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[AntiChri5]

tonnactus wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...

Morinth escaping was okay but she was not forced to spend the next 400 years hunting and killing innocent people for pleasure.

She was hunted.(until shepardt let her win against samara)
She could be dead next the day she awake.So she just take the pleasure she could get without regretting it.
She never got a chance to become a another person.

Taking what pleasure comes her way is understandable.

Untill that pleasure is dependant on other peoples suffering.She did not HAVE to kill repeatedly, she could have proved to those hunting her that it was unnecesary and restrained herself. She could have proven to the whole universe that an Ardat Yakshi could be free without becomming a monster. What did she do? Left a trail of empty corpses and destroyed lives leading right back to her.

[tonnactus]

AntiChri5 wrote...



Untill that pleasure is dependant on other peoples suffering.She did not HAVE to kill repeatedly,

She has also to improve her chances to win against her mother that hunted her.She not always match her in her biotics.Only her melting let her became so strong so fast that the fight with her mother was even until sheaprdt decided who should win.

Modifié par tonnactus, 26 février 2010 - 12:53 .

[FlintlockJazz]

tonnactus wrote...

FlintlockJazz wrote...

tonnactus wrote...

BobbyTheI wrote...


A debatable notion, to be sure, but I think it's very true.  Maybe it's not her fault for being born that way, but in the end, she basically was born evil.

How could we know that?What choices ardat-yaksi have?Isolation or dead i wouldnt call exactly a choice
Asari could use their abilites in secret service,like the hanar do with the drell.
Does the asari society really have no other solutions that this 2?
It seems dull.

Morinth is the same as Rose West, Geoffrey Dahmer, and other serial killers, in fact that is what she is based on.  Sociopaths are uncurable, and allowing them to roam will only bring suffering to everyone else while they gain power at the expense of everything else.  As Samara says, Morinth is a tragic figure but not a sympathetic one, and she is right: she lies, manipulates and kills for her own self-gratification, nothing she says is the truth unless it gets what she wants, and what she wants is all that Morinth cares about.

I repeat again. Did she ever had a chance to become a another person? No.I understand that she ran away.And because she was hunted she just enjoy every moment of her life because she could be dead just a few moments later.Where was no time for the development of regretting and empathy.

Neither did Rose West or Geoffrey Dahmer, they were born that way.  And she did have a choice, she could have chosen not to kill people.  You can repeat all you like, you're not providing anything to dissuade me of this opinion, and resent having your opinion forced on me.  Oh, and there was no time for regret or empathy?  Then she shouldn't have murdered people then.

Modifié par FlintlockJazz, 26 février 2010 - 12:53 .

[AntiChri5]

tonnactus wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...



Untill that pleasure is dependant on other peoples suffering.She did not HAVE to kill repeatedly,

She has also to improve her chances to win against her mother that hunted her.She not always match her in her biotics.Only her melding let her became so strong so fst that the fight with her mother was even.

And she was only found because of the trail of bodies she left. If she had abstained and kept from killing then then after four hundred years if Samara finds her Morinth can point at her track record and say "i am not evil". I think Samara would let her live. Hell probably recruit her to become a Justicar.

[tonnactus]

FlintlockJazz wrote...
 And she did have a choice, she could have chosen not to kill people. 

She was hunted by her mother when she escaped.The melting let her become stronger and only this way she had a chance to defeat her mother in a fight.
And no,asari law and justicars codex are that flexible.Like samara said,only black and white exists.

Modifié par tonnactus, 26 février 2010 - 01:05 .

[FlintlockJazz]

tonnactus wrote...

FlintlockJazz wrote...

It's not judgemental, it's simple fact.  If you want to talk about being put in someone else's shoes, put yourself in Nef's shoes, she barely even got a life thanks to Morinth. 

The nef story was purely crap anyways.Nef isnt the victim morinth look for.Just remember what shepardt did to gain her attention.

It was pure crap why?  Because it doesn't fit in with how you want to view her?  I'm sorry to say this but Nef was the perfect victim for Morinth: she was an artist with a passionate streak and (having grown up on Omega) seen death and misery.  Shepard had to do those things to quickly gain her attention, Nef had to see her several times to get invited back.  And she was not the only victim, there were plenty of others, next you'll be claiming she only kills 'bad people'. <_<

[tonnactus]

AntiChri5 wrote...


And she was only found because of the trail of bodies she left.

So tell me.What victims she killed on illium.No,its wrong.
She would be found even without a trail of bodies.
Ardat-yakshi,if they killed people or not,have only two "choices".Dead or isolation.If they refuse,justicars hunt and kill them.

