotional baggage but that's ok cuz she's hot.  Last relationship consisted of a girl that fits the description and if I may be so brash, they make for the best company on sleepless nights.

[Foadumf]

Knowing the bard background, I think she just acts that way to sucker the "tough hero" into her grasp.

[maxernst]

Hmmm...as a gay man, I was quite enthused about having a potential romance with Zevran. I should have known (based on my previous game romances) that I probably wouldn't want to romance him. I never even started the romances available to a male PC in BG2 and playing a female paladin, I had to keep rebuffing Anomen. In NWN2, my male PC had a bit of a flirtation with Elanee, my female PC was not really interested in Casivir or Bishlop. I guess I'm as picky in games as I am in real life.



Unfortunately, I found Zev's early responses very off-putting...I was initially sympathetic to his story of being forced into the Crowes. I was disappointed that when given the choice to be free, it appeared he was happy being a contract killer, he just wanted to be free of the Crowes. And then there was the creepy line about the pleasure of killing...so I just got him as high as interested so I could learn the assassin specialization. I've heard the romance is actually a very satisfying one, but my PC just couldn't get past it...



Neither the Morrigan nor Leliana romance ever kicked in for me, though I had decent approval (+85 for Leli, +60 for Morrigan). At the very end, I saw the "Does the hero get his girl?" dialogue option with Leli and it seemed to come totally from left field. Never saw the "my tent is cold" come up. Maybe they sensed my PC preferred men.



After being disappointed that Zev wasn't really my type, I decided to download the Equal Love mod and romanced Alistair instead, who was very sweet. I actually had to initiate it by telling him he was handsome; not sure if he'd have given me the rose spontaneously or not. It appeared that the mod-maker wisely turned off the marriage dialogue options so that even though I was a human noble in a romance with Alistair, I didn't have the option to discuss marriage. That would have been very weird.

[pudi0072000]

maxernst wrote...
After being disappointed that Zev wasn't really my type, I decided to download the Equal Love mod and romanced Alistair instead, who was very sweet. I actually had to initiate it by telling him he was handsome; not sure if he'd have given me the rose spontaneously or not. It appeared that the mod-maker wisely turned off the marriage dialogue options so that even though I was a human noble in a romance with Alistair, I didn't have the option to discuss marriage. That would have been very weird.

I don't think this will work with the mod, but I know if you play a fem!PC you can do the lamppost discussion, tease him about not having the proper parts, and he'll say it hurts to hear that from a beautiful woman. Again, the mod probably changed it since you'd be playing as a male. I sort of recall not doing either of those (calling him handsome or being called beautiful) and he still gave me the rose once his approval was higher. I could be wrong about that, or my game might've been glitchy.

[ejoslin]

He has to be romanced for him to give the rose, but there are a LOT of romance starters with Alistair.

[EccentricSage]

oops... uh...

Modifié par EccentricSage, 27 février 2010 - 03:18 .

[EccentricSage]

EccentricSage wrote...

Foadumf wrote...

Knowing the bard background, I think she just acts that way to sucker the "tough hero" into her grasp.

Which is why I don't like her!  You know, if they gave the player more options to disagree with her and chalenge what she says the way they do with say, Zevran, I could realy enjoy Leliana.  I don't mind having a crazy girl with a Marry Sue complex if she's capable of growth as a character... But instead of character growth, you ether get to keep princess stabity stab or relaps her into horny lying bard who admitedly likes killing.  I don't find that satisfying.  If I could just tell her why something she says or does pisses me off, have her react, and see where that dialogue takes us, omg, I could actualy see her as a real person in a fictional sence, of course.

I couldn't even get to the romance, because the friendship seemed like a construct... it seemed fake.  For a bard her guile isn't even good if that's what this is suposed to be... she pretty obviously contradicts herself and leaves things out of conversations that she thinks might upset you... Gives you Miss America grade responces on those rare ocasions you do get to express dislike of anything she's saying... It just seems foolish for anyone to overlook that.  My elf is sleeping with his tragic but strong assassin and keeping one eye open for princess stabity stab and her stalkerish ninja romances I keep hearing of.  LOL  If that starts up, I'm kicking her out of camp.

Oh, Maxernst...
Spoiler ahead. 

