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[Pauravi]

Skilled Seeker wrote...

So then why does everyone seem to agree that killing Balak is the 'right' choice in BDTS when he will just be replaced by another batarian terrorist.

Do they?  I certainly don't.

[babylonfreak]

Who is more evil, the man who kills, or the man who orders the kill?



Zaeed founded the Blue Suns, and I am pretty sure the Blue Suns didn't go all Pirate-Terrorist Army of Doom just because Vido took the organization from him. Zaeed is worse than Thane (or even Morinth) because he is responsible not only for the people he's killed, but for everyone who was ever killed on an operation he led or accepted. His loyalty mission clearly underlines he's not in this line of work to help innocent people.

[Svest]

The Angry One wrote...

Svest wrote...

Mordin's real crime was that he didn't even give the krogan a chance.  All he had were simulations suggesting what would likely happen.  Who knows what would have really happened?  He could have at the very least just held the new genophage he created without deploying it for a while.  See how things were really unfolding before acting. 

Every single Krogan is unapologetic about the rebellions, or nuking themselves.
They remind me of those pig dudes from Star Control 2, the ones who killed their own civilisation 24 times through nuclear war and were proud of it. Krogan are just like that, belligerent and stupid.
If Mordin hadn't done what he did the Krogan would be dead right now.

No they wouldn't be dead, there hasn't been enough time yet.  Any krogan born as a result of him not deploying the new genophage would still be children.  Not to mention the genophage wasn't cured, they were just becoming resistant to it.  It would have taken many generations before the krogans could become a real threat again.  Plenty of time to give them a chance or to step in and deploy the new genophage if the simulations proved correct.

[Karl45]

So then why does everyone seem to agree that killing Balak is the 'right' choice in BDTS when he will just be replaced by another batarian terrorist.

Haven't played the DLC, but it depends on the situation. If your sacrificing a bunch of innocents inorder to take out a leader of a large organization, then I would disagree. If your taking out a leader of a small terrorists group that probably will never resurface, then I could see the logic of sacrificing lives.

Modifié par Karl45, 25 février 2010 - 11:39 .

[ColinMT]

Definitely Zaeed for trying to kill someone for the sole purpose of his own vengence and not having a problem with letting several innocent people die in the process.

[cdzander]

To an Asari, Samara is higher than police. Asari space and colonies are her jurisdiction. The police weren't arresting her for killing that merc, they were arresting her because orders from above wanted her off the station before she killed someone important. And killing that merc? Shepard (and Garrus) kill far more mercs in ME2 than Samara.



She is an Asari Justicar. Stop trying to use human morality on her. Her culture is millenia older than our own.

[Volourn]

Jack. Her pitiful sob story about her childhood doesn't excuse her heinous behaviour. Other good candidates for 'evil' are Zaeed and Morinth. Thane is a decent choice too since his lame excuses about his assinations not being his responsibilities comes across as simply passing the puck for his evil choices. The fact that he doesn't want his son to become an assasin shows me that even Thane news his excuse, in the end, doesn't fly.



But, yeah, jack, Morinth, and Zaeed are the 3 that are of the unredeemable evil type. They enjoy making other suffer.

[Mnemnosyne]

 I'm going to go with Samara.  Anyone with an unyielding code that they refuse to alter in any way for any situation is about as close to 'evil' as I'm willing to use that term to define.
This is especially true when we consider the fact that she's a powerful biotic and could almost certainly incapacitate people without killing them, but will kill them anyway even when they have done nothing truly wrong, such as the officer that is being forced to detain her by her superiors.  If Shepard hadn't gotten the information she needed, she explains that she would have killed her and an unknown number of other law enforcement officers, none of which have done anything wrong, in order to obtain her freedom, when it's pretty clear she could just as easily incapacitate them or escape without even having to fight.
The unflinching absolutism and refusal to consider other possibilities or extenuating circumstances makes such a position evil.  This is a person who will kill you for the tiniest infraction against their code, and who doesn't believe in extenuating circumstances or a better solution.
Even Morinth is in a lot of ways not as evil in my eyes as Samara, because the Knight Templar archetype is often more destructive than any other sort of villain one can think of, in my opinion, while believing themselves right, usually to the very end, despite anything they do.

-Fiat justitia, et pereat mundus. (Let justice be done, though the world perish.)

[Skilled Seeker]

Volourn wrote...

Jack. Her pitiful sob story about her childhood doesn't excuse her heinous behaviour. Other good candidates for 'evil' are Zaeed and Morinth. Thane is a decent choice too since his lame excuses about his assinations not being his responsibilities comes across as simply passing the puck for his evil choices. The fact that he doesn't want his son to become an assasin shows me that even Thane news his excuse, in the end, doesn't fly.

But, yeah, jack, Morinth, and Zaeed are the 3 that are of the unredeemable evil type. They enjoy making other suffer.

Zaeed doesn't enjoy making people suffer (unless they cross him). He just doesn't care about collateral damage.

[Wompoo]

The cook was one of the most evil in ME2, anyone that would prepare squid that way should be outlawed from ever handling a fry pan. Other then him, anyone who played renegade has a fairly dubious moral code in my book. Jack? well Jack is a product of very very heavy conditioning (a level of abuse most real/normal people would never recover from). Most evil?, the clear winner is Cerberus, unless your bent and like white peaked hoods, I wouldn't put humanity in charge of a urinal.

[_000Darkstar]

Volourn wrote...