[FlintlockJazz]

tonnactus wrote...

FlintlockJazz wrote...
 And she did have a choice, she could have chosen not to kill people. 

She was hunted by her mother when she escaped.The melting let her become stronger and only this way she had a chance to defeat her mother in a fight.

Okay, I've had enough of you, you're taking just one line out of my posts and attacking that, what about all the other points I made?  Oh, that's right, they prove you wrong, feck off troll.

Modifié par FlintlockJazz, 26 février 2010 - 01:01 .

[tonnactus]

FlintlockJazz wrote...

It was pure crap why?  Because it doesn't fit in with how you want to view her?  I'm sorry to say this but Nef was the perfect victim for Morinth: she was an artist with a passionate streak and (having grown up on Omega) seen death and misery.  Shepard had to do those things to quickly gain her attention, Nef had to see her several times to get invited back.  And she was not the only victim, there were plenty of others, next you'll be claiming she only kills 'bad people'. <_<

No.I wouldnt clame that,because helping the asari dancer and beat the crap out of the turian wasnt a bad action.But nothing i would expect from a shy person like nef.

[tonnactus]

FlintlockJazz wrote...


Okay, I've had enough of you, you're taking just one line out of my posts and attacking that, what about all the other points I made?  Oh, that's right, they prove you wrong, feck off troll.

Think what you want and refuse to discuss
I dont care.
.Your human serial killers doesnt have to choose between dead or isolation.Your examples doesnt fit.

[Urazz]

AntiChri5 wrote...

tonnactus wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...

Morinth escaping was okay but she was not forced to spend the next 400 years hunting and killing innocent people for pleasure.

She was hunted.(until shepardt let her win against samara)
She could be dead next the day she awake.So she just take the pleasure she could get without regretting it.
She never got a chance to become a another person.

Taking what pleasure comes her way is understandable.

Untill that pleasure is dependant on other peoples suffering.She did not HAVE to kill repeatedly, she could have proved to those hunting her that it was unnecesary and restrained herself. She could have proven to the whole universe that an Ardat Yakshi could be free without becomming a monster. What did she do? Left a trail of empty corpses and destroyed lives leading right back to her.

Exactly, when she decided to kill with snu-snu for pleasure that is when she lost any chance for redemption I think.

[MutantSpleen]

tonnactus wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...

Morinth escaping was okay but she was not forced to spend the next 400 years hunting and killing innocent people for pleasure.

She was hunted.(until shepardt let her win against samara)
She could be dead next the day she awake.So she just take the pleasure she could get without regretting it.
She never got a chance to become a another person.

Exactly, honestly if that hand was dealt to me, and my deranged mother was going to execute me when she found me I don't know how much I would give a damn about anyone else either. 

Not saying she shouldn't face consequences for her actions but I see where she is coming from.

Modifié par MutantSpleen, 26 février 2010 - 01:04 .

[MutantSpleen]

Urazz wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...

tonnactus wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...

Morinth escaping was okay but she was not forced to spend the next 400 years hunting and killing innocent people for pleasure.

She was hunted.(until shepardt let her win against samara)
She could be dead next the day she awake.So she just take the pleasure she could get without regretting it.
She never got a chance to become a another person.

Taking what pleasure comes her way is understandable.

Untill that pleasure is dependant on other peoples suffering.She did not HAVE to kill repeatedly, she could have proved to those hunting her that it was unnecesary and restrained herself. She could have proven to the whole universe that an Ardat Yakshi could be free without becomming a monster. What did she do? Left a trail of empty corpses and destroyed lives leading right back to her.

Exactly, when she decided to kill with snu-snu for pleasure that is when she lost any chance for redemption I think.

You think Samara would have shown her mercy, that is laughable, her code would allow no mercy.

[tonnactus]

[quote]MutantSpleen wrote...

[quote]tonnactus wrote...

[quote]AntiChri5 wrote...

Morint

Exactly, honestly if that hand was dealt to me, and my deranged mother was going to execute me when she found me I don't know how much I would give a damn about anyone else either. 

Not saying she shouldn't face consequences for her actions but I see where she is coming from.

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Bioware really overestimate the imagination of the majority of the players.Most people doesnt understand  and even complain about having the choice.

[AntiChri5]

tonnactus wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...


And she was only found because of the trail of bodies she left.

So tell me.What victims she killed on illium.No,its wrong.
She would be found even without a trail of bodies.
Ardat-yakshi,if they killed people or not,have only two "choices".Dead or isolation.If they refuse,justicars hunt and kill them.

