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[OH-UP-THIS!]

Oh sorry, i guess Shep then.

[Tarisln]

Discounting Morinth, the obvious winner, I'd go with Zaeed. Jack has always struck me as being more reactionary than anything - she doesn't necessarily go out looking for creative new ways to stir up trouble, but rather just wants to be left alone and reacts to those who won't let her.

[Habelo]

1. morinth

2. zaeed

3.grunt

[Markinator_123]

The Angry One wrote...

Assassins aren't inherently evil. They don't murder for self-gratification or because the voices in their heads tell them to. Someone like Thane seems to stick to people that need-a-killin anyway, I wanted Dantius to drop dead since ME1.
Jack is psychotic but doesn't appear to harm people who don't intend her harm first.

Morinth on the other hand is a rapist and murderer, Samara is a murderer who justifies her attacks with a self-imposed and highly hypocritical code (re: attacking Nihlus with no context for what he was doing) and Zaeed is just an evil idiot.

Very good point about Samara

[Vagula]

Morinth, Jack and Zaeed (cool though) seem to be all pretty much psychopaths. Thane is pretty bad too.

[Ghrelt]

Tie between Miranda and Zaeed.

[Skilled Seeker]

Crowwalker100 wrote...

Zaeed, he was will to let a whole plant full of workers die just for his revenge..

Except killing Vido saves a lot more people in the long run. And this might be the only chance you have to get him.

[The Angry One]

The evil of murder is relative. For example, how evil would it have been to shoot Hitler in the head?

[Collider]

The Angry One wrote...
The evil of murder is relative. For example, how evil would it have been to shoot Hitler in the head?

godwin's law

[The Angry One]

Skilled Seeker wrote...

Crowwalker100 wrote...

Zaeed, he was will to let a whole plant full of workers die just for his revenge..

Except killing Vido saves a lot more people in the long run. And this might be the only chance you have to get him.

I'd agree, except for the fact that Zaeed created the situation where you had to choose between the workers and Vido in the first place.
If Zaeed hadn't started the fire, he would've gotten Vido and the workers would've been safe. Instead he chose to be an ass - even renegade Shep will yell at him for starting the fire.
That's what makes him evil. *He* put the workers in danger and refused to take responsibility for it in the name of revenge.

[The Angry One]

Collider wrote...

The Angry One wrote...
The evil of murder is relative. For example, how evil would it have been to shoot Hitler in the head?

godwin's law

Don't mess with me Godwin or I'll pay Thane to kill you!

[Pauravi]

Markinator_123 wrote...

Evil is evil regardless of  someone's tragic backstory especially considering that they have a choice- They are not robots

Actually in a sense we are something like organic robots.  To use the "you always have a choice" cop-out is to be voluntarily ignorant of the effects of learning and conditioning, and the real, physical effect that they have on our brains.  Will conditioning always be 100% effective?  No, but it is equally impossible to think that everyone is capable of overcoming the effects of it.  Jack is simply one of the people who couldn't.  It isn't her fault, it is the fault of the people who "programmed" her.

[Svest]

The Angry One wrote...

Mordin's only crime is being a realist, the Krogan are too damn stupid to function effectively as a space-faring species, Mordin simply did what was needed to keep them alive.
If they cured the genophage and started pulling off another Krogan rebellion, the Council's response would be unilateral.

Mordin's real crime was that he didn't even give the krogan a chance.  All he had were simulations suggesting what would likely happen.  Who knows what would have really happened?  He could have at the very least just held the new genophage he created without deploying it for a while.  See how things were really unfolding before acting. 

[Splinter Cell 108]

Morinth, even Miranda who's been involved with Cerberus for a long time and probably has participated on all kinds of sick operations and experiments seems like nothing compared to Morinth. Morinth feels nothing when she kills her own mother (a choice I did only once to get dominate and then reloaded). She's out of her minds, she knows she's dangerous and still continues to kill all those people.

[Karl45]

Skilled Seeker wrote...