Jack. Her pitiful sob story about her childhood doesn't excuse her heinous behaviour. Other good candidates for 'evil' are Zaeed and Morinth. Thane is a decent choice too since his lame excuses about his assinations not being his responsibilities comes across as simply passing the puck for his evil choices. The fact that he doesn't want his son to become an assasin shows me that even Thane news his excuse, in the end, doesn't fly.

But, yeah, jack, Morinth, and Zaeed are the 3 that are of the unredeemable evil type. They enjoy making other suffer.

I'm going to disagree with you with Jack. She's not TRULY evil,  (In D&D alignment terms I'd put her under Chaotic Neutral.), as there was never a scene or discussion where she "made someone suffer" as you say. Sure, she's killed people, but so have you. The rush and enjoyment she says that she gets out of it probably has more to do with her conditioning as a child as well as how she puts it, "For every person that's killed there's a better chance I stay alive. 

She's also very much redeemable. In fact, if you paragon romance her, she shows a genuine desire to become "normal" and is well on the road.

Anyway, simply put, she's not unredeemably evil.

[Urazz]

_000Darkstar wrote...

Volourn wrote...

Jack. Her pitiful sob story about her childhood doesn't excuse her heinous behaviour. Other good candidates for 'evil' are Zaeed and Morinth. Thane is a decent choice too since his lame excuses about his assinations not being his responsibilities comes across as simply passing the puck for his evil choices. The fact that he doesn't want his son to become an assasin shows me that even Thane news his excuse, in the end, doesn't fly.

But, yeah, jack, Morinth, and Zaeed are the 3 that are of the unredeemable evil type. They enjoy making other suffer.

I'm going to disagree with you with Jack. She's not TRULY evil,  (In D&D alignment terms I'd put her under Chaotic Neutral.), as there was never a scene or discussion where she "made someone suffer" as you say. Sure, she's killed people, but so have you. The rush and enjoyment she says that she gets out of it probably has more to do with her conditioning as a child as well as how she puts it, "For every person that's killed there's a better chance I stay alive. 

She's also very much redeemable. In fact, if you paragon romance her, she shows a genuine desire to become "normal" and is well on the road.

Anyway, simply put, she's not unredeemably evil.

Actually, I'd list her as chaotic evil when you meet her until her loyalty mission.  After that she becomes more chaotic neutral and then she starts down the path of redeeming herself if you paragon romance her.

Morinth and to a lesser extent, Zaeed are the more evil characters.

You actually feel a bit of pity for Morinth but she shows no sign of wanting to stop killing people with snu-snu.

Zaeed seems more apathetic to other people dying and the like and is quite selfish.  But considering the life he lives and the people he deals with in his line of work, it doesn't suprise me that he is like that.

Modifié par Urazz, 26 février 2010 - 12:19 .

[Prophet of Rage]

I agree completely with Jack being Chaotic Neutral. All I saw her do was act aggressively and kill a bunch of that jerk warden's men. After that she just does whatever Shep tells her to do.



Samara - Lawful Neutral (FOLLOW THE CODE)

Zaeed - Chaotic Neutral (GET PAID, DO WHATEVER)



lmao @ d&d alignments

[flem1]

Besides Morinth, well... it depends if you think Wilson was a patsy.

[BobbyTheI]

I'd put Morinth above Jack just for the fact that Morinth actively seeks out innocent people in order to feed her own homicidal urges.  Jack has probably killed a lot more people, but I'd be willing to bet almost all of them were people trying to kill her.  She doesn't seem like the type to kill innocent people just for kicks; more the type who likes doing whatever the hell she wants, and if somebody gets in her way, too bad for them.

And also, Jack shows signs of wanting to change and redeem herself, on her loyalty mission and if you romance her as a Paragon.  Morinth not only kills without regret, she's even perfectly happy to kill the guy/girl who took her side against her mother, just for fun.

So, yeah, I'd say Morinth.

[Seneva]

I'm curious why people see Grunt as evil.

[The Mythical Magician]

Fact: Morinth.

Jack ain't really a bad character (Unless you're playing Renegade I guess) deep down she is basically a misunderstood teenager.

Modifié par The Mythical Magician, 26 février 2010 - 09:27 .

[tonnactus]

Morinth has a genetic disorder that force her to kill...
Thane killed for money.Subject Zero did it for fun.A clear winner doesnt exist.

[tonnactus]

Pauravi wrote...
So were her sisters, but they faced up to the fact that it was impossible for them to lead a normal life no matter how much they would have wanted to.

A disease could have different degrees on different people.Some ardat-yakshi didnt kill their partners,but left them paralyzed.Just a example.So morinth could just be more addicted for melding then her sisters.
And the result ends in a death.

Modifié par tonnactus, 26 février 2010 - 09:38 .

[Andysilv]

Surely it has to be Morinth?

[FlintlockJazz]

Thing I noticed about Jack: The people she claims are trying to kill her ARE trying to kill her. Case in point, the Eclipse merc who tries to claim she never fired her gun when recruiting Samara, if you have Jack in your squad then she will tell you that the merc is lying, and that she can tell because she can 'smell it' or something.  When Jack says she can tell when people are trying to kill her she is actually being serious: she has some sort of biotic 'Spidey-Sense' that alerts her to bad intentions coming from others!

Modifié par FlintlockJazz, 26 février 2010 - 09:40 .

[Sleepicub09]

 morinth

[tonnactus]

andysilv87 wrote...

Surely it has to be Morinth?

No.Genetic disorder that also prevent the development of empathy.(Source:codex)

[MSeven]

Garrus...



why?... in ME1 he already whined about being held back by C-Sec and the law. Now in ME2 he just goes "screw it" and starts killing people on Omega he deems unworthy to live.



Pure Evil.....