If you get past Zevran's talk about remaining an Assassin even once he's free, and the fact that he enjoys the act it's self at times, you'll be pleasantly surprised to find that he's much more compassionet than he lets on.  He does have his own sort of moral code that has helped him cope with what he does, and actually does eventually admit he has regrets.  Pay atention to his eyes and vocal inflections... his true fealings behind what he's saying are usually hidden... He's shoving in your face what he's done, who he is, and trying to be brave about the whole matter.  But there's a lot of pain underneath the tapestry of bravado and brainwashing from his past.  It's worth playing through just for a good story and to apreciate the craftmanship that went into this character, even if you never personally feal you'd be with him in real life. 

If you still don't want to, that's cool... I'm not trying to say everyone should love this character.  It's just that a lot of people are put off and miss out on a lot of the more hidden aspects of him, so I thought I'd let you know that he's realy not the chearful remorseless killer he at first seems.

[DalishRanger]

You know, as a female player who likes both Alistair and Leliana... I actually enjoyed Alistair more playing as a male character in a "bromance" than as a female Warden romancing him, and I liked Leliana both ways - but slightly more as a romance option. I dunno, I find her quirky and adorable.

As for the butterflies comment... I took it as her being silly, as people in love will notice odd things about the other... And, speaking from personal experience, some of us just like to say odd things to our significant other. In my case, just to mess with them/see reactions. I once told a boyfriend he had "awesome nostrils" just to see his reaction (and because I tend to observe random facial features, being a character artist). He just raised an eyebrow and laughed.

Guess it all depends on your personality/sense of humor, but Leliana strikes me as the teasing/quirky comments kind of person, not crazy/stalkerish.

Modifié par DalishRanger, 27 février 2010 - 05:46 .

[highcastle]

I'm a female player but I normally play male characters (I think I've just grown used to the fact that in most game, you don't get a choice). Sometimes I play female, but then it gets harder to play the character and not myself. If I play the opposite gender, it's easier to RP. I hope that makes sense.

Anyway, in most games where I play a male, I tend to avoid romance. In Mass Effect, for instance, I did both romances available to the male character to see what they were about, but in my "canon" run, I didn't romance anybody. Ash was probably about as close as games have gotten to a realistic female love interest, but Liara was just fanservice.

Now, in Dragon Age, I've done all the romances (despite the fact that the achievements refuse to upload to my profile here). I have to say...I find Lel a little creepy. She definitely comes off as stalkerish, at least to me, who's had a stalker in RL. Morrigan is more well-rounded, and it always surprised me that she gets a lot of hate from women out there. I think she's a product of her upbringing, personally. I don't think either of these women are supposed to represent ALL women. They're both characters defined by their pasts.

Of course, all this being said, I still adore the Zevran romance no matter what gender character I'm playing.

[Maria Caliban]

When it comes to emotional health, I wouldn't consider Morrigan a paragon of her kind.

[Helios969]

I actually think hetero women have better choices in DAO in terms of romance partners.  Men have the exquisitely beautiful but cold, emotionally-challenged Morrigan and the lovely Bard Leliana with a dark past and questionable motives.  Women have Leliana's male counterpart in Zevran, but they also get a good guy in Alistair.  Yeah, he's a bit overly sensitive, but no one disputes he's a genuine good guy.  I want a genuine good gal.

[blademaster7]

Helios969 wrote...

I actually think hetero women have better choices in DAO in terms of romance partners.  Men have the exquisitely beautiful but cold, emotionally-challenged Morrigan and the lovely Bard Leliana with a dark past and questionable motives.  Women have Leliana's male counterpart in Zevran, but they also get a good guy in Alistair.  Yeah, he's a bit overly sensitive, but no one disputes he's a genuine good guy.  I want a genuine good gal.

And now Bioware is adding insult to injury by giving us (non-romanceable)Mhairi

lol

Modifié par blademaster7, 28 février 2010 - 10:50 .

[Helios969]

blademaster7 wrote...

Helios969 wrote...

I actually think hetero women have better choices in DAO in terms of romance partners.  Men have the exquisitely beautiful but cold, emotionally-challenged Morrigan and the lovely Bard Leliana with a dark past and questionable motives.  Women have Leliana's male counterpart in Zevran, but they also get a good guy in Alistair.  Yeah, he's a bit overly sensitive, but no one disputes he's a genuine good guy.  I want a genuine good gal.