Crowwalker100 wrote...

Zaeed, he was will to let a whole plant full of workers die just for his revenge..

Except killing Vido saves a lot more people in the long run. And this might be the only chance you have to get him.

Not really, someone will just take Vido's place. The boss dieing doesn't end a organization.

[The Angry One]

Svest wrote...

Mordin's real crime was that he didn't even give the krogan a chance.  All he had were simulations suggesting what would likely happen.  Who knows what would have really happened?  He could have at the very least just held the new genophage he created without deploying it for a while.  See how things were really unfolding before acting. 

Every single Krogan is unapologetic about the rebellions, or nuking themselves.
They remind me of those pig dudes from Star Control 2, the ones who killed their own civilisation 24 times through nuclear war and were proud of it. Krogan are just like that, belligerent and stupid.
If Mordin hadn't done what he did the Krogan would be dead right now.

[Skilled Seeker]

Karl45 wrote...

Skilled Seeker wrote...

Crowwalker100 wrote...

Zaeed, he was will to let a whole plant full of workers die just for his revenge..

Except killing Vido saves a lot more people in the long run. And this might be the only chance you have to get him.

Not really, someone will just take Vido's place. The boss dieing doesn't end a organization.

So then why does everyone seem to agree that killing Balak is the 'right' choice in BDTS when he will just be replaced by another batarian terrorist.

[Pauravi]

Markinator_123 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Samara is a murderer who justifies her attacks with a self-imposed and highly hypocritical code (re: attacking Nihlus with no context for what he was doing) and Zaeed is just an evil idiot.

Very good point about Samara

I don't think it is a particularly good point.

Samara's code is not hypocritical, it is simply black-and-white.  It doesn't exist to "do good", because "good" is a highly grey concept.  As Samara states directly, the code exists to protect the innocent and punish the wicked.  Whatever Nihilus was trying to accomplish doesn't matter at all in the context of the code -- the fact is that he attacked and killed an unarmed civilian.  By the code's definition, this makes him a wicked person, and it was Samara's duty to punish him for that.

Think of a police officer.  If he saw someone pull out a gun and start shooting at unarmed people, you had better believe that he would try and shoot him.  It doesn't matter what he may or may not have been trying to do.  Does that make the officer a hypocrite?  Does that make him evil?

Modifié par Pauravi, 25 février 2010 - 11:28 .

[Relinquished2]

Spectre-Commander Gregory House is even more evil than Jack!!!

Modifié par Relinquished2, 25 février 2010 - 11:28 .

[Tooneyman]

Grunt " Good  crew if they stay out of my way, Dead crew if they get in my way.!" enough said!

Modifié par Tooneyman, 25 février 2010 - 11:29 .

[Vagula]

Tooneyman wrote...

Grunt " Good  crew if they stay out of my way, Dead crew if they get in my way.!" enough said!

Grunt just talks big he never does anything bad.

[The Angry One]

Pauravi wrote...

Samara's code is not hypocritical, it is simply black-and-white.  It doesn't exist to "do good", because "good" is a highly grey concept.  As Samara states directly, the code exists to protect the innocent and punish the wicked.  Whatever Nihilus was trying to accomplish doesn't matter at all in the context of the code -- the fact is that he attacked and killed an unarmed civilian.  By the code's definition, this makes him a wicked person, and it was Samara's duty to punish him for that.

Think of a police officer.  If he saw someone pull out a gun and start shooting at unarmed people, you had better believe that he would try and shoot him.  It doesn't matter what he may or may not have been trying to do.  Does that make the officer a hypocrite?  Does that make him evil?

Irrelevant. Samara isn't a police officer. She has no jurisdiction. Hell, the very first scene she appears in she's attacking and throwing around someone like a ragdoll, then snaps her neck.
By her own "code" she is evil and must be punished. And it's not only that. Her code obligates her to massacre a police station for holding her for COMMITING A CRIME? Why? That's utterly sociopathic.