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[tonnactus]

AntiChri5 wrote...


I did not say you found out she was on ilium or omega because of Nef, but Omega is a really big place, you would not have found her there if not for Nef.

Are you serious?You could only find people if they killed someone??It makes it easier,but it isnt necessary.

Modifié par tonnactus, 26 février 2010 - 01:33 .

[yummysoap]

tonnactus wrote...

yummysoap wrote...

tonnactus wrote...
I'm tonnactus and I like Morinth!

You again?! I'm sick of your Morinth coddling! She's just a poor misunderstood hunted serial killer who gets wet at the idea of murder. AWwww poor widdle Mowinth.

I am yummysoap and dont like that people have different opinions.Samara was wrong.Human dont like to be individuals.

Hey, I love opinions! I just feel the need to step up and voice my opinion when you start praising a serial killer as being morally just. It kind of worries me that this compulsion you have may spread into reality and not just sexy blue alien fiction.

Oh guys! It's okay! Her victim is only paralyzed! SHE'S NOT BAD AFTER ALL!

But I love you tonnactus! May you live to defend Morinth another day.

Modifié par yummysoap, 26 février 2010 - 01:35 .

[MutantSpleen]

I don't think Morinth is morally justified, but I can empathize with her situation. I wonder how many would do the exact same thing if forced into her shoes. The thing I find amusing is the people who crucify Morinth but think Jack is to be pitied. Jack still chooses to kill as well, not like she swore off it, she still gets off on it too.

[tonnactus]

MutantSpleen wrote...

I don't think Morinth is morally justified, but I can empathize with her situation.

Exactly.Like with jack.

I wonder how many would do the exact same thing if forced into her shoes .

I bet near 100 percent would do the same thing.
Morinth wasnt always as strong as her mother.
Not with just 40 years.
Melting also improved her chances to defeat her mother some day.If your next day could be your last you wouldnt care about others much.

[cronshaw8]

Morinth was given an out when she was an adult. It wasn't death or run. It was a life of comfort and seclusion or run so that i can keep lying and murdering. Jack was tortured as a child and never asked what she wanted. The narrative of ME2 clearly shows that Jack is redeemable, and Morinth is not. Morinth is unequivocally more evil than anyone else on the team.

[tonnactus]

cronshaw8 wrote...
 It was a life of comfort and seclusion

That was such a great life that miranda decided to escape.
And she have luxery,not just comfort.But dont have friends.

[ThatDancingTurian]

cronshaw8 wrote...

Morinth was given an out when she was an adult. It wasn't death or run. It was a life of comfort and seclusion or run so that i can keep lying and murdering. Jack was tortured as a child and never asked what she wanted. The narrative of ME2 clearly shows that Jack is redeemable, and Morinth is not. Morinth is unequivocally more evil than anyone else on the team.

And as far as I know, Jack hasn't gone looking for schoolbuses to blow up. Morinth seeks out the innocent and the vulnerable with purpose, whereas Jack simply instigates fights with the willing and armed. I'm not imagining there were no casualties; Jack's a ticking time bomb. But she only explodes when provoked and cornered. Jack is no more evil than Grunt, just far more emotionally unstable.

[AntiChri5]

tonnactus wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...


I did not say you found out she was on ilium or omega because of Nef, but Omega is a really big place, you would not have found her there if not for Nef.

Are you serious?You could only find people if they killed someone??It makes it easier,but it isnt necessary.

I did not say you could ONLY find someone that way. Besides that is how the vast majority of serial killers and sociopaths are found. They just can't stop. Now do you feel like actually adressing what my post said or will you just throw up another smokescreen to defend someone who would love to hunt you down and kill you?

[FlintlockJazz]

MutantSpleen wrote...

I wonder how many would do the exact same thing if forced into her shoes.

Depends, if you were to give them the choice now with them as they are they would probably choose isolation, as we are not cold-blooded killers and would go insane from killing people.  If they were born like Morinth lacking a conscience and empathy then yeah they would.  That is why Morinth is a tragic figure, and why she needs to die.

[MutantSpleen]

It's a cage, if a gilded cage. Pretty. But confining.

[cronshaw8]

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

cronshaw8 wrote...