And now Bioware is adding insult to injury by giving us (non-romanceable)Mhairi

lol

Crap, I don't know who that is.

[Barbarossa2010]

Female PCs definitely got the goods for the lovin' in DA:O. They can even have a rebound romance if Alistair dumps them to do his kingly duty. I hear he'll even sacrifice himself to spare his love. I'm glad someone gets the full experience. A number of possible good or epic endings there.

Alistair is defintely written for female PCs because when I talk to him, I find it clunky and a little weird. Guys just don't talk that way with each other. But I understand his role. He is a gentleman and white knight and that's a good thing for the ladies.

I wish straight males had had a noble alternative, but no such thing exists; unless of course, your idea of a quality love interest is getting kicked square in the ba!!$ under the most ambiguous and contrived circumstances so the writers could have their plot hook for a sequel. You may say, "but Barbarossa, Morrigan calls you 'my love' and feels 'regret and sorrow!' Whatever, I'm just overwhelmed with the warm and fuzzies. I mean seriously, why not Iona, or Bella or even Ser Cauthrien? I did however, learn my lesson in Bioware games: never, ever romance the plot device!

That said, Leliana is moonbat crazy, but she is a girlie-girl with a smoldering accent. She seems sincere as she struggles with her nature. She may lie to you, but she comes clean. I loved her song (even with the terrible graphics rendering), and even her piety and small talk was somewhat endearing.

What really makes Leliana SCORCHING HOT though, is high dex with Marjolaine's Recurve and Arrow of Slaying. I am absolutely bewitched and I always find a way to have her next to me wherever I go.

Unfortunately, love-wise, the romance with Leliana flatlines after a while. You can only say "you're the best thing that ever happened to me" so many times before you're ready to impale yourself on Starfang or beg Shale to smash you into jelly.

For me, the only good way out for straight males is a sacrificial end romancing Leliana. That's a pretty good one, and very epic, but your Warden is pretty much done. And apparently, the sacrificial end is not even on the radar screen for "Awakenings," alluding to it being the throw away option for the sequel, so evidently that one even sucks.

You know its pretty bad and damn slim pickings, when you actually entertain thoughts of romancing Anora. Apparently Morrigan will get her way after all.

Modifié par Barbarossa2010, 01 mars 2010 - 04:22 .

[guytza]

Yes, the accent....she said "I can do that for you" to a locked chest once and I was hooked.

[EccentricSage]

Helios969 wrote...

I actually think hetero women have better choices in DAO in terms of romance partners.  Men have the exquisitely beautiful but cold, emotionally-challenged Morrigan and the lovely Bard Leliana with a dark past and questionable motives.  Women have Leliana's male counterpart in Zevran, but they also get a good guy in Alistair.  Yeah, he's a bit overly sensitive, but no one disputes he's a genuine good guy.  I want a genuine good gal.

Honestly, I have to agree that the female love interests are disapointing.  Leliana creeps me the heck out once she gets to the point of emotionlessly talking about her bard past and all that... And Morrigan... damn... I like her, but you just reach a point where you know this ISN'T going to be good.

I would have LOVED LOVED LOVED for Isabela to be a party member and romancable.  Much better female counter part to Zev.  (other than the fact they both had jobs that involved seducing and killing people, Lel and Zev actualy are extreamly different.  Like night and day.)  Isabela is so kick ass and confident.  None of that flouncy girly girl BS.  And she just is what she is, right up front. 

As for a female counterpart to Alistair, I think that would have been nice.  I hope such a character will be introduced in a future instalment.

And then they could also have a wicked male character to break the girls' hearts.  lol

[Monica21]

Helios969 wrote...
And now Bioware is adding insult to injury by giving us (non-romanceable)Mhairi

lol

Meh. I wanted a romanceable Anders. An apostate mage who's funny, rather than an apostate mage who kicks puppies. Although, as expansions go, Gann was awfully well done.

[errant_knight]

Barbarossa2010 wrote...

I did however, learn my lesson in Bioware games: never, ever romance the plot device!

That's good advice for anyone.