How did you find her? Because of Nef. If she hadnt killed Nef Samara wouldnt have been able to find her hunting ground OR found out how to make Shep irresistable to her.

[tonnactus]

MutantSpleen wrote...

You think Samara would have shown her mercy, that is laughable, her code would allow no mercy.

Yes.Samara her self said her codex only know black and white.It doesnt even matter if the codex have the source in some religion,but she is clearly a fanatic if she could follow it and have a calm sleep.

[AntiChri5]

[quote]tonnactus wrote...

[quote]MutantSpleen wrote...

[quote]tonnactus wrote...

[quote]AntiChri5 wrote...

Morint

Exactly, honestly if that hand was dealt to me, and my deranged mother was going to execute me when she found me I don't know how much I would give a damn about anyone else either. 

Not saying she shouldn't face consequences for her actions but I see where she is coming from.

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Bioware really overestimate the imagination of the majority of the players.Most people doesnt understand  and even complain about having the choice.

[/quote]

You messed up the quotes. I didnt say that.

[AntiChri5]

MutantSpleen wrote...

Urazz wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...

tonnactus wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...

Morinth escaping was okay but she was not forced to spend the next 400 years hunting and killing innocent people for pleasure.

She was hunted.(until shepardt let her win against samara)
She could be dead next the day she awake.So she just take the pleasure she could get without regretting it.
She never got a chance to become a another person.

Taking what pleasure comes her way is understandable.

Untill that pleasure is dependant on other peoples suffering.She did not HAVE to kill repeatedly, she could have proved to those hunting her that it was unnecesary and restrained herself. She could have proven to the whole universe that an Ardat Yakshi could be free without becomming a monster. What did she do? Left a trail of empty corpses and destroyed lives leading right back to her.

Exactly, when she decided to kill with snu-snu for pleasure that is when she lost any chance for redemption I think.

You think Samara would have shown her mercy, that is laughable, her code would allow no mercy.

To the wicked. We do not know what her code says about an Ardat Yakshi who refuses to kill. Because there has never been one.

[tonnactus]

AntiChri5 wrote...



How did you find her? Because of Nef.

No.
Shepardt killed the eclipse mercs to find the data that Morinth escaped to omega.
How samara found out that morinth was on illium?What people killed she in this place.

[tonnactus]

AntiChri5 wrote...


To the wicked. We do not know what her code says about an Ardat Yakshi who refuses to kill. Because there has never been one.

Wrong again.Some ardat-yakshi dont kill when they meld.The victims are "only" paralyzed.(codex)

[AntiChri5]

tonnactus wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...



How did you find her? Because of Nef.

No.
Shepardt killed the eclipse mercs to find the data that Morinth escaped to omega.
How samara found out that morinth was on illium?What people killed she in this place.

I did not say you found out she was on ilium or omega because of Nef, but Omega is a really big place, you would not have found her there if not for Nef. On ilium you only find out the name of the ship she left on, not its location, sometime later Samara finds out she is on Omega but it is never confirmed how. And i have no doubt she killed on Ilium, just because we arent told it doesnt mean it didnt happen. Look at how little time passes between killing Nef and going back to Omega for someone else (who turns out to be Shep).

[yummysoap]

tonnactus wrote...
I'm tonnactus and I like Morinth!

You again?! I'm sick of your Morinth coddling! She's just a poor misunderstood hunted serial killer who gets wet at the idea of murder. AWwww poor widdle Mowinth.

[AntiChri5]

tonnactus wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...


To the wicked. We do not know what her code says about an Ardat Yakshi who refuses to kill. Because there has never been one.

Wrong again.Some ardat-yakshi dont kill when they meld.The victims are "only" paralyzed.(codex)

Right it isnt always fatal. That was wrong but i dont get where the again comes from.

[ThatDancingTurian]

Morinth, obviously. That was the whole point of her character, to be the 'bad one'. Which is why I never took her, because stereotypically evil isn't an interesting personality trait.

Aside from her, I'd say they're all about even. BioWare was really playing up the 'dark, morally ambiguous' thing. If I had to choose I'd say Legion, simply because by nature, he has no conscience or feelings. He's just a bunch of computers constantly calculating, and you never know when those numbers are going to turn against you...

[tonnactus]

yummysoap wrote...

tonnactus wrote...
I'm tonnactus and I like Morinth!

You again?! I'm sick of your Morinth coddling! She's just a poor misunderstood hunted serial killer who gets wet at the idea of murder. AWwww poor widdle Mowinth.

I am yummysoap and dont like that people have different opinions.Samara was wrong.Human dont like to be individuals.