Morinth was given an out when she was an adult. It wasn't death or run. It was a life of comfort and seclusion or run so that i can keep lying and murdering. Jack was tortured as a child and never asked what she wanted. The narrative of ME2 clearly shows that Jack is redeemable, and Morinth is not. Morinth is unequivocally more evil than anyone else on the team.

And as far as I know, Jack hasn't gone looking for schoolbuses to blow up. Morinth seeks out the innocent and the vulnerable with purpose, whereas Jack simply instigates fights with the willing and armed. I'm not imagining there were no casualties; Jack's a ticking time bomb. But she only explodes when provoked and cornered. Jack is no more evil than Grunt, just far more emotionally unstable.

Yes we agree. There are really only two options here Jack or Morinth. And the argument is so one-sided in favor of morinth being the most evil that the only possible reason anyone could choose jack as the most evil is: A. They have a thing for Morinth or B. they hate tattos (and Jack)

[MutantSpleen]

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

cronshaw8 wrote...

Morinth was given an out when she was an adult. It wasn't death or run. It was a life of comfort and seclusion or run so that i can keep lying and murdering. Jack was tortured as a child and never asked what she wanted. The narrative of ME2 clearly shows that Jack is redeemable, and Morinth is not. Morinth is unequivocally more evil than anyone else on the team.

And as far as I know, Jack hasn't gone looking for schoolbuses to blow up. Morinth seeks out the innocent and the vulnerable with purpose, whereas Jack simply instigates fights with the willing and armed. I'm not imagining there were no casualties; Jack's a ticking time bomb. But she only explodes when provoked and cornered. Jack is no more evil than Grunt, just far more emotionally unstable.

Listen to Jack's stories, she goes looking for trouble. She seeks to fill her antisocial needs with violence and destruction, on a large scale in many cases.  Basically, shes a typical krogan. haha

[Apophis2412]

Tali

[FlintlockJazz]

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

cronshaw8 wrote...

Morinth was given an out when she was an adult. It wasn't death or run. It was a life of comfort and seclusion or run so that i can keep lying and murdering. Jack was tortured as a child and never asked what she wanted. The narrative of ME2 clearly shows that Jack is redeemable, and Morinth is not. Morinth is unequivocally more evil than anyone else on the team.

And as far as I know, Jack hasn't gone looking for schoolbuses to blow up. Morinth seeks out the innocent and the vulnerable with purpose, whereas Jack simply instigates fights with the willing and armed. I'm not imagining there were no casualties; Jack's a ticking time bomb. But she only explodes when provoked and cornered. Jack is no more evil than Grunt, just far more emotionally unstable.

One thing about Jack that I think alot of people don't pick up on is that when she says she kills people because 'they were planning on doing it to her', she is actually being serious: she can sense (biotically) when someone is out to get her.  I myself only realised this when during Samara's recruitment mission (ironically enough considering what we are talking about), the part with the eclipse merc who killed the volus who claims she is innocent Jack actually claims that she senses that the merc is lying and then later on when you find the evidence proving she did it Jack pretty much says "Told ya so".  This reminded me of the situation she tells you about when she kills those two people she worked with because she 'knew' they were going to betray her.  Jack has 'Spidey-Sense'!

[MutantSpleen]

Interesting. My Shepard needs that, then again it would go off all the time, might get annoying.

[MutantSpleen]

Apophis2412 wrote...

Tali

Yes I can't believe I overlooked her. Tali is pure evil. Only Tali can incite a horde of Talimancers to wreak destruction on all who oppose her.

[tonnactus]

Subject Zero was a pirate and let a space station crushed into a moon.Only self defense?Why she was in the purgatory?

[AntiChri5]

MutantSpleen wrote...

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

cronshaw8 wrote...

Morinth was given an out when she was an adult. It wasn't death or run. It was a life of comfort and seclusion or run so that i can keep lying and murdering. Jack was tortured as a child and never asked what she wanted. The narrative of ME2 clearly shows that Jack is redeemable, and Morinth is not. Morinth is unequivocally more evil than anyone else on the team.