[guytza]

I'm not entirely sure if a fem!Alistair would have worked to be honest. Innocent romantic with self esteem issues and a lack of knowledge on interpersonal relationships. Ugh, thats too close to real life. I think some of Alistairs fangirl attracting charm is his work in progress status. I cant speak for all men, but a female version of that would be too much like the cliche anime popular/cute girl, which I think would drive me to dive into the business end of an industrial strength wood-chipper.

[Charsen]

My Warden (Male Human Mage) was not going to get involved with a romance, originally. I didn't know when I started playing that there was any sort of serious gay relationships, and so like most games I just have a celibate character. Alistair was a great guy, truly, and my Warden's BFF for sure. Zevran was, however, the trip that stole his magical little heart..



I was thinking about starting up a new character, but I honestly don't know if I'd want to romance the others. Maybe Alistair.... I hear there's a mod for that. Might be interesting to roll up a female though to see it all from that side. Hmm... decisions decisions.

[asaiasai]

Men and women are wired different i can not remember where i heard it but according to some research i read somewhere women have on average twice as much connective tissue between the right and left hemispheres of the brain. It is why women seen to be crazy when in fact they are having several conversations at the same time and seem to get frustrated because all those conversations are bleeding over on each other. I get this everyonce in awhile from my wife, i have to remind her i am a guy one thing at a time, lets solve one problem and move on the the next. Men are in a way more linear, we focus on one task finish it, and move on the the next, women have a tendancy to focus on several and harry themselves finishing them all. To use an analogy i heard once; men's minds are composed of boxes and we have a place for everything, we take one box down rifle through it and then put it away, keeping everything seperate. Women on the other hand thier minds are like a ball of yarn where everything is touching and connected to everything else.

To of my favorite adages are;

Men never worry about the future until they have a wife, women never worry about the future once they have a husband.

Men marry women hoping they won't change, women marry men hoping they will.

Leliana is my all time favorite DAO character, because she is crazy, everybody is insane it is just the measure of the degree to which that insanity manifests itself. Leliana seems like the type of woman who would be content cooking cleaning carting the kids around, and then at night run the freak flag up the pole for her S/O. While she is not innocent, very few people are, i think she is aware of that and wants the same sort of acceptance that she gives. Her issues do not seem to be the typical boring parental issues that Allister and Morrigan have, Leliana's issues are so much more interesting because of her struggle to overcome what is a self created problem, the desire to change and the struggle to stay on the path makes her deeper than the rest. Yea yea yea Leliana fanboy here, if you had to kiss ass i can not think of a sweeter one pucker up for. Plus she has the sexiest accent, dripping with innocent sexuality she knows what she is doing, you know what she is doing, but you can not help yourself. It is like oxygen, once you take that first hit you are hooked.

Asai

Modifié par asaiasai, 01 mars 2010 - 07:31 .

[errant_knight]

guytza wrote...

I'm not entirely sure if a fem!Alistair would have worked to be honest. Innocent romantic with self esteem issues and a lack of knowledge on interpersonal relationships. Ugh, thats too close to real life. I think some of Alistairs fangirl attracting charm is his work in progress status. I cant speak for all men, but a female version of that would be too much like the cliche anime popular/cute girl, which I think would drive me to dive into the business end of an industrial strength wood-chipper.

I get what you're saying here, because that would drive me nuts, too, but that type of character wouldn't be a female version of Alistair. because you've left out some of the most important aspects of his character--his sense of humor, sarcasm, adherence to his principles--even his temper when someone crosses the line.

Modifié par errant_knight, 01 mars 2010 - 07:45 .

[draxynnus]

filaminstrel wrote...

But I understand that Leliana was written by a woman, and therefore, I ask of ye-- how can her personality be based on distorted males' perspectives of women? Well, I guess if you want to get all philosophical...

Just because she's an extreme doesn't mean that the extremes don't exist. Otherwise I wouldn't have had a Mike Tyson to compare to, now would I?

Helios969 wrote...

Doesn't she actually state in one of the dialogue threads that it's more feeling than actual voice?  I seem to recall something along those lines.  Then there is the Guardian dialogue that suggests she made up her claims for attention - relishing the attention even if it's negative.  She may be certifiable, but I'm not entirely convinced.

And the Guardian seems to have picked his words very carefully in order to make it sound like he's accusing her of lying without actually saying she's lying (or delusional).