And as far as I know, Jack hasn't gone looking for schoolbuses to blow up. Morinth seeks out the innocent and the vulnerable with purpose, whereas Jack simply instigates fights with the willing and armed. I'm not imagining there were no casualties; Jack's a ticking time bomb. But she only explodes when provoked and cornered. Jack is no more evil than Grunt, just far more emotionally unstable.

Listen to Jack's stories, she goes looking for trouble. She seeks to fill her antisocial needs with violence and destruction, on a large scale in many cases.  Basically, shes a typical krogan. haha

One of her stories mentions how she had MORE trouble because she spared innocents.

[AntiChri5]

tonnactus wrote...

Subject Zero was a pirate and let a space station crushed into a moon.Only self defense?Why she was in the purgatory?

Because Cerberus put a bounty on her.

[Haasth]

Morinth, easily. The only party member I think that can be classified as 'evil'. Jack is just mad and idiotic and comes in as a good second, Grunt is just very violent.. and ehh, I don't think anyone else falls into the 'bad guy' picture for me.

Modifié par Haasth, 26 février 2010 - 02:13 .

[cronshaw8]

MutantSpleen wrote...

Apophis2412 wrote...

Tali

Yes I can't believe I overlooked her. Tali is pure evil. Only Tali can incite a horde of Talimancers to wreak destruction on all who oppose her.

She also covers her entire face, and everyone knows face-covering helmets are a sign of pure evil.

[MutantSpleen]

FlintlockJazz wrote...

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

cronshaw8 wrote...

Morinth was given an out when she was an adult. It wasn't death or run. It was a life of comfort and seclusion or run so that i can keep lying and murdering. Jack was tortured as a child and never asked what she wanted. The narrative of ME2 clearly shows that Jack is redeemable, and Morinth is not. Morinth is unequivocally more evil than anyone else on the team.

And as far as I know, Jack hasn't gone looking for schoolbuses to blow up. Morinth seeks out the innocent and the vulnerable with purpose, whereas Jack simply instigates fights with the willing and armed. I'm not imagining there were no casualties; Jack's a ticking time bomb. But she only explodes when provoked and cornered. Jack is no more evil than Grunt, just far more emotionally unstable.

One thing about Jack that I think alot of people don't pick up on is that when she says she kills people because 'they were planning on doing it to her', she is actually being serious: she can sense (biotically) when someone is out to get her.  I myself only realised this when during Samara's recruitment mission (ironically enough considering what we are talking about), the part with the eclipse merc who killed the volus who claims she is innocent Jack actually claims that she senses that the merc is lying and then later on when you find the evidence proving she did it Jack pretty much says "Told ya so".  This reminded me of the situation she tells you about when she kills those two people she worked with because she 'knew' they were going to betray her.  Jack has 'Spidey-Sense'!

Although in some places they label that as paranoid schizophrenia.  Just sayin.

[ThatDancingTurian]

MutantSpleen wrote...

Listen to Jack's stories, she goes looking for trouble. She seeks to fill her antisocial needs with violence and destruction, on a large scale in many cases.  Basically, shes a typical krogan. haha

Basically. A good krogan seeks out a worthy enemy, a bad krogan looks for an easy kill. Jack looks for trouble, but she doesn't go slaughtering people. She has been conditioned to fight like a second nature. That's not 'evil' because there's no intent there. She's just chaos seeking chaos.

The difference between her and a krogan is that violence is in a krogan's blood, they'll never get past it. Jack is just severely damaged. She has it in her to be able to heal, it's just a long road and nobody before Shepard has shown her that it's worth the effort.

@FlintlockJazz: Huh, that's pretty cool. I must've not had her with me for that part. But you have to admit a lot of these people are probably 'planning on doing it to her' because she kept pushing their buttons. It's like she has some need to prove people can't be trusted, to justify her problems.

Modifié par Aris Ravenstar, 26 février 2010 - 02:18 .

[tonnactus]

AntiChri5 wrote...

tonnactus wrote...

Subject Zero was a pirate and let a space station crushed into a moon.Only self defense?Why she was in the purgatory?

Because Cerberus put a bounty on her.

What pirates do?Ask the crew of other ships gently for money and cargo?

[SnakieHelah]

DomerPyle wrote...

miranda. evil **** is evil.

She is not evil you idiot. Not even close to evil, a bit paragornish i